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I wasted a whole year doing this shit. Barely got any bigger. 3 months going 6 days a week with 5/3/1 got me the same results as 9 months with starting strength

GOMAD is for skeletons that claim to eat a lot but really don't know how the fuck to track their calories.

>>barely got any bigger

Size comes from eating. You're just retarded.

It's good for what it is and what it tries to do.
The main people who have a problem with it are turbo brainlets who think a program specifically called *starting* *strength* is supposed to be a long term program and/or for aesthetics for some reason.
There is no false advertising here. The book is very upfront about what you're getting, it's all right there in the title.

Is there a starting aesthetics equivalent?
I did SS for a year, then stopped going in the gym for 2. Now i am still strong but i am a fat fuck.
Is there a way for me to lose weight and keep at least some of the muscle i still have ?
I cant return to SS because then i will be very fat and i don't want that.

god he looks like shit lol

Hypertrophy + lower bf %

SS doesn't make people fat. You ate too much. No program fixes that. You have to stop eating like a fat fuck.

I looked like
>pic related
when I did SS + curls and dips. This was after going from 135 to 155 lbs. Your diet determines whether or not you're fat.

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Do the basic LP without changing your diet until you stall then increase the intensity and drop the volume for the duration of your cut.

People who like it are able to take away the bits that are useful and leave the parts that aren't for them. The book is good for learning form, not so much for its program (unless that program happens to fit your goals). People who don't like it can only view the book as a whole and are incapable of intelligent thought, and perhaps even of reading in general. This is an objective fact.

SS is a meme
Rippetoe is a joke
The book is a dogmatic farce that teaches good morning squats. All useful information can be found online for free.

If there is anything you like about he program, then do SL instead.

Yeah, if you want a simple routine, forget avout SS and it's book and go for SL, it has a free app and you can learn the lifts on the internet.

shredded skeleton

SL is meme, SS is progenitor of said meme
Coping weakling, don't do a strength program if you don't want to get stronk

I often see people take a shit on SS/Low Bar Squats, but they never articulate what's wrong with them. Care to explain?

Self imposed apt

because a man's gotta eat

>fat fuck
>aesthetics equivalent
maybe stop eating

I actually think it's the opposite. The program is all I can take from the book. You can't really explain proper form with words. You can read the whole book a million times and still gain more knowledge from watching youtube videos

Because he did roid when he was young and now doesn't. He fucked up his testosterone.

I think it was good that I read the book before watching videos. But yeah, I needed a few hours of videos from different sources to get a better idea and more cues for the movements.

Better than that it's probably to get a competent coach that's actually experienced with compound lifts, but there aren't that many + expensive

No, he retired from power lifting because he didn't want to roid

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I have a few cheeseburgers back at my place if you’d like to stop by...

I don't think there's anything "wrong" with them, but, as compared to atg highbar, they are less aesthetic looking when performed, less a natural move to do, and I think they take less athleticism to do, but I could be wrong about that last one.

Jack Rippetoe is based and redpilled

This basically, but no program is going to make you look like a bodybuilder in 6 months. Drug free or not.

Gomad == easy 2400 calories. That's it, I don't know why you guys have such an issue understanding that.

This is true. But most people who read it see the value in the book because it has quality explanations of the technique of the compound movements.

Gotta make sure he loses what little muscle mass he built on SS and then drive him into the ground by increasing the intensity, right babe?

I swear jogging and body weight exercises are better than this crap.

It's a program designed to increase your squat, diddly, bench and OHP.
How does running and bodyweight exercises achieve this?

SS is a program designed to help you get stronger, but is pitched to newbies trying to earn a nicer LOOKING body. Eventually you realize you spent months getting fatter and stronger instead of leaner and better looking, so you double down and become a powerlifter and pretend like that was your goal the whole time. The people who like the program are either genuine beginner strength sport athletes or people desperately trying to cope for wasting so much time and energy on accidentally becoming a bloatlord. The people that hate it, like me, saw other people get burned by it in the past and are honestly warning people that it isn't gonna do for you what you think it's gonna do.

Ok but thats wrong so also no

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Which is the better program, SL or SS

You are wrong on every point you made

Question about low bar squats Rippetoe style. When he says to push your knees out at descent, how do you balance it so the force doesn't go to the sides of your foot? It should be midfoot, but it keeps going over the side if I actively push out my knees/abductors.

This was also why I stopped SS. I was looking worse week after week despite my lifts going up.

That is a photo of Doug Young

That depends if you're looking at
A) just the program and nothing else
B) the contents of the book and nothing else
C) the SS dogma as a whole including the SS forums and the SS acolytes over here.

If it's A) it's not a meme, and a decent place to start as long as you switch programs when it stops working.
If it's B) it can certainly be helpful for someone new to lifting, but the book is primarily aimed at coaches and not lifters, and the lifters are assumed to be teenage athletes who are very active, hence the ridiculous diet advice. It's not essential at all and the info can be had from other places in a more easily digestable format.
If it's C) then yes it's a meme. They hold dogmatic hardline stances on many things, that really are not so black and white, and they also seem to have tunnel vision regarding training goals. Much of the advice presented by SS might actually harm you in the long run if taken to heart, such as weight on the bar being the most important training variable and that cardio kills your gains.

>pitched to newbies trying to earn a nicer LOOKING body
Pitched by who? Again, it's all right there in the title of the book. It's a strength program for beginners, nothing more, nothing less.
Likewise, the gomad thing is understood (or at least supposed to be understood) to be for skeletons desperately trying to put on weight-mostly young kids in high school. Of course anyone who is already at normal weight or above will get fat on gomad. It's not meant for them.
People have to be held accountable for using a little bit of their own brain power in situations like this user. I don't see how you can be "burned" by a beginners exercise book unless you were also doing something wrong on your end.

Read the SS book to perfect and troubleshoot your squat, didds, bench, and press.

But pic related is the best beginner program bar none. This will easily last into your intermediate stages.

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GOMAD is retarded for skeletons too. even if they're currently losing weight adding 2400 calories per day to their diet will get them fat quickly. Why not just add a bit of milk instead so they're gaining weight at a slower pace to minimize fat gain?

What did you switch too? Body weights?

Ballet.

That's not Rippetoe

in general its more that rippetoe pretends to be a physical therapist in all fields and that his way is the only correct one, its specially bad in the ss forums, he also gives some weird ass cues like "look straight down" which leads to fucked up form in people with different body structures/those who naturally can squat atg

He says in his other book Practical Programming to eat 1000-2000 caloric surplus to ensure MPS, which is absurd. But the programming ideas are golden.

user was wrong when he said there was nothing wrong with them.

Post body

>Did SS
>for a year
Nobody runs SS for a year, otherwise post your 300kg squat

>asking to post body in a strength thread

415/365/225/150

Post maxes

That's Roger Estep

SS works desu. Everyone here rips on the program, but also like no one lifts on Jow Forums.

Tbh I’d recommend GSLP. I did SS and got up to some great numbers and now I’m doing GSLP to get back to my numbers and eventually go over. Micro pl8s help out a lot, I was able to get to 1pl8 OHP for a bunch of reps.

>415 ohp/365 bench/225 squat/150 dl

Truly the most unbalanced physique on Jow Forums

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