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I'm looking at starting up again. Used to do MMA but reverently became interested in judo, is it any good, any styles or stuff to look out for?
Yea, judo is crazy effective in self-defense, has a beautiful history and tradition and is also quite useful in MMA. Im starting it again this year, trained as a kid 7 years ago. Find a club that has competition records and it should be legit
Thanks for pointing that out will look again tonight.
What makes it so effective in self defence?
What's your first day of mma like?
Not him, but upper body throws from upright posture and leg sweeps.
You fight with a gi, so its more applicable because most people wear clothes in the street, so you can use that to your advantage. Also, most throws are defensive in nature, and you drill them so much you can do them without thinking, just from muscle memory. Maybe the most important thing is that you will learn how to fall without getting hurt. I have heard numerous stories of judo falls saving peoples lives
How do i get into boxing without being surrounded by mouthbreathing meathead faggots
What should I look out for when looking for a BJJ gym? What are red flags? Is it bad that there are relatively many white/blue or black belts?
Thanks for the info it sounds good.
I am going to a boxing gym soon for the first time and i dont know what to do, like, do i introduce myself to everyone before? Also will it be embarassing if i go without any "boxer shoes"? I do like sneakers and i have quit a few of jordan,nike or adidas,boost pairs but no boxing shoes
How do you know what shoes people have if you’ve never been there? Just show up and pick up what the others are doing, it’s your first day for Christ sake.
Probably a good idea to shake hands and say hi to make a good first impression, though
I am starting boxing monday,will i lose my muscle gains i plan 3x boxing and 3x gym
I am 6feet 190 lbs 17%bf. And i like being big.
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What's the next best martial arts to sign up for if there's no MMA in my city?
It's basically just brutal cardio. If you're strong enough to handle the amount of training, then it won't hurt your gains any more than any other conditioning.
3xMA +3xGym is a lot though.
Kickboxing, muay Thai, or Brazilian Jujitsu. Depends on whether you want punching/kicking or grappling.
I've seen people who do it as a hobby and they effortlessly toss people twice their size. In street fight videos almost every time that a fight lasts longer than a sucker punch, the person that gets knocked down first loses. Black people especially pass out the second they hit the ground.
Poor people go to boxing since it has a long history of hispanic and black heroes in the sport (and it's the cheapest one) so you need to get them away from their comfort zone. If some nig takes a boxing stance with you, you don't have to play by his rules. Those grappling disciplines are also defensive in nature so you don't need to stand there and trade blows until you can't even tell who initiated it first when everything is over.
Obviously it's not complete for beating up that guy who slapped your GF's ass but you'd be insane to think there is no advantage to being able to effortless toss people to the ground. Especially since wrestling is impossible to get into after high school.
Get a mouthpiece, short, tee-shirt and sport shoes that you don't use outside.
Judo, Boxing, catch wrestling, TKD
That is the recipe for a complete fighter.
Some disciplines do not work well in free form and force you to change stance. The three above all work seamlessly together.
I've noticed that wrestling is hard to find (I live in uk).
I imagine been thrown on to concrete would hurt a lot and cause a lot of damage.
Throwing people on the ground win you the fight because you now have the option to run away or finish the person.
I primarily do BJJ but i go to Judo 1-2 a week as well, (gym offers both). Just make sure you learn no gi grips for a lot of the moves as you wont always be able to grab a piece of clothing.
I would argue muay thai, TKD, Boxing, BJJ.
This is the main composition for most successful well rounded MMA fighters. (plus or minus one discipline)
The MT stance and style is shit. They take some of it and have to reapply in a MMA style stance TKD teaches kicks, leg work better and shares the boxing stance. That translates better.
BJJ is a meme. I have personally watched high school wrestlers mop the floor with decorated BJJ instructors.
Catch as catch can is submission wrestling. It is the superior discipline.
Some people naturally take to fighting. I used to fuck around with instructors and their students in the area from time to time. I heat them all. It had little to do with my skill at the time and everything to do with my agression, athletic ability, and strength.
Now that I have traveled and studied with far better people I understand that "what x champion uses in MMA" doesn't mean shit.
Forgot a point
Judo is very important.
It lets you break grips do you can run away. All this shit about throwing people is nice, but the big thing is it lets you stay standing and teaches you how to let go of someone grabs you. Also breakfalls.
Judo can be described as balance. That is the hand up it gives you.
outta cash so I can't pay boxing this month
If you got catch you probably don't really need judo, I don't think.
I guess its a matter of opinion and experience because i constantly see decorated wellington wrestlers get gently mauled by BJJ blue and purple belts.
The MT stance does suck but the clinch is an interesting range thats not really taught other disciplines.
The reason I cite what certain champions in MMA use is because I am generalizing based on the most commonly used effective martial arts used in the most well rounded combat sport.
Sure but balance isn't something specific to judo, you can get that from wrestling pretty well too. I'm more focusing on what judo gives at a higher rate than other grappling sports
I do a lot of Judo in BJJ, but yea Judo is very important.
I went to my first bjj class the other day. It was dope I’m just autistic as fuck so meeting new people is weird for me.
I would rather go into the ring against a TKD fighter than a MT fighter anyday. I dont want to say TKD is a joke but if you can avoid their first kick and close the distance its over for them.
>What are red flags?
Lack of rolling or nobody wants to go hard while rolling (note: going hard all the time is unnecessary, going hard every now and then is more or less mandatory), only sport BJJ techniques (over several months, that is). Find a place that does takedowns if possible, and any place where you get your ass kicked is probably fine.
>Is it bad that there are relatively many white/blue or black belts?
Neither is bad - the former is even normal - but the latter may be rough for the first few years.
try daidojuku
try snake pit wigan
>roll with girl
>think about her every day for weeks
Who else
>starved for human contact
here?
First couple months of muay thai, started sparring but finding it hard to land hands on people, kicks can land fine. Any tips for learning range other than spar more? Also how tf to stop flinching/panicking when opponent is laying into you with punch combos any drills for that or just keep repeating until desensitised?
>mfw at least two of the women at my gym are interested in me
>mfw I now have a gf and can only smash their guard
I want to start MA. Which should I pick up?
MMA, boxing, JKD, sambo or BJJ?
What do you want? I'm tempted to say sambo just cause it's a rarity in the west, but that also means good luck getting a competitive scene, and competition is the best way I know to get better.
I like sambo because it had some striking. Basically I want to learn proper striking and groundwork
Then sambo or MMA probably.
Yeah and as already said sambo is rare. There aren't gyms or instructors in my area. Have you done mma? What's the 1st month like?
Wait I thought you were listing shit in your area, and you lived in some city with sambo, BJJ, boxing mma etc. Also I've never done MMA in my life, just boxing and then judo.
First actually find out what you have available near you for martial arts man.
Is there any way for me to spar with a girl and get my ass kicked?
BJJ? Depends do you want her to just beat you up or do you want her to choke you?
The former.
>only sport BJJ techniques (over several months, that is)
What do you mean by that? Also, what should I consider with regards to coaching lineage and such?
Then kickboxing probably.
I did wrestling throughout high school, for a bit of reference, being thrown into a mat hurts, being thrown on concrete can kill you, or give you serious brain damage, there is a good reason lots of people get slammed in real life on the concrete and are instantly out like a light.
BJJ sport techniques are techniques that only work in a regulated BJJ competition, as opposed to a general grappling competition, MMA match or self defense situation. In other words, only techniques that work when someone can't punch/kick/throw/slam you.
Ahh, ok. I'm looking at an MMA school with BJJ classes now, but there are quite some white/blue belts. I was just kind of worried that that was a red flag or something
Literally you only need wrestling, muay thai and bjj
Any school you go to is going to be 90% white belts, that's just kind of how it works. Most of the people who do something aren't the best at that something.
>TKD kicks with boxing footwork
>Judo with no bjj
welcome to sweep city baby
>Hi there, I'm [name], it's my first day here
don't have a fucking aneurysm bro
Thanks man. Are there any other things to consider when choosing a BJJ place?
>"only need"
>proceeds to list a bunch of different martial arts
this is why mma beats traditional martial arts. 1 style to rule them all
Yes and no, the judo gi is thick durable fabric made of cotton, most clothes ppl wear stretch and rip with that much tension in judo throws. No gi training is essential for outside of competition. Also because of competition rules there's no grabbing of the legs, no leg submissions, most don't even learn to defend leg takedowns.
Judo is great but has some caveats, you have to pair it with other martial arts.
>Judo, Boxing, catch wrestling, TKD
That is the recipe for a complete fighter.
Retarded as fuck. Almost no serious MMA fighters actually practise judo or TKD, let alone all the irrelevant catch wrestling techniques that exist.
Ye definitely ur gonna get leaner. Boxing gyms are known especially to go hard with cardio, your shoulders especially are gonna kill.
If you want something less brutal, try looking for muay Thai or kickboxing gyms, usually the more modern gyms are gonna focus more on skill than developing cardio/strength
>learning sambo even though in every competition with jiu jitsu guys they get destroyed every time.
BUT IT'S RARE
Keep in mind that many blue belts have often still been training for years.
Except when there's multiple ppl or ur on a crowd ur fucked. Obviously try to run In that situation, but if u can't, u can probably get away with striking if u know how and they don't.
The key is to train multiple disciplines, notably both in grappling and striking
>Keep in mind that many blue belts have often still been training for years.
Is there any way to escape the 'blue belt blues' or whatever it's called? I don't want to be stuck at intermediate level forever
The coaches should at least be brown belts and the school should show they have students or staff with a successful history in competition.
Blue belt isn't intermediate lol, purple is. Blue is 'you now officially have a clue what you're doing'.
Well fuck, even worse. I hear stories about people getting stuck at blue belt for years, and I don't want that. How do I make sure that doesn't happen?
fucking started sparring for the first time. got punched on my dick. start wearing pic related bois.
nobody ever posts body in these threads
You don't, really. It typically takes multiple years to go from white to blue and from blue to purple. If you want to speed up the process, take notes, drill frequently, do specialized training, and always be paying attention for potential learning experiences.
Full of Klinefelters and twigs
depending on your karate style, karate has grappling.
Did HEMA where getting stabbed in the dick basically means castration.
So now that I'm doing an actual martial art I can at least reuse the cup
I want to do mma. Im already doing bjj, so what is better to learn boxing,sambo or muay Thai?
Boxing is the most cheap one, 13,50 euro a month so i think that Will help me.
Does anyone have stories of ridiculous/esoteric black belt tests? Or whatever tests/requirements were relevant in your art. Doing all your forms and fighting a few folks is boring, I'm looking for tales of survivalist weekends, hours of horse stance, 100 men kumites, etc.
Did you miss the part about a lack of competetive scene? Also it's not true, that BJJ wrecks sambo, not if Fedor or Khabib are any evidence. Although Khabib does wrestling sambo and judo so he might not be good example.
I mean, be the change you want to see in the world dude.
you would have to look good to be a good competitor
Almost anyone relevant in MMA has done a few martial arts not just mma.
Train consistently, several times a week, for years, no big secrets here. In most places blue to purple takes quite long.
its not
this guy is fucking with you
train a lot. it's not uncommon for blue to take 2 years, and purple to take 3. there is no shortcut to ranking. except for if you're a pro mma fighter, then someone will be willing to shit you atleast a brown belt for credibility and to attach their name to you
Don't suck. It doesn't matter though, because if you pay your monthly fee for long enough you'll get a black belt, regardless of your skill level. If you want to be good you have to put the time into studying, and then just roll a lot.
this is the dumbest shit i've ever read
this is a LARP
it's not the stance so much as the lack of head movement, most MT dudes like to stand and trade like idiots, boxing does a much better job of training head movement. you really don't see amateur boxing level head movement in MT until the high level fighters.
lol no it's fucking not
tkd is in fact a joke
don't be afraid to stand in the pocket, don't wig out when you get hit, keep your hands up and dish some hits out. work on your core and neck muscles so you're not so scared of getting hit
>being thrown into a mat hurts
unless you're getting fucking dropped from a firemans no it doesnt
Only reason why they list different styles is to let normies comprehend. "Oh he does Muay Thai and bjj? He must be well rounded. Hes a wrestler? His game plan is to take it to the ground"
No TMA teaches gnp and sprawl n brawl. MMA techniques need to seamlessly transition depending on distance and timing. Nobody rushes in for a double leg or has a pure Muay Thai stance in mma. Hell, even pride fighting looks different than ufc. My point is that training mma rules creates a more complete fighter than any specialized style.
my buddies bujinkan "ninjutsu" black belt test involves sitting down facing away from the instructor, and the instructor swinging a sword down towards his head. he is supposed to sense when the swing is happening, and roll out of the way. not that they use a real sword but still some dumbass shit, i honestly thought he was memeing until i found a video of it online
>Nobody rushes in for a double leg
ben askren
>or has a pure Muay Thai stance
khalil roundtree does
i agree that in modern times if you're training martial arts you may as well train MMA, generation after generation after generation of fighters have already figured out what works and what doesn't, sure you can specialize and make it a central part of your game, but you really have to be able to do it all so you may as well train it all. competitive ruleset aside, which obviously favors wrestlers due to no knees/kicks to grounded opponents, and no strikes in the back of the head.
Some bjj school have ridiculously hard conditioning test before you actually roll for your belt. Or they throw you in shark tanks.
where the fuck do bjj gyms have pools wtf?
>Only reason why they list different styles is to let normies comprehend. "Oh he does Muay Thai and bjj? He must be well rounded. Hes a wrestler? His game plan is to take it to the ground"
Or they list that shit cause that's what the fighters did
>did
Thanks again for confirming that mma is the truth
i wonder what nerd virgin's literally have nightmares of this thread so bad they have to come in and justify playing a game that consists of 1/10 a real grappling sport
go boxing. but it depends what kind of gym it is.
I recently used Judo grip fighting to completely shut down a wrestler during BJJ and proceeded to guillotine him about every minute
He got one low single because it made it easier for me to sweep and guillotine him :3
>tatted up cute blonde at gym keeps flirting with me
>have a gf
>she's probably an amazing fuck
>I recently used Judo grip fighting to completely shut down a wrestler during BJJ
no you didn't.