A reading from the Gospel according to John 6:44-51
Jesus said to the crowds: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day. It is written in the prophets:
They shall all be taught by God.
Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me. Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father. Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my Flesh for the life of the world."
READING OF THE DAY A reading from the Acts of the Apostles 8:26-40
The angel of the Lord spoke to Philip, "Get up and head south on the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza, the desert route." So he got up and set out. Now there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of the Candace, that is, the queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of her entire treasury, who had come to Jerusalem to worship, and was returning home.
Seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah. The Spirit said to Philip, "Go and join up with that chariot." Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?" He replied, "How can I, unless someone instructs me?" So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him. This was the Scripture passage he was reading:
Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter, and as a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he opened not his mouth. In his humiliation justice was denied him. Who will tell of his posterity? For his life is taken from the earth.
Then the eunuch said to Philip in reply, "I beg you, about whom is the prophet saying this? About himself, or about someone else?" Then Philip opened his mouth and, beginning with this Scripture passage, he proclaimed Jesus to him.
Jordan Jenkins
As they traveled along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, "Look, there is water. What is to prevent my being baptized?" Then he ordered the chariot to stop, and Philip and the eunuch both went down into the water, and he baptized him. When they came out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, but continued on his way rejoicing. Philip came to Azotus, and went about proclaiming the good news to all the towns until he reached Caesarea.
WORDS OF THE HOLY FATHER "But in order to evangelize: 'Get up and go!' One doesn't say: 'Stay seated, calm, in your house': No! In order to be faithful to the Lord, the Church should always be on its feet and on the journey: 'Get up and go.' A Church that does not rise up, that is not on the journey, is sick." (Santa Marta, 4 May 2017)
What's up with the bread talk? Is that a metaphor or something?
Jaxson Adams
Thank you user I recently lost faith in Jesus but after taking some time to think and really read the gospel I have found Jesus once again have a blessed day user
>tfw you still haven't received the Holy Spirit Been waitin' a while
Also, what on gnosticism?
Cameron Bailey
Ignore Watts, he chose Buddhism over Christianity despite being Christian for decades. He made the wrong choice
Easton Morris
Jesus inspired us to find the "Christ" within ourselves
Tyler Thompson
Is it within though? That's the gnostic view. But if it's within, what did he die on the cross for?
Christian Cooper
to my mind, christianity, i.e Judeo-Christian culture, tells you "pick up your cross and follow me", whereas eastern religions - who have been thinking about this stuff for 6,000 years not 2,000, are much more of the kind that say 'yo everyone chill and enjoy the garden of eden'. i think we've twisted what jesus was trying to tell us all along. that god is the universe, that we're 'of' that universe and as such divine, and that not only he but all of us are the sons of god. >is it not written in your law, i have said ye are gods too? > "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."
Carson Martinez
Did you forget how many other people died similar deaths after for being his followers? I believe the whole bit of "dying on the cross" and "bearing the cross" is an extension of an experience that goes far beyond "the life of Christ" itself. In the words of Christ "And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple." Many scriptures also go into extensive details of the apostles and disciples facing similar executions to Christ.
Some scriptures even indicate a type of metaphorical "cross" which is representative of the burden of living a life serving God.
Connor Rogers
Buddhism and such tried their best but they only ever manage to reach nirvana which is still in this prison matrix, due to soon reincarnate again.
>is it not written in your law, i have said ye are gods too? By this he meant judges
God is not the universe, this is a New Age deception. God is beyond this universe. This universe was created by Lucifer without authorisation.
> "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make [...] This is talking about joining the Divine Spark with the Higher Self, unifying the divided Celestial Man
Jace White
What about all the scriptures testifying to his blood sacrifice to save mankind? The cross itself isn't what's important, it's that he died a painful sacrificial death, sacrificing himself to Lucifer as a ransom payment. The cross is just a symbol.
Carter Phillips
> "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make [...] Interesting how many different people have written some version of this same quote throughout history...makes me wonder who was the first?
Christ is not given to Lucifer as a ransom payment. No scripture I know of has ever said that. Scripture indicates Christ is sacrificed to put an end to the era of animal and human sacrifice as the final ultimate sacrifice to bring about a new age for humanity. Notice how there is BC and AD "coincidentally" changing at the birth of Christ? The whole reason the Pharisees killed Christ was because he was radically changing the customs they were implementing on the people, one of the most important of which was blood sacrifice.
>He came to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many people (Mark 10:45)
Not in scripture, but gnostic teaching did he sacrifice himself to Lucifer.
>he was radically changing the customs they were implementing on the people, one of the most important of which was blood sacrifice. What did you mean by this?
Asher Scott
>God is not the universe, this is a New Age deception well i mean, it's a religion 3 times older than christianity, so hardly. i can actually envisage a way in which it could be possible that god was separate from the universe, but it seems so much less likely.
consider this.
the universe - this thing is when looked at as a single unit of energy, a big bag of chemicals and energy flowing around, creating galaxies and creating points of consciousness inside itself. Is this thing conscious? I mean I'm a bit of the universe asking itself that, so I suppose it must be. so far this entity is alive and is conscious.
reminder that no energy ever seems to be lost in this universe, so every single thing which makes you, has been around for as long as everything else in the universe. At least billions of years, perhaps all of eternity. is it possible that I think humans are just a 'bit of the universe' which provide a unique lens through which some eternal underlying form of consciousness looks inward at itself? Perhaps when one lens dies the consciousness concentrated on it focuses itself through another incarnation?
More than 50% of your body isn't even human, it's just other creatures flowing in and out of you (bbc.co.uk/news/health-43674270), like other essential parts of the universe flowing into you, like food, air, water, sunlight. The entire universe is literally a part of us, we are it, we flow straight back into it. Interestingly, if everything affects everything else in this big, swirling bag of energy, the butterfly effect kind of thing, then as conscious entities inside it, aren't we gods? i mean a million galaxies couldn't make the conscious decision to move a pen 1 inch to the left on your table, but we can, and as such our thoughts and actions shape the entire universe around us, no?
1/2...
Adam Cox
To this very day the Jews believe that they can kill both animals and humans in order to cleanse themselves of sin. Look it up if you did not already know this. Christ died in order to remove this practice. Jews dont admit that they "did" it to people in this day and age, but honestly it was common public knowledge until about 100-200 years ago. These days they only publicly display and admit to doing it to animals.
Something as simple as your thoughts, affect a galaxy millions of light years away. I mean everything in the universe affects everything else, and that's the astonishingly complicated equation we need to work out if we are to realise fully what we are. In so doing though we'd have to look at ourselves externally from somewhere else, the part can't understand the whole so we'd have to become separate from it, explode into existence somewhere else, then start exploring that too. Like we are.
Logan Howard
>gospel of thomas Non-canonical. >that god is the universe, that we're 'of' that universe and as such divine, and that not only he but all of us are the sons of god. This is twisting what Jesus was trying to tell us. >sacrificing himself to Lucifer Absolutely not. He sacrificed himself to the Father for us.
Camden Myers
Yes he "gave his life" to cleanse people of Sin and give them a change for Repentance and Redemption thus leading to Salvation.
If you dont understand what the Pharisees had against Christ you need to reread the most essential of Scriptures. They constantly held it against him that he and his follows did not "follow the law" which really means what we today call the Talmud. See in those days the book was not yet written (Talmud) and it was simply held as an oral tradition among rabbis. One of the most essential parts of "the law" was "the Korban" which is animal/human sacrifice. Christ died as "the ultimate sacrifice" to end these practices, although they still continue today.
one last thing... imagine if one day humans are so smart and tech is so advanced, that we would control literally atom in the universe and make it act in whatever way we chose. that living universe would then be a conscious, living, omnipotent entity. by whose definition that's not god, i do not know. the universe if it became all-powerful and omnipotent, would feel like it was playing a game with cheat codes. it would get bored, and it would want a surprise. if in front of it there was a button called "surprise" by which it could forget an eternity of time and launch its consciousness into a random place it space and at a random time, it would be where you are now.
if we always forget then it's an eternal adventure.
Cameron Long
Yes, everything is one when you remove the ego aspects. But God is beyond this universe. He's in it but he's beyond it because there are HyperUniverses where we originated from. This universe is a fallen unauthorised creation.
Justin Fisher
Not only that but lets go over other examples of parts of "the law" (Talmud) which Christ openly challenges the Pharisees as well as the Sadducees on.....
1. Circumcision 2. Healing on the sabbath 3. Harvesting food
>imagine if one day humans are so smart and tech is so advanced, that we would control literally atom in the universe
t. doesn't understand that satanic forces control the world and will be no means let this happen. The world is going in a direction of evil beyond imagination.
Parker Perry
The essence of much of scripture is the dynamic and differentiation between the Jewish Oligarchy which is both holds religious, economic, political and social standing in the society and Jesus Christ who is swaying the public away from the traditions and servitude of the Oligarchy. In specific the Oligarchy is "The Sanhedrin" which is composed majorly by Pharisees and to a lesser degree Sadducees. This is the group which tries and condemns Christ to death.
imagine a world in which there was only good, and no bad. you wouldn't even be able to understand the concept of good or bad. it would be staggeringly dull, and no god would do that to people he loves. evil is the necessary counter-part to good, just as black can't exist without a contrasting background colour so you can see it.
i'm not saying jesus was wrong, i'm saying that there's a massively more sensible interpretation than god and matter being separate entities. >"Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death.". Gospel of Thomas.
Adam Diaz
>imagine a world in which there was only good, and no bad. you wouldn't even be able to understand the concept of good or bad. it would be staggeringly dull, and no god would do that to people he loves. evil is the necessary counter-part to good Actual evil being posted here.
Michael Sullivan
non jewish christians don't give a fuck about the law since the council of jerusalem
Kayden Lopez
Non-canonical does not matter at all. Scripture outside the Bible can be just as valid. Much of The Gospel of Thomas is quotations from the Bible anyway.
how would you know if good was good if it was an absolute constant? you know, you can feel jupiter's orbit right now, it's a part of the gravity which made you, you just tend not to need to notice it because it has no "movement and repose T.50:1-3 " . if it went out of orbit though you and the entire solar system would know about it just as immediately as you would if it was one of your internal organs like your heart which failed, as opposed to one of your equally necessary external organs like jupiter.
Mason Fisher
>imagine a world in which there was only good, and no bad. you wouldn't even be able to understand the concept of good or bad. it would be staggeringly dull, and no god would do that to people he loves. >evil is the necessary counter-part to good, just as black can't exist without a contrasting background colour so you can see it. That's what the Buddhists want you to think. God never intended evil to be created, nor did he create it, Lucifer did. This whole universe is evil though, the afterlife is rigged with angels and demons both fighting for the same team
Joseph Barnes
>no means let this happen. it is happening. every single known living thing began as a microscopic cell, a minuscule piece of the universe which became conscious, and has now totally populated the planet and has its eye on mars. there is no reason we will not continue to progress as long as we're conscious and remember.
Kevin Foster
The point is "the law" was one of several reasons why the Jews chose to kill Jesus. He threatened the establishment of "the law" and thus had to be killed. Pilate refused to kill him initially because he had committed no CRIME yet he broke "Talmudic law".
Jose Gutierrez
You're asleep, my friend. The world you live in is nothing like you think it is. The whole world is a stage built on lies. We're never going to mars, user. Our souls are at stake.
Gavin Turner
I didn't follow the conversation I'm just shitposting
Jaxson Roberts
one of the richest people on earth is determined to make it work, and soon. we've been to the moon, dude. setting up a tent full of oxygen on mars won't hurt us, and from there, the solar system and beyond, to one day remember what we really are... then facepalm and realise we've been doing this for eternity, and hit the reset button again.
Logan Evans
Fine, don't believe me. It'll all hit you one day very soon.
Hunter Walker
whos "we"? im sure somebodies going to mars one day if we dont self destruct soon, shit maybe they already went. who the fuck knows anymore?
Nolan Wilson
yeah this sounds like 'faith', which seems to be the belief in something you don't believe in - or why would you need faith in the first place? sure you've heard that said already, but i don't think for a second it disproves the existence of god, just conceptualises the entity in a more manageable way. i also have no problem in believing that jesus was not only the son of god, like we all are, but had such a precisely perfect set of morals that we'd all be saved if everyone could act in the way he did. which few have for over 2,000 years now, and as such his message has been cripplingly distorted.
Parker Foster
>Non-canonical does not matter at all. It certainly does. >Scripture outside the Bible can be just as valid. No. There would be no limit to what could be added. No standards, just selectively building up a bible of your choosing.
>how would you know if good was good if it was an absolute constant? This is still an argument for evil at its core. It's not necessary or beneficial to know evil.
Expulsion from Eden. Genesis 3:1-5 Now the snake was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the LORD God had made. He asked the woman, "Did God really say, 'You shall not eat from any of the trees in the garden'?" The woman answered the snake: "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, 'You shall not eat it or even touch it, or else you will die.'" But the snake said to the woman: "You certainly will not die! God knows well that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, who know good and evil."
Caleb Martin
Keep believing you live on a normal planet my man. Pic related, a jigsaw puzzle of many
>This is still an argument for evil at its core. i don't get it, it's impossible to know evil if you've never experienced it because all there was was good, so you've literally never once known it. once creates the other or neither can meaningfully exist
Aaron Collins
>which few have >few None, save for Jesus. 1 John 1:8 If we say, "We are without sin," we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Liam Torres
>No. There would be no limit to what could be added. No standards, just selectively building up a bible of your choosing. Oh, right! Like Catholics, Jehovah's and all those other dumb asses havent been cherry picking scripture and constantly rehashing and reducing the scriptures they do print/read over generations.
so wait, and as such what i'm saying is that good and bad are the same entity, different expressions of the same thing. when you 'make the inside like the outside' and consider literally everything to be a constituent of 1 entity, then you see that like yin yang, when looked at from afar they're all essential components of just 1, ultimate 'thing'.
Dominic Collins
>what i'm saying is that good and bad are the same entity, different expressions of the same thing This is not the case. They are not the same. The only thing yin yang represents is the dilution of one by the other. Going by these arguments, God was not good until evil came to be and this is not true. It implies there needs to be evil for God to be good.
Landon Bennett
Thanks for the pic. Saved/10
Jack Perry
>It implies there needs to be evil for God to be good. no it absolutely demands it if we're to be even remotely conscious of it happening. are you aware of the blood flowing around your veins right now, or is it just a constant which you've literally never noticed?
Samuel Edwards
Fuck off, Christcuck. Your religion isn't real, nor does it offer anything of value.
If you had a good childhood then you knew good before you knew evil
Logan Turner
i knew nothing when i was born, then i discerned good from bad due to the contrast between them
Connor Bell
So you knew evil when you were 5 years old?
Henry Brown
i knew that vegetables made me cry and ice cream didn't
Sebastian Brown
>good >evil
You are spooked as fuck.
"Form is Emptiness, and Emptiness is Form... All phenomena are devoid of characteristics. They are not created, nor destroyed; they are not pure, nor are they defiled; they do not increase, nor do they diminish."
>Pic related What sort of silliness did you scratch out in MS paint there, now?
Elijah Ward
Now you're just coping on me. If nothing made a child cry as a child, where's the evil?
Luke Howard
That would be an official badge for the United States Air Force
Isaac Wilson
to a 5yo that is evil. it's the most evil they've ever experienced, so it's the most they can imagine. which is entirely my point, user. you can only know either by way of contrast with the other.
But they knew the good without need for contrast of the evil. As a child I remember life was purely good, until I grew up
Hunter Bailey
not sure i'm getting through. how did you know life was purely good?
Connor Lopez
Because it was enjoyable
Bentley Sullivan
were you ever ill? had a painful toothe? earache? someone shouted at you? it rained? that is the contrast by which good can become good, as opposed to just nothing. there is no god without satan.
Hudson Morgan
>there is no god without satan. We'll see about that when he's cast into the lake of fire
Logan Evans
a crack addict's life can be "enjoyable". fucking my life is enjoyable. no, he is the lake of fire, it's his nature, and if i'd ever tried bbq'ing on a lake of water, i'd come to appreciate the option to contrast that with a lake of fire
Matthew Powell
>he is the lake of fire That's not true though. He's the devil who rebelled against god and deceived the whole world.
Gabriel Reyes
christianity is dark versus light, in an extremely aggressive way. hinduism is the grown up version of the same philosophy.
Ryder Miller
GOSPEL OF THE DAY
If somebody up there likes me somebody up there cares Deliver me from evil save me from these wicked snares Not into temptation, not to cliffs to fall On to revelation, and lesson for us all She walked into the room on the arm of my best friend I knew whatever happened our friendship would end Chemical reaction, desire at first sight Mystical attraction, turned out all my lights
The minute I saw her face the second I caught her eye The minute I touched the flame I knew it would never die The minute I saw her face the second I caught her eye The minute I touched the flame I knew it would never die
I don't know if it's pain or pleasure that I seek My flesh was all too willing, my spirit guide was weak I was deadly certain thoughts for me weren't kind A switchblade in his pocket, murder on his mind Blessed St. Theresa the whore of Babylon Madonna and my mother all rolled into one You've got to understand me, I'm not a piece of wood Francis of Assisi could never be this good
Gavin Thompson
Thanks user
God bless you for doing God's work
Alexander Miller
>eastern religions >thinking about this stuff for 6,000 years not 2,000 Christ did not create something new, and the Church was not invented by His followers. The Hebrews followed the Lord since time before history, and He foretold through the prophets the coming of the Christ. The name "Christianity" has only been around about 2000 years, but the religion was a continuation of the Hebrew faith which we hold to have existed since the creation of man. >that we're 'of' that universe and as such divine, and that not only he but all of us are the sons of god As early as the Apostles' days in the early Church, we were told to strive to be Christlike. This does not mean we can literally become the Christ or a part of the Trinity as He is, but that we should strive for the same perfection that He embodies just as a craftsman strives for perfection knowing that the physical limitations of his tools and his materials prevent perfection. Our perfection is not achieved on this earth, but in eternity with Him through the redemption purchased with the blood of His son.
>Thank you user I recently lost faith in Jesus but after taking some time to think and really read the gospel I have found Jesus once again have a blessed day user Amen.
