Even if you take DNP, T3, Clen, everything together daily, you still won't burn as much fat as you would in a 100% deficit, and there's hormonal benefits to fasting too, plus it's much more pleasant. I'm not one of those guys who can fast for days and weeks so I do ADF and I eat whatever I want, that's the real joy of it.
Here's why fasting is the best way to lose bodyfat
Ayden Perez
Cameron Diaz
The only time in my life that I lost a significant amount of weight on purpose was by being depressed, wasting away all day at my bed and only eating 1 medium-sized meal a day. Lost 30+ pounds over 4-6 months.
Fasting and then binging is a great way to develop an eating disorder AND die from a stroke due to refeeding too suddenly.
Also
>taking T3 when your don't need to
enjoy having your eyes pop out like a fucking puppet.
Zachary Cooper
Fasting doesn't lead to binging if you have a grip over your eating habits. The T3 thing is just an example along with DNP and Clen, most people use these for fat burning.
Cameron Long
Also
>die from refeeding
not if you fast with snake juice and other precautions, but that's not what I did. ADF is perfectly safe and very effective.
Isaiah Davis
If you're a fatass, absolutely agree. However, once you start to get lean, fasting for days on end starts to get less efficient. fuck anyone who says muh insulin and muscle sparing, once you hit ~15/16% bf (still not an ideal body fat), you're gonna start noticing mild strength and muscle loss from 72s. speaking anecdotally of course, but ever notice no one ever posts shredded photos of them in fasting threads? Once you start to get noticeably leaner, getting diet in check, consistently lifting, and switching to 1-day fasts versus multiple day is the better route for your metabolism and fat burning.
but if you want to lose weight quick, why not the best of both worlds? Have very good results off of DNP + strict IF. Talking like ~200 calories a day intake, only because DNP on an empty stomach can't be that great for you. 1800cal BMR + an estimated 1700 cals burnt from 500mg DNP around its peak. The math literally checks out to be 3500cals burnt a day, aka a pound of body fat. plus the fact you take in less food means less dnp sweltering swamp-ass heat.
Bentley Green
Taking T3 is retarded. enjoy fucking up your thyroid
Robert Stewart
but you may feel like a starving african all the time that sucks
Joshua Kelly
serious question, do you lift at all? Like how many days a week can you really give it your all lifting heavy compounds? What would your workout + diet routine even look like? Either you're eating on lifting days or resting days, and i'm not sure how anabolic you're muscles would ever be unless you're eating 3000cals on those eating days
Jonathan Walker
ADF works for everyone
>missing the point
stfu gymcel, ADF is for people who want to eat whatever they want without getting fat.
Lincoln Jackson
>Once you start to get noticeably leaner, getting diet in check, consistently lifting, and switching to 1-day fasts versus multiple day is the better route for your metabolism and fat burning.
Srs question, can you explain this to me? You mean 1 day a week? I'm finally reaching lower bodyfat and am having the problem you're describing, except I just do OMAD. Also, wouldn't you already be lifting consistently if you were getting noticeably leaner?
Logan Miller
watch more snake diet videos. he still benches 3 plates with ADF/OMAD.
Jeremiah Gomez
lmaooo was a serious question because I was curious. no need to br so butthurt but I guess I know the answer to whether or not you lift lmaoooooooo
like I don't mean to be a sick or anything but you're never going to look as good as you want to be unless you put in time at the gym and into your diet. water fasting is a cheat code that only works for so long before you find yourself in a never-ending cycle of being skinny fat
Colton Morris
So I'm only speaking from anecdotal experience, but I've been on the fasting train for like two years and it's enough time to say what is or isn't working. By 1-day fasts, I mean fasting for 24-36 hours instead of the 72s that everyone preaches. But I'll do that twice a week. Reason being is I'm pretty sure around 15% bf I believe your body starts to prioritize energy differently between glycogen stores, fat, and muscle tissue. Your body really doesn't want to give up that last bit of fat around your abdomen. As you get leaner your metabolism will go down (not drastically, it'll scale according to you weight) and it starts to get a little harder.
My thought was that I want my metabolism to be boosted throughout entire week, and if I can gain any muscle throughout the process then great. I'll fast for 36 hours, break the fast and go into IF for a 2 or 3 day span, doing some variation of PPL. Then fast for another 36 hours, and restart the process. I fast 36 hours instead of 24 because I want to make sure my glycogen stores are depleted before going into my workout day, I'll eat a small snack before lifting + cardio which will inevitably deplete those stores again, forcing my body to have to use those fat stores.
>wouldn't you already be lifting consistently if you were getting noticeably leaner?
I'd hope so. But there are a ton of retards like OP who think fasting is the end-all-be-all and don't manage to change their diet or exercise at all. Like yeah you'll lose weight but you'll never have "the look" that everyone wants (lean with abs)
Joseph Reyes
> OP who think fasting is the end-all-be-all and don't manage to change their diet or exercise at all.
OP was about fat loss retard, not a guide for building a fantastic body. It argued that fasting was more efficient than using all the big fat loss drugs combined, if possible.
Isaiah Sanders
Alright sounds good, but I'm still a bit too retarded to apply it to my routine. This is what I'm doing:
6'1, 170lbs
Monday: Train, OMAD (7pm-8pm) (1800cals)
Tuesday: OMAD (6pm-7pm or 7pm-8pm) (1800cals)
Wednesday: Train, OMAD (7pm-8pm) (1800cals)
Thursday: OMAD (6pm-7pm or 7pm-8pm) (1800cals)
Friday: Train, OMAD (8pm-9pm)(???cals: I just eat one big meal with friends/family, so it's often high cal stuff)
Saturday/Sunday: No training, no OMAD. I know it's retarded to not count calorie intake on the weekend, but I eat at a steep deficit during the week so that I can not really worry about it on the weekend. That said, I really only eat home cooked meals on the weekend that are filling but not processed to hell and at 9999cals a bite.
How would you troubleshoot this? My lifts are stalling a bit and it's getting pretty frustrating.
Dylan Cox
Yeah but my argument was that fasting becomes detrimental to your muscles after hitting a certain point while OP said ADF is for everyone. It clearly isn't if you care about your muscles & overall fitness, and this is a fitness board....... If you want to go from fatass to skinnyfat then great, but you'll be forever skinnyfat if fasting is your only approach to fitness
Colton Sanders
Adderall helps greatly
Zachary Gray
wow youre lucky I have have basically the same stats as you. 6'1 174lbs around 13-14% bf. My BMR is 1800cals and I'd bet yours is probably almost the exact same.
At first glance I can tell you that if you wanna get lean, your calorie intake is too high. I have no idea what your training looks like, but if you're only lifting during gym days then you can really only expect to lose 200 calories at best. My personal opinion is you should be doing cardio at least 5 days a week (it sucks I know) but that'll take a big chunk of calories out of your intake along with lifitng. You've also got a ton of rest days. If you find you really need em then take them, but there's no reason to be eating at BMR on rest days. I'd say at least eat at 1300cals for those days, preferably with cardio. The cardio is probably important considering your diet on the weekends.
I'm sure you probably know this, but in case you don't, a pound of fat is worth 3500 calories. From your regimen I'd probably guess you're at a 1000 calorie deficit from the week. Essentially taking a little over a month for you to burn 1 pound of fat
Anthony Bennett
Nobody on /fast/ looks decent. They all end up with the skinnyfat no muscle look.
I see you subhumans shit up /fat/ all the time. They end up posting their body after they lost weight on the fast and end up looking like a gay skinny alien.
Lets face it, doing CICO and lifting weights is the way forward. You can't build any muscle fasting. Fat people have no muscles.
Nathan Long
I sorta agree. But I believe you can use fasting as a tool instead of as a crutch. Way too many use fasting as an excuse to binge or a remedy to a binge. Then it turns into a never-ending cycle
Ryan Reyes
Wait my bad, this is important as fuck and I forgot to mention it; my goal is to reach 1/2/3/4 while not turning into a bloatlord. I know I probably can't be shredded and upping my gains at the same time, so I'm trying to keep fat gain at a minimum, pretty successfully. The problem is that my strength has started to stall, though though I have "abs" in the right lighting. Can I really eat at the deficit you're proposing and still advance in strength?
Cooper Adams
fasting is easy, can do it in my sleep.
Jason Kelly
This. Only got rid of the last bit of persistent belly fat when I was depressed as shit laying in bed all day eating nothing for almost two weeks and a half (point at which I decided to finally get my shit back together)
