My personality is horrendous and I'm incapable of maintaining a relationship with anyone...

>My personality is horrendous and I'm incapable of maintaining a relationship with anyone, but I'm not going to make any attempt to improve myself! I'm going to work to destroy the nuclear family, revel in immorality, endlessly piss and moan on the internet, and encourage other men to do the same!

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I thought the nuclear family is already destroyed

Like 99.9999999999% of men have never heard of, don't care, and are not and will never be MGTOW. Really makes one wonder why it triggers you so much

Improving your personality is a meme if you're ugly

Tell me why women are worth the effort

>my personality is horrendous
>I'm not going to attempt to improve myself
I think you may be making their point for them. Aren't they saying that women aren't worth the endless effort necessary for self-improvement? It does seem possible for that to be a deliberate judgement, even a practical one.

Feminism has already done that. Marriage is a huge disadvantage for men since courts will favor the woman in most cases

well at least they are literally being themselves.

yes, I'd think that's the idea. It does seem appealing. No one has ever approached me or shown the most remote interest. Why should I need to dedicate years of my life to improving so that's no longer the case?

women are getting too greedy with their rights so they will force at least the smart men out of the dating pool.

>come on goy, dont you want a family?
>my divorce firm is going to go bankrupt

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The nuclear family is for cucks and bluepills, the only people who think otherwise are two digit-IQ Christtards and stormfags, both of which see you as a workhorse whose job it is to slave your life away in order to pay for rearing soldiers and breeders.

The redpill in marriage is that if you dont feel in control of relationships in your life as a single man, you DEFINITELY wont be in control as a betacuck provider.

Why the fuck do people want to be in relationships?

Pathetic, unthinking base instincts.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to fuck, we all do. There is something wrong with being such a slave to your desires that you give up what little freedom (((they))) leave you to satisfy your reproductive instinct.

Theres something incredibly ironic at how stormfags push the married meme so hard, when it is not only the most crippling form of social slavery, but more specifically the most powerful (((government))) and society has to keep men cowed and obedient.

Stormfags are the equivalent of a guy warning you not to accidentally put your hand on a mousetrap but directing you towards a trapdoor that will cause you to fall into a basement pit from which there is no escape

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This. Smart men go gay

Why get worked up about the life choices if people you never cared about to begin with?

there's some kind of chemical dependency within me that is only satiated in the presence of women
I don't even care about sex that much I just need to have a female around me at all times

Stormies unironically think individual freedom is a Jewish trick to degenerate society. They only believe in collective or racial freedom whatever that is

Ironically your mentality (resist what you want) is guaranteed to have come from a religious context where lower classes are literally slaves instead of being metaphorical slaves to enjoying life xD

Youre right that poor and lazy retarded robots should stay away from traditional marriage and become trannies, but only so that they dont poison the next generation

Each class reproduces its own kind.

90% of men end up cucked by women and society because they are the sons of men who did the same, who gave up their freedom for getting pussy a few times when their parents were dating and on honeymoon in return for a life of boredom and drudgery. It shouldnt be any surprise that such mens descendants are usually the same and think that being the same is moral upright and all that shit.

>fantasizes about a majority of dudes having a cuck fetish
Word bro. Just dont have kids and keep telling these weirdos that they are free because they dont do what they want lol

t. married guy

Not all of them get literally cucked although a lot do, but the vast majority give up their sexual freedom and most of their earning power for the privilege of having only one or two kids and having to fuck the same old aging pussy for the rest of their life and thats IF she keeps putting out.

Yeah lol its cash
I can respect a lifelong playboy who scores hot girls, but most guys get tired of that shit in college. Not even going into how common it is for married guys to cheat on their wives to make your point look silly, family life is usually more fulfilling than having a bit more earning power. All the metaphor shit is lame, I think everyone wins when robots dont have kids

If you are concerned about the state of marriages and normal family structures, you're at least a couple centuries too late

Tradcucks and stormfags usually push the idea that monogamy and marriage are good for the most part in a fiscal sense of preventing single moms from being a drain on the taxman, or because it promotes higher birthrates, reduces crime etc.

For the most part they avoid the question of whether a man who allows himself to be bound into a state of servitude by government and community is actually more noble in a fundamental sense than a man who does not. I suspect because they dont really want to face the answer: that marriage is effectively breeding ever more docile and servile men.

Wait man are you sexless because of political theory? Lol that sounds gay.

Anyway what youre talking about is luxury. Guys become pussies because of an easy life. They quickly adjust back when life gets hard.

Youre right that the overwhelming majority of men including myself do or would have to give commitment to women and be good goyim to obtain sex.

Thats irrelevant to the question of whether men who refuse submit to women and society are somehow defective or not.

>submit
Fag.

My only point was that the already defective people shouldnt be dads

Both losers and alphas refuse to marry. Naturally there are a LOT more dudes in the former category because most guys period are mediocre including married dudes

Lucky trips, but all married men have submitted by definition. Theyve entered into a legal contract the rules beyond which have been drawn up by other people for society and the womans benefit not his. You might have noticed for example that today even if you prove she cheated on you she still gets a lot of your shit in the event of her filing for divorce.

You just used alpha in 2019 lol
>womens benefit not his
Besides your materialistic trash argument (you lose everything when you die anyway), only like 15% of marriages end in divorce before age 60 if you have an education, and if in your weird ass comparison you think it would be better to be a woman in society I guess youll be ordering hormones soon huh

You don't have to put effort in women you don't want to.

But the effort men refuse to put into women is simply re-allocated in their MGTOW persona.

>I'm going to work to destroy the nuclear family
i don't think you can blame men for that one.

>materialistic trash argument
lol is this how cucks excuse themselves these days?

>I'm going to work to destroy the nuclear family, revel in immorality, endlessly piss and moan on the internet, and encourage other women to do the same!

you forgot a couple letters there, you're welcome

Just let him go man. He didnt stand a chance.

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Feminism and MGTOW are two sides of the same shekel.

I doubt you fight feminism much and we all know that it's 1000x worse than the abysmal speck that is mgtow cuck retard

Not mgtow but if you still believe in marriage in todays society you are unironically retarded.

Why would i enter a contract in witch i give the other person 50% of my assets if THEY decide to leave. Might as well donate that to a charity then to some cunt.

If you are trying to improve for women you're lost anyways
bloomers improve for the sake of improvement

MGTOW still puts too much emphasis on the woman.

The right answer to questions about getting a gf or married is always the following

>Im busy taking care of myself

Unashamedly selfish yet noninflammatory answer. Basically ends the conversation. The only real conceivable comeback is the rude and confrontational argument that youre selfish, to which the obvious rejoinder is that modern life is not easy and you need to focus on your own shit.

I do spend a lot more time "fighting" feminism than MGTOW, for the reason you describe, it is not as prominent a movement.

My approach to MGTOW is also different, I accept the critiques that MGTOW makes, I just oppose adopting a lifestyle of selfish hedonism in response to them.

exactly why i go for men uwu

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