Is there any cosmic body more terrifying and awe inspiring than a black hole?

>I hope you know that black holes are made up by the Jews to instill fear of the cosmos
This is one of the most retarded things I've read on Jow Forums today. Even in kike science fiction stories, black holes are often portrayed as useful and can act as end-of-the-universe power plants for electronic civilizations.

They aren't what the high priests of Science would tell you though, there's much more to them than just extreme density.

It still freaks me out to think of the supermassive bastard that holds the Milky Way together, just picking stars out of its halo like you or might pick your teeth.

Thats Barnard 68, a molecular gas cloud, not the Bootes void. Bootes is much much bigger than that, which is perhaps even more terrifying...

Were in a black hole. This experience of strain ans suffering is the stretching and ripping process.

The fact that we can't actually see anything but the gravitational lensing around them

We can't see anything in space anyway because it's all so far away we can only observe it as it existed in the past. We really have no idea what's actually out there.

Sure, whatever lies outside of the universe's boundaries.

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>Bootes void
Looked this up and it 'only' contains about 60 galaxies. Relatively barren in terms of the universe. But then each of those galaxies contain millions+ stars and planets. The fucking scale of it all is just impossible to grasp from a human perspective, that's what always gets me.

Our galaxy is in the biggest known void

What's more viscerally frightening to me are gas giants.

Imagine just falling into one. You wouldn't even get crushed by the pressure like sinking in water, you would end up at a neutral buoyancy, in a strata deep enough that light will never reach. I imagine some nondescript space-future where criminals are kept alive by cybernetics and cast into the abyss to suffer for eternity.

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>We really have no idea what's actually out there.
Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit.

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>tfw no sci-fi kino that starts about space pirates in a realistic setting and evolves into cosmic horror

seriously , siis

It isn't space pirates, but it's the best you're going to get.

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joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html

Really cool simulation that shows just how far apart shit is... ^^^

The age of information is about to include a computed science of information origins where basically a laser fed into a black hole will dilate everything connected to the laser from the materials itself to the manufacturers. Think, the light came from Earth and the relation is relative enough that the information itself cascades at light speed until reaching the point of no return. Orbiting planets and the like (and probably our own Sun) will come with and establishing safe systems will be tricky. It will be a matter of consuming the black hole before we get to our destination, and a little bit of keeping the information stable in the first place. So think, how can we maintain that Jupiter and the moon will regulate our asteroids for the better while we cascade through space at 1/4 light speed??

you know we dont see shit like that through visual telescopes right? Its all electromagnet, radio wave and pulse shit.

^^^ This. The IR and Xray spectrums break through all the stellar dust and shit that gets in the way, making it much easier to see what's there. Visible light just doesn't cut it

user's going to feel stupid once the Event Horizon Telescope finishes compiling the first real image of a Black Hole.

If it exists and can be seen with the naked eye, a Naked Singularity would be pretty horrifying. It would mean something is strikingly off about reality and that there is something else to our universe besides just causes and effects.

Supernovae emitting gamma-ray bursts > Black holes
It's just a disintegration ray aimed randomly into space

>infinite density
Anything that is infinite is terrifying.

Came here to say this. At least black holes keep to themselves.

Do you faggots have an RSS feed of any thread with keywords (space, celestial bodies, earth) so you can post this shit every time?

Maybe they're glowing niggers but why would a glowie care about this?

Wouldn't be more beneficial to them to convince people that space isn't real so no one is interested?

Gamma Ray bursts are the niggers of space

Is it true black holes have no volume? from what I understand black holes are not quite celestial bodies, they're like point sized places where laws of physics and shit start breaking down so they're more a 'glitch' of reality than cosmic bodies. Though their effects are felt from as far away as their mass should dictate.

I don't recall where I read this. Sorry if I'm wrong.

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No, you're right. The "black hole" you see in artistic depictions is just light not being able to escape the event horizon.

they could still have volume though, it's about density.
I wonder if they're completely smooth.

How could they have infinite density if they have volume?

do they have infinite density?

That's what I've always heard. It's how the gravitational pull is intense enough to trap protons.

I find the idea of black holes oddly comforting. Rather than a big bang being a single isolated random occurrence it sort of gives me a bit of hope that maybe they're part of making that happen as a common thing that just expands the universe so it's cyclical and growing. Otherwise it's just like a bunch of particles decaying into background radiation dispersing in some nonsense fashion because I just can't picture the universe not having some form of particles or something in it. Like the edge of the universe would have to be where the particles end and it's rather terrifying to imagine nothing outside that area, like it just doesn't exist. That makes my head hurt to think about.

An endless void of zero particles at absolute zero.

Yes, black holes totally fuck our understanding of physics. You would need some kind of FTL research method to get any hard data from them, so anything we claim to know about black holes is just educated guesses and crazy sci-fi shit like them being wormholes or gateways to other dimensions/alternate realities.

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You mean photons? Man I wish I wasnt such a brainlet. Just thinking about this is super interesting. Photons have no mass supposedly, yet they're trapped by black holes pull, but not because the photons themselves are being pulled in but because space time is what's being pulled in.

The timeline of universe talks about that, only God knows what actually happens at timescales stretching to infinity that we can't even begin to comprehend, plus the void is not as void as physicists used to think

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How can you have temperature where particles don't exist? There is no matter. I can't conceptualize the image. I guess it'd have to be absolute zero since it'd slow down anything from spreading, then it'd be like a wall, something would form there with the particles mucking up against it as they slow down. Nothing makes no sense there, it's I'm not even going to think about it anymore it's nonsense and it feels worse than a hang over to try to picture in my head.

>You mean photons?
Yes. Fuck I'm stupid.

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>plus the void is not as void as physicists used to think
I know. Back when I was a lot more ignorant I just accepted a void as fact. I thought space was a void. Except now it's like you got an ocean it's a molecules of water. You got an atmosphere, it's just like water except a different state of matter in a gas form, when you get past that you have dark matter which is just decaying particles another form of matter, and different states of matter spattered through out it. A void just makes no sense.

Okay I've thought about this at length before and it fucking hurts my head but the best explination I can figure is that something like black holes distort particles and sort of makes things wrap back around on itself, and outside that area is just filled with anti-matter. Anti-matter like a parallel universe or something. I don't know but this is the only explanation I can come up with to get the idea out of my head.

There is no such thing as the edge of the universe or the center of the universe. The best way to think about the shape of our universe and the way it grows is to imagine a beach ball that just keeps getting bigger. Imagine that ants crawling around on the ball represent galaxies. From each ant's perspective, they are at the center of the universe and they could never possibly find the "end" of the universe because it's not a 2D plane (and also because it's expanding faster than the speed of light). When the distance between the ants gets longer it is because the of the ball's perpetual growth. Eventually it will get so big no ants will even be able to see each other anymore. If an ant was able to crawl fast enough in a straight line it would eventually find itself back where it started, not some "wall" blocking off reality from non-reality.

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>outside that area is just filled with anti-matter
wouldnt particles disintegrate and realease amounts of energy that make stars pale in comparisson as soon as they come in contact with their normal-anti particles pairs?

Yeah

Deez nuts lol

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I am going to drop this off real quick for you guys but there is a direct correlation between hydrogen envelopes and density of virtual photon occurrences that will basically be our limit on hydrogen power. Now I don't know too much about what the war in Afghanistan is about to bring us on this but I have heard rumors about hydrogen powered machinery and we may need virtual photons to allocate our conscionable resources by being less available until we use those resources. It might be one of those things that has prevented alien invasions up to this point because we live in a nursery that would repel or stupify an invader. We will need to know v.p.s before we even leave the solar system and that stupid Voyager is probably killing everything in ear shot like a baby's cry.

>ball that just keeps getting bigger
>and also because it's expanding faster than the speed of light
I suppose gravity is enough to hold things together that are close enough for now, but could the rate of expansion ever be great enough that particles start tearing apart?

There are several theories as to how the universe will end and a couple of them are what you described, where the universe can no longer sustain its rate of growth. These are called the Big Rip and the Big Crunch. However, the math points to the heat death of the universe being the accurate way our universe will end. Expansion will carry on forever and eventually everything will freeze because there will no longer be stars or even black holes and atoms will just be floating around in an empty, cold, impossibly gigantic void. Since they will never find other atoms no reactions will occur.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe

However, it's not worth worrying about. The scale of time this is on is impossible for humans to fathom. It's roughly 10^100 years for the largest black holes to dry up and collapse. To put it in context, the universe is about 13.5 billion years old. Stars should still form for another quadrillion years or so and as long as stars are forming the universe is still alive. You could multiple the time our universe has existed by 100 and it still wouldn't be half a percent towards approaching the heat death of the universe. This video explains how lifeforms at the end of time might subsist by farming energy from black holes, it's pretty interesting.
youtube.com/watch?v=Qam5BkXIEhQ

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Pulsars
youtu.be/zsDOqLWuWQ4

If black holes absorb EVERYTHING, even light, then what the fuck would we see when we look into one with our own eyes? Images are transmitted through light.

Volley ball, I was thinking a water balloon but volley ball works. So either way there is a skin of a boundary, inside the volley ball it has to be meeting resistance from something, the molecules are all pressed up against one another inside there, so say you have starlight just protons they're not floating through nothing, they're meeting resistance and pressing through dark matter, basically decayed particles/molecules of radiation. So say the volleyball was a sun/star and the particles can travel as fast as they can, they don't just disappear somewhere because that doesn't work with the laws of thermodynamics. Gravity isn't holding them in to a contained space. The only thing that comes close to making any sense to me is black holes or something is clumping up enough material or they are hitting anti matter and it's enough to cause a big bang that makes a chain reaction that spreads more matter around in the universe and expands it. There are more galaxies surrounding us in the universe than can be observed, and they're getting further apart from one another. Some solar systems are younger than other ones, there has to be a re-occurring mechanism that forms them at different times. A repeat of the big bang. Stars and solar system have different ages, they all didn't just pop up at once in the big bang.
Probably. Assuming they manage to come into contact with the right pairs as far as I know. I guess it'd be relative to how much of it is in contact with the right thing.

you would see a hole that's black. ....

You see la creatura trying to steal your percent

Very scary, alien, and abstract stuff.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black

So anyway a black hole might have a missing dimension, it could just be distorting things around it to make it appear like it isn't. So around the even horizon it could be 3d on one side, but the other side is sort of flat like a vertex point like the volley ball skin where the mass in it is the skin and it just ends there and only collects material on one side. Maybe the gravity and matter just likes to collect on that point till it can explode and expand in a big bang again. maybe the other side is touching all the other black holes and it's not a worm hole, it's just all that mass collected in one spot and it's inverse and just regular matter instead of anti matter.

sounds pretty cool desu youtube.com/watch?v=bjMqJ--aUJ8

GRB's can also come from a black hole accretion disk though

Images aren't transmitted through light per say. Rather it's kind of the other way around. Your eyes are basically just like a stereo attena or WIFI. You're just seeing a different wave length of radiation being absorbed or reflected by photons. You would likely be able to see things getting pulled into it, but otherwise it'd maybe look like the color vanta black.

There is no evidence for the theory of space or exoplanets.

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>you as a being would not exist outside of the farthest particle because your eyes would no revive a single wave of color/light, there would be no particles to transfer the sound of your voice, no pressure that would allow your lungs to breathe, etc.

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Wish it was closer to suck this stupid rock in.

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You would see nothing. A black hole absorbs all light that enters it, which is why we cannot directly observe it with telescopes. Instead youd just see a really distorted picture of everything around it due to gravitational lensing

If you think about it the observable universe is just a reverse black hole where the event horizon slowly encroaches on you from all directions.

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Have you tried looking into the night sky? You can get a clear view of some of the planets in our solar system with a fucking walmart telescope.

This is wrong. In fact the larger the black hole, the less dense it is

the singularity of a black hole is infinitely dense

>the singularity of a black hole is infinitely dense
Not really. We just can't measure it so we say 'infinity' for conviniance.
True infinity violates some laws, as I recall.

you can measure it how do you think we know black holes are there at all? measuring it. Everything that enters a black hole reaches the singularity

But it's not true infinity. True infinity violates many laws.
We can measure it up to a certain point. There.

Science is flawless yet, mate, we don't even know what the fuck gravity is.

Yes, a Kugelblitz

blacks holes are not infinite but the singularity can hold an infinite mass

the human mind
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not millions of stars but billions of stars taking our galaxy with around 200 billion stars (50 give or take) as standard. Truly astounding the absolute numbers that are out there the absolute scale of it all and possibly more that we cant even see extending well beyond to what in human scales can be considered infinite yet at a point end and in turn make up even a bigger thing. really makes you look at all that goes on on this little dust spec and just ask why all the fighting over scraps and petty pursuits, its completely and utterly irrelevant in comparison to it all.

plenty of misconceptions there, the laws of physics are absolute they do not "glitch", its just that our understanding of them isnt complete or only deciphered from one half of the whole meaning that while we can apply it to most observations, anomalies might pop up that use the other half of the whole. Now we just might not see the new half just because we dont have the right instruments nor methods but the really scary part about this is that if the hidden half is made seen and given equations and tied together with our current knowledge it might redefine even the most basic written laws and the whole system needs rewriting.

infinity in science and infinity in media are not the same. we live in a finite world where infinity cannot physically exist outside of math and numbers. when they tell you infinite density they mean the numbers are so big that in terms of human comprehension it might aswell be infinite.

So wait there are suns that are billions and billions the size of our sun which means there are usually proportionally large planets around it. Assuming there are other life on other planets there could be life on those giant planets creating gust as proportionally huge life forms to accommodate it.

Now what if those hug life forms become space faring. Their ships would be so large from our perspective that they could very well be mistaken for constellations and as these giant life forms travel through space their ship could just ram our entire solar system and obliterate it cause we would be no bigger than dust floating in space to them.

What the fuck.

We are likely the only advanced life form in the universe. If you think about it the universe is 15 billion years old, the earth is 10 billion years old and life started shortly after. Which means it took 10 billion years for humans to fully evolve so the chances it's happened before are extemely unlikely

only that the size of the star has no correlation to the size of its planets that in turn does have a correlation to the size of its potential inhabitants but just the other way around what is gravity user.

>only that the size of the star has no correlation to the size of its planets

Dont bigger planets have stronger gravity? So wouldn't a bigger star have a stronger gravity which would pull in more shit to form bigger planets around?

yes but also bear in mind that planets have a critical mass at which point they stop being planets and become stars, gas giants are essentially stars that dont have enough mass to ignite itself.

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>there are suns that are billions and billions the size of our sun which means there are usually proportionally large planets around it

No.

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I remember someone telling be that but wasn't sure if that was true or not. So no matter what kind of planet or celestial body you are, the moment you meet a certain amount of mass you just end up as a star regardless...

That seems kind of silly to me to have a ceiling or a stopping point like that in space where there are thins we can barely fathom about.

theres nothing ufathomable about it the more mass you have the harder it presses on itself, the harder it does it the bigger the friction the bigger the friction the bigger the heat, solid turns to liquid turns to gas

I dont know but like what if that only works cause we see it happen in our solar system? But elsewhere it can happen at a much larger way. Like if you pour a certain amount of water in a small cup it would fill up but if you pour that same amount into a large bucket it would barely fill and would require more water to reach that same state of fullness as the cup. Maybe it is a stupid analogy but I just think it is silly to assume that all other life forms would be conveniently the same exact size as us no matter what planet they come from.

it just won't the goldilocks zone is a thing. anything that's not In that cannot sustain life.

We're not talking about lifeforms, we're talking about physics and the boundary between very big gas giants and stars. That sort of thing is more predictable than life. Outside of weird shit like black holes and the first few seconds after the Big Bang we don't have any reason to believe laws of physics are different in different areas of our universe, therefore you can reasonably assert that there is an upper limit on how big gas giants can grow before they have enough mass to start nuclear fusion and become stars. We can test this by comparing the mass of the smallest stars to the mass of the biggest gas giants and looking for the difference in mass between them.

not saying they are the same size its just that everything has a critical mass. the dinosaurs were giants so were the trees and bugs of that era. and they were that big because their enviorment allowed them to be. the laws of physics and thermodynamics stay the same regardless of location in space, remember we are not still in space our planet spins around our star and our star spins around the galactic center that inturn is cruising through space, all that at a incredible speed. when it comes to biology the bigger you are the more you need to consume to sustain yourself, depending on the planets gravity your body is shaped accordingly and the stronger the gravity the smaller you can be, now im not saying all life is carbon based but what i am saying is whatever its based on must also obey the laws, maybe obey is the wrong term now sculpted by the laws is much better as that implies its something that makes you and defines you as that what the laws inheritly are.

I mean, plenty of shit is impossible for us to really grasp. Can you visualize every grain of sand on some random beach? Or every leaf in a forest? Doesn't mean it's particularly awe inspiring, just repetitive.

its kind of meaningless to talk about volume apart from the radius at the event horizon. you could take the volume of the event horizon as its volume.

They don't have infinity density, they are just dense enough to prevent light escaping their orbit. If the mass of earth was shrunk to 10km diameter it would be a black hole.

>we don't understand the Universe to explain this common phenomenon
>but we know enough to say with certainty that the rules of the Universe(that we don't understand) are absolute
ok retard