All of these low carb carnivoire diet threads made me curious and I've tried the died for a couple of days now

kek holy shit that's disgusting

>Never heard of this, and nobody I know that does carnivore got this.
Imagine being this delusional, there's a reason why keto flu is a thing, it also never goes away, ever, which is why even carnivore shills online literally quit their shit diets and started introducing CARBS because they feel like shit and can't make gains.

>not eating enough fat
love this meme, yeah bro just eat butter it's a literal superfood trust me nevermind the fact that cats and dogs and lions eat mostly protein like true carnivores you should totally feast on fat it's totally healthy and natural!

you're actually retarded.

KETO flu, because they still eat CARBS.
fuck, you're dense.

What a fucking brainlet, Google "Rabbit Starvation"

you and your shit diet are retarded, retard
>keto flu, because they still eat CARBS
keto flu, because THEY LACK ENOUGH CARBS, keto flu is literally only possible on a moderate /low protein and high fat low carb diet, high carb diets literally fucking prevent and reverse keto flu, only shit low carb high fat diets promote keto flu, take a wild fucking guess why
because you still need glucose
google "rabbit starvation myth" you fucking retard, have you ever seen how lean the diet of most TRUE carnivores? check the macro composition of the diet of dogs, cats, lions, I mean just look at fucking cat food and you wil lsee it is indeed mostly fucking protein
stop being a retard, rabbit starvation only happens when you eat literally nothing but protein which is impossible on a natural diet.

you need more greens. like, a ton more

Why the fuck are you talking about cat and dog diets when we're talking about human diets you schizo

Any links? Because it’s pretty well documented that keto flu goes away. It’s part of the adaptation period so unless you’re cheating every other day and staying in semi-adaptation mode forever it should go away within a month. As for fatigue, this is common when people don’t eat enough fat, not being used to the fact that without carbs you run on fat and therefore need a lot more of it.

Post links to ex-carnivores experiences too, if not a shill. Not to go full Jow Forums here but there are literal anti-carnivore shills funded by the grain lobbies and the Seventh Day Adventists (yes for real) and this post is a little sus.

>keto flu, because THEY LACK ENOUGH CARBS
because they're still eating carbs.
holy shit man. why are you so intent on showing us how stupid you are?
and animals in nature go for fatty organs first now because animals have gotten so lean. like I said earlier, you know nothing, and you're actually retarded.

Please don't do this meme diet. Its not your solution to losing weight, its a shortcut (albeit a shortcut that works) but in the end you'll look worse and feel worse than if you'd just dieted properly and adopted a healthy lifestyle. Wake up same time on week days. Breakfast: Fresh fruit on the plate, with a slow digesting carb source, and a piece of meat that has a decent amount of fat and a lot of protein. Water all day. Protein shake after lifting. Repeat breakfast for dinner. Don't eat snacks. Bed time at the same time no matter what. Keep your fucking room clean.

And yes I have done the ketard diet several times, and yes I lost weight. I regret it, because I also lost a ton of athletic ability despite lifting and doing my cardio. My 5k time is the same as a year ago, despite heart rate training all summer and winter. DO NOT fall for the meme, you need to adopt the lifestyle there is no way around it.

Protein builds muscle, but fat gives you energy. Very simple. You need both.

>poster is clearly experiencing symptoms of not having enough fat
>nOOo BrO fAT baD

you're obese - you're always hungry.

Did you do carnivore or regular keto? Both are far better than a carb diet but keto has its issues.

Op here. I'm actually skinny and not fat. Weight loss isn't even on my mind. I'm trying the diet out of curiosity.

what a thread

actual brainlet

>because they're still eating carbs.
there are people literally getting "keto flu" on 0 carb diets though you massive fucking retard, and EATING CARBS reverses it
>Any links?
Yeah, go check your shit subleddits like zerocarb and keto and search up "flu", you will see plenty of cases of people suffering despite eating 0 fucking carbs and it never goes away, epople just learn to deal with the lack of energy and feeling like shit because they are told to be other retards online.
>It’s part of the adaptation period
for starters there isn't even a single fucking study that actually proves this is a thing when it comes to getting rid of the keto flu, energy levels are always way lower on keto no matter how long you're in keto for.

> Not to go full Jow Forums here but there are literal anti-carnivore shills funded by the grain lobbies and the Seventh Day Adventists (yes for real) and this post is a little sus.
imagine thinking foods like milk are being shilled by le big grain and vegan christian cultists lmao

>Protein builds muscle, but fat gives you energy. Very simple. You need both.
guess what you find in meat
protein and fat,
now tell me why the FUCK is a retard(assuming not you) telling someone else to eat more fat in the form of fucking BUTTER which is a shitty fucking "food" that is man made?
what is the reasoning behind this? there is no logic in this, eating more fat isn't gonna make you feel better unless you're pretty fucking lean and have no fat stores yourself, protein should be the bulk of your diet if you are eating no carbs that's just how it is, you need more protein the less carbs you eat.
butter is absolutely fucking useless if you are eating meat that isn't as lean as chicken breast

>Yeah, go check your shit subleddits like zerocarb and keto and search up "flu", you will see plenty of cases of people suffering despite eating 0 fucking carbs and it never goes away, epople just learn to deal with the lack of energy and feeling like shit because they are told to be other retards online.
I've just done that and pic related

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You’re right, butter isn’t ideal. What would actually be best is getting your meat from a butcher and asking them not to trim the fat off, so you get a proper fat to protein ratio.

Keto, and yes I ate organ meats and greens. No, its not better than a carb diet, I LOST cardio endurance despite training all summer, Keto is dumb as fuck and didn't do anything despite ruining my athleticism. Stop spreading this meme.
inb4 "you dint do carnivore Xd" and I wont be, because carbs are a great energy source, and I wont be subjecting my body to a state of constant internal stress for absolutely no provable benefit.

Lol dude what, don't you know, they clearly didn't eat ENOUGH carbs, or didn't take their bone broth, or they didn't do it long enough! Keto works well for everyone and will turn you into a god being trust me
t. shriveled oily keto shill

I get untrimmed cuts and still need to supplement with butter. wtf.

you just keep digging a deeper hole for yourself.
why are you still here? you are clearly uneducated on this subject.

you just said protein is not used for energy then tell them they should eat more protein when they lower carbs - carbs are only used for energy?

Welcome to the shepards pie club nigga

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You probably aren't eating as much as you think. Eating 1.5 lbs of steak is pretty filling for most of the day, and it is only like 1500 calories.

This is what I do. Ribeye steak everyday for less money than a couple cheeseburgers at Wendy's.

You don't understand biology

Keto only works if you are fat.even then it worse weight lose compared to cico. People are only impressed with it die to the fact you lose 10 lbs of water weight at the beginning of the diet. Most studies on crossfit athletes on the diet show reduced muscle mass. This is due to fact keto is low protein and the protein you consume is turned into glucose.

Holy fuck that looks good. I haven't had shepherd's/cottage pie in so long I forgot how much I love it.

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>I'm hungry as fuck just shortly after a huge meal

Biology lesson OP:

I suspect you're still eating sugar, carbohydrates(starches, grains, rice, oats, etc) in significant amounts. Why?
Fat and protein do not molest blood sugar, they're very bad at that. When blood sugar dips from insulin due to carbohydrate metabolism it causes an energy crisis, signals the brain for more energy even if a person recently ate, and the person becomes chronically hungry consuming sugars, even if they ate a big ass steak.

This is why added carbs or sugar to fat and protein is obesigenic, and makes such foods so. Because the crap food corporations know they can addict users via known human physiological mechanisms.

I'm also carnivore and sometimes I have to fight to get that protein in because I'm trying OMAD(on meal a day). Its extremely satiating.

OMAD meal(OMAD can also be done in a 2-4 hour feeding window)
(a) 3-10 eggs
(b) 3-4 cups of ground beef, or replace with steak or fish or pork or etc animal protein of your choice
(c) some added bits of beef liver(multivitamins)

I still cheat by getting coffee, however I've weened off donuts and I no longer sugar my coffee. Things seem pretty good. For reference when I sugared my coffee I noticed my inclination for donuts substantially increased... unsurprisingly...

>high carb diets literally fucking prevent and reverse keto flu

Sugar prevents illness? Umm no sweaty, that's not how that works, whatsoever. Its the polar opposite.

>guess why because you still need glucose

Than why aren't you dying every night in your sleep when you become fasted? Because the body has zero requirement for glucose from carbohydrate sources. The body actually loves to use fat to produce glucose and this is quite openly known in basic biology.

The primary enzymatic process is called Gluconeogenesis, followed by several other cycles which converts fatty acids into glucose and ketone bodies to power cell mitochondria.

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The real question is the following:
is keto/carnivore social suicide?
Will you feel like death after consunimg carbs in the form of a meal that someone made for you or after drinking alcohol occasionally ?(like once every 1-3 months)

why do you need to be drunk to talk to people?
fix that first.
then maybe you'll understand you don't need to gorge on empty calories to satisfy others either.

>why do you need to be drunk to talk to people?
don't be so judgemental. I don't NEED to be drunk to talk to people, I'm perfectly fine socializing sober. Being drunk is fun.

>The body actually loves to use fat to produce glucose
like basically every other liver process, you see high variation between individuals. not everyone is so great at it that they feel perfectly functional without dietary sugar.
will likely feel like shit eating cake, but regular amounts of carbs should feel pretty good.

That means they're doing it wrong

you are hungry quickly after eating a lot of fat and protein?
a couple of options: give your body time to start burning fat instead of carbs, increase your intake of salt and other minerals, move your ass

Because I’m literally handicap when it comes to talking to people

Not really, though you'll be more aware of how shit carbohydrate metabolism is.
The one week my parents and sister visited, we all went out a lot to eat and shit, all the bad shit returned with a vengeance

>chronically bloated and gassy
>skin issues flared up in one day
>energy was shit in the gym
>recovery was significantly down
>bad sleep

The one thing I really like about carnivore is the muscle recovery, high animal protein macros are quite nice for that. Anecdotally, my n=1 experience the mixed macro diet with carbs was much slower for that.

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That actually explains a lot user. I quit sugar cold turkey a couple weeks ago. No coffee (with sugar), no soft drinks, etc. I’m hungry as fuck now. Always. And I’ve always had diabetes run in the family. I’ll schedule a doc apt to get tested from this post. Thanks you.

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Still doesn't change the fact the requirement for carbohydrate/sugar is zero. That cannot be said of fat or protein whatsoever.

>you see high variation between individuals

There is some variable truth to this, in that some population groups have in them a better resistance to the degenerative effects of carbohydrate metabolism and can thrive for an extended period of time on such a diet without so much as a visible issue. However those population groups are a global minority, typically having been isolated for extended millennias in (a) areas of year round growth, warm climates nearing the equator (b) areas typically low accessibility of animal sources (c) isolated regions with little to no access to a larger social economic trade route.

> not everyone is so great at it that they feel perfectly functional without dietary sugar

This is confounded by an obvious thing, the interim to a low carb diet from a high carb diet takes more than a month of gut flora adaptions to make properly efficient the use of fat for energy. So yes, if a person tries to transition such as the OP who spends only a couple of days he will run into some transitional issues, especially if his prior diet was high carbohydrate.

There's also other nasty stuff from plants which confounds such as Oxalic Acid dumping which starts when the body no longer has to deal with it from dietary sources, ie plants. Anecdotally people report feeling like ass for a few months as the body tries to export these crystalline deposits out of the body.

>people with high amounts of Oxalic Acid will also typically get kidney stones as well, resistance to it is also variable
>deposits also form in the joints, skin, nervous system, etc causing some nasty chronic pain issues, including fibromyalgia
>also occurs from consuming excess amounts of vitamin C over a period of time

just do keto. You need those vegetables m8.

My father is a pharmacist and tells me that keto makes sense, much more so than other diets. This is the first time he actually went on a diet (even though he is skinny af) he says that it's healthy for you

>You need those vegetables m8.
why? Meat / cheese / fat is enough to get all of the necesarry macro nutrients, minerals, vitamins and elements.
Only thing I've noticed I'm deficient in is Vit K2 and Vit E, I might make my own saurkraut to compensate. Other vegetables are unnecessary

why is the fact that he's a pharmacist relevant at all?

>I've tried the died
>thread

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all of these "diets" are meme diets.
The High IQ Move is realizing it's about the calories AND the macros

No idea mate, keep going
Make sure you are eating enough protein too

I had to research a lot of this stuff into human energy systems for my own father. He in particular has Type II diabetes which is mediated by a problem with the body resisting insulin. Type I is when the beta cells of the pancreas no longer produce enough insulin due to some sort of auto-immune, inflammatory condition. Type I is pretty nasty because of the effects of hyperglycemia(high blood sugar) where the body doesn't produce enough insulin to control blood sugar levels, where they need injectable insulin to compensate. Normal people can experience a minor form of hyperglycemia if they chronically spike their blood sugar via carbohydrate metabolism, also glycation

The good news for Type II diabetics is fasting, a cure. This is because Type II is primarily an issue of capacitance, or the lack there of from adipose fat tissue. The body can't put the converted glucose as fatty acids into storage nor can it put it into the cells so the body tries to dump it into the blood. Fasting works well because

(a) pure maximal fat loss, freeing up capacitance quickly
(b) leaves your blood sugar levels at rest for extended periods of time restoring insulin sensitivity

There is variability here, because some 80-90 of Type II are overweight obese. There are some other caveats, genetic other otherwise for those who're not obese

For Type I, I need to do more research. I know sugar is inflammatory and oxidization, and causes glycation of proteins in the body, but I'm not quite researched of the mechanisms involved in the disease pathology of Type I

>I’m hungry as fuck now

People typically experience a metabolic boost in in resting energy expenditure when kicking carbs. Part of this could be confounded because you may have a higher requirement. Whatever the case you really do need to do research if you think its diabetes.

Type II diabetes - resource
youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4Q5STdNYMWqJKAlLR7CKqSbM6pyprO-9

>gl annon

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it's very easy to summarize.
type 1 diabetes is when your pancreas doesn't produce insulin. if not diagnosed at birth, you can reverse it with fasting.
type 2 diabetes is when your body stops responding to insulin, typically associated with obesity but not always, cured with fasting.
type 3 diabetes is after years of running on glucose as your primary fuel, waste products build up in your brain causing dementia/alzheimers. anecdotal evidence of it being reversed/delayed by MCT oil supplementation if caught early enough, or just reduce carbs early in life to avoid the collection of waste in the brain.

huh, you only ever get the keto flu if you never fasted before or if you always eat high carb.
I eat normally 90% of the time but sometimes I dont eat carbs for a week or fast for 3-4 days and I never get the "keto flu" even though I use pee strips to check and I do go into ketosis.
If keto flu never goes away what do long distance runners do, or people that swim for hours on end. Your body adapts to it easily if you arent retarded and cheat every single day.
it literally took me 1 week to get out of it the first time I did it and it hasnt bothered me since, even though I dont even do keto anymore

just fast regularly, works great against it

yeah mct does reverse/delay to some extent, but its like spitting in the ocean, if you get to that point you're a goner even if you fix your diet and all else.

>type 1 diabetes is when your pancreas doesn't produce insulin. if not diagnosed at birth, you can reverse it with fasting
>after years of running on glucose as your primary fuel, waste products build up in your brain causing dementia/alzheimers
citation needed

>type 3 diabetes is after years of running on glucose as your primary fuel, waste products build up in your brain causing dementia/alzheimers. anecdotal evidence of it being reversed/delayed by MCT oil supplementation if caught early enough, or just reduce carbs early in life to avoid the collection of waste in the brain.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_3_diabetes
so many dense people in this thread.

>type 3 diabetes is after years of running on glucose as your primary fuel, waste products build up in your brain causing dementia/alzheimers

To clarify its not the glucose per say, because we produce that from fat via gluconeogenesis but the spike in glucose causing high blood sugar, or hyperglycemia that effects "metabolic syndrome", or the damage which causes dementia/Alzheimers. Though you're correct in concept, carbohydrate metabolism from dietary sources is efficient, causal for the damage of the above.

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How many pro athletes, IFBB bodybuilders, strongmen, or weightlifters do you know that don't eat carbs rofl. My current macros are 250p/40f/600c and I feel and look better than I ever have

>"The categorization is not embraced by the medical community."

You mean the corrupt retards at the AMA, or the ADA? Nice cope using Wikipedia as a reference...
Government researchers such as Dr. Dom D Agostino calls Alzheimers Type III. I'm quite inclined to agree especially considering the disease pathology is extraordinarily similar to types I and II diabetics

>Dominic D’Agostino, Ph.D., is a tenured Associate Professor in the Department of Molecular Pharmacology and Physiology at the University of South Florida (USF) Morsani College of Medicine. He is also a Research Scientist at the Institute for Human and Machine Cognition (IHMC). Dr. D’Agostino laid the foundations for his career as an undergraduate student and neuroscience researcher at Rutgers University studying the neural control of autonomic regulation. Shortly after receiving his B.S. in Biological Sciences and Nutritional Science in 1998, he received a Predoctoral Fellowship at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey in 1999 to pursue his doctorate. During his PhD studies he received two American Physiological Society (APS) awards in Respiratory Physiology, and the Proctor and Gamble Professional Opportunity Award in Physiology for his research on oxygen sensing neurons in the brainstem. Dr. D’Agostino earned his Ph.D. in 2004 and subsequently entered into a postdoctoral fellowship in neuroscience at the Boonshoft School of Medicine at Wright State University in Ohio.

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>The good news for Type II diabetics is fasting
though diabetes usually implies medication (which can cause seriously low blood sugar), so extra precautions are certainly needed.

I rarely take the effort replying to retarded posts but you just took things to the next level. After 10+ years on chan this is one of the most retarded things I have ever had to read. I hope your whole family dies a slow and painful death for the mere fact of hawing spawned you on this fucking planet.

People who eat/ate carbs:
- Michael Phelps
- Christiano Ronaldo
- Floyd Mayweather
- Alexander Karelin
- Michael Jordan
- Usain Bolt
.. and many more legendary athletes

People who put carbs:
- Jordan Peterson and his daughter
- Incels
- coping fats and ex-fats on Jow Forums

That only happens if you don't eat enough.

I've never seen any of those plant eaters take down a mammoth 10x their size with a wooden stick.
also, explain Shawn Baker.

>Shawn Baker
Nigger who? I just gave you the names of peak performing legendary athletes and you game me the name of some irrelevant MD incel whose name I don't know and whose name will not go down in history. Nigger doesn't even have a Wikipedia page.

you just told me who he is, but you pretend you don't know him.
how to cope, the post.

Can you actually prove to me none of these people are exploiting fat adaption to to enhance their aerobic output? Especially the boxers, soccer players or others in endurance sports where fat adaption would flat out give them a physiological advantage?

>you can't because your "case" is entirely anecdotal and hearsay
>not scientific or provable whatsoever

The scientific literature, limited but thus far shows those on a fat adapted diet produce more energy, and have a greater resting metabolic rate than non fat adapted people. This advantage is also is seen with the few known athletes in endurance sports, but is essentially a well kept and guarded secret in athleticism.

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You can look up the diets each of those athletes including Karelin if you understand Russian. The only time Wrestlers and Boxers (Ive trained with several pro boxers in my life) cut carbs is when they have to make weight but guess what they do after they made weight, eat carbs again. Get the fuck off with your "literature" .. It's not hearsay because there are literal documentaries of these athletes but it's understandable because you're a fat fuck who has never met and dealt with an actual athlete. You're that type of guy who has never touched a woman in his life and tries to tell other people how to approach or let one fuck them because of shit youve read on reddit.
>endurance sport
Nigger have you ever actually watched endurance athletes? There are videos of Tour de France athletes eating Haribo during and after workouts/competitions. I swear the internet was a mistake because it spawned illuminati faggots like yourself. It's always ex fatties and Incels faggots with bad genetics and degenerate metabolic diseases who promote this shit. The fault are not carbs, its your crazy genes. You cant process carbs like those Inuit faggots in Greenland.

Also nice reddit spacing you fucking faggot

which one of them competes in their 50s?

>comparing real sports at an Olympic level with bodybuilding
Imagine being this retarded

please tell me you didn't eat pic related
if you did you are 100% retarded and don't deserve the diet anyway

Most disgusting shepards pie I have even seen. Shame on you user.

>when the summation of your argument is simply more anecdotes and hearsay
>when asked to provide evidence, none is provided
>start spazzing out like a twelve year old on a live gaming service when you're exposed as an illiterate retard

American Zach Bitter Crushes 100-Mile World Record With 6:48-Mile Pace
runnersworld.com/news/a28819230/zach-bitter-100-mile-world-record/

mensjournal.com/health-fitness/zach-bitter-100-mile-american-record-holder-he-also-eats-almost-no-carbs/

>Men’s Fitness: You’ve said that you originally switched your diet because of health problems. What were they?
>Zach Bitter: In high school and college, I had a whole-food type of approach to nutrition, like a lot of endurance athletes do. At that time, most of the research you’d find was based in a high-carbohydrate diet, so I skewed my nutrition that way. My diet was clean, but probably 60% carbs. Then, in 2010, I started participating in ultra-endurance events and noticed that things weren’t ideal—not being able to sleep consistently through the night, having big energy swings during the day, chronic inflammation in my ankles, things like that.

>And that’s when you decided to change your diet?
>Well, I was at a crossroads. One option was to scale back on training, and that wasn’t necessarily something I wanted to do. The other option was to look at what I could do nutritionally, and that’s when I met Jeff Volek, M.D., Ph.D., who’s been very influential in the high-fat approach, and I made the switch.

This type of performance is not unsurprisingly with fat adapted athletes, whatsoever. In fact other physiological benefits included reduced lactic acid build up on a high fat diet.

>Ketosis decreased muscle glycolysis and plasma lactate concentrations, while providing an alternative substrate for oxidative phosphorylation
cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(16)30355-2

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IF>Keto

Dont listen to the OP, you'll only feel hungry for 2-4 days as your body gets rid of water and glycogen and starts running on fats. Eat some vegetables and you will have superpowers in a few days, dont forget salt

>American Zach Bitter Crushes 100-Mile World Record With 6:48-Mile Pace
>At this point, my body is in a great place to take on some concentrated carb sources the two days before the event. Similar to the phase 3 protocol, these last couple days involve taking in some of my favorite concentrated carbohydrate sources. Like in phase 3, I don't consume them in isolation, but in combination with a good fat and protein source.
>These two days allow me to top off my glycogen, but not to the degree that it sabotages fat being my primary fuel source.
>Glycogen, being the more finite source of fuel, is what I try to replace exogenously during an event
zachbitter.com/blog/2017/07/17/periodizing_nutrition_part_4_-_taper_and_race
from the blog post he seems to have a very interesting approach to his race diet but to suggest he is consuming no carbs is just wrong.

>pharmacist

>cell.com/cell-metabolism/fulltext/S1550-4131(16)30355-2
nutritional ketosis, they gave them ketone drinks, the benefits were only present in the groups that consumed the ketone drink aswell as the ketone+dextrose drink.
i dont think the counterargument to fat as fuel is that ketones are shit but rather that the body is slow at converting fat to ketones

Interesting, he's still toying with the concept of a "carb loading gear", slash periodicity. Also didn't know he was the host of the human performance outliers podcast with Shawn Baker.

>Glycogen, being the more finite source of fuel, is what I try to replace exogenously during an event. What I have discovered through my journey of fat adaption is that I can reduce the amount of exogenous fuel during a race by approximately 50 percent. Years ago when I was a high carbohydrate athlete I would routinely take in 400-500 calories an hour in order to feel the same energy levels that I now can obtain on 150-250 calories per hour.

(&)

> to suggest he is consuming no carbs is just wrong

I specially said fat adapted. In order to achieve that you have to be low carb for a prolonged period of time. Zach has stated on his own podcast his annual averages around 10% or less in carbohydrate. The blog you linked as well as his podcast indicates he loads exponentially in those phases, specific days with the taper prior to a competition, and that would be his peak carbohydrate consumption in a year. His anecdotal concept being to keep the "carb gear" alive so as "top of the glycogen" in a race.

> Athletes cycled on average 411 ± 162 m further (p < 0.05) over 30 min on KE+CHO versus CHO equating to a mean performance improvement of 2%. Pooled and individual TT performances are shown in Figures 7F and 7G. The metabolic changes arising from altered nutritional substrate provision during exercise are summarized in Figure 7H.

An advantage of 2%. The crucial flaw in these early clinical studies, the athletes are not "fat adapted". Meaning the gut microbiome and the body itself adapted to an increase in enzymatic activity in order to produce glucose. That process typically takes months and is not accounted for due the cost of such studies. The few metabolic ward studies on Basal Metabolic Rate(BMR) are only 40 days long, after a high carbohydrate diet...

I really like beef and want to continue eating it but it's kind of expensive over here. That's not a problem because I like the cheaper cuts too (like legs) BUT they get really tough unless you cook them long and slow.
Now I've read that cooking meat for a long time destroys the nutritional profile (like vitamins).
How true is that?

but the main point is always that you need carbs to perform at a high level, nobody is doubting that you can train etc. on lowcarb just that you will not have anyone eating no carbs befor (or while longer) competition

i dont get the second part, they got keto drinks those are already converted ketones, why would they need to adapt to that first. in that study the body is not converting anything and just using the dietary ketons as fuel. or am i retarded and ketones get converted to glucose i thought they are the finished product

incorporate more hard cheese and actual meat instead of that piece of shit lasagna

>you need carbs to perform at a high level

This may hold true, it may not. The one thing that is certain, there's not enough data yet to be conclusive. Especially when data on fat adapted athletes is sorely lacking.

>i dont get the second part,

Ketosis is a sort of alternating or energy overdraft system to supply to the body in the interim of other energy processes. It scales in kind with gluconeogenesis which is in fact the primarily goal of a fat adapted diet when more fatty acids are mobilized to be converted into glucose. This machinery can't be magically hacked and it takes more than a month to make it efficient at mobilizing triglycerides, converting them to fatty acids which then get converted to glucose to be burned for energy. This in-conjunction with other things such as the gut micro-flora are a part of that overall machinery.

Ketones will help yes, but they're only a part of a larger system in the human body to convert fat into usable energy.

Lasagna?

Don’t insult their precious fat, they’ll call you 80s momscience

cooking brainlet answer from me. still a piece of shit

ur not nearly as enlightened or intelligent as u think u are