Abortion being illegal would be a good thing...

I don't think the person who captioned that photo took sex ed.

no one is forcing you to have children, no one is forcing you to care about them after they are 18, why should anyone be punished for this

A better question that what?
If you're referring to my questions ( ) then I didn't say they should, even though that would be nice.

I second that. Anti abortionists are self-centered retards who don't understand that people who get abortions would be irresponsible as fuck parents who would raise the kind of piece of shit that wouod end up on this board a broken mess. Then all of you fags would complain about increased traffic when it would have been better if you were never fucking born.
This entire board is a Legion of failed abortion, yet the nouveau-traditionalists insist on vomiting their archaic, dusty as fuck useless values.

Well spotted!
It should of course have said "Remember GIRLS..."

Because your OP image raised a different issue and I prefered to focus on that.
Girls give their virginity to whoever they like. If no girl want to keep it for you it means they don't like you, so your impotent efforts at trying to shame them because they fucked other dudes than you just out you as one of the undedirables and people just laugh at you harder.

>dangerous & illegal
I see no problem with this. They weighed the risks vs rewards to come to that decision.
>teens need muh abortions
No they don't.
>health risks and rape
Are a very very small portion of actual abortions performed, but I agree that if provable via medical professionals recommendation/forensics, there should be something in place for that.
Women are incentivised to not be as promiscuous -> they know who the father is -> child support. Takes two to tango.
I don't expect them to.

I'm not OP. OP didn't ask any questions.
I was the first person on this threat to ask questions, but I'm not trying to shame anyone.

>teens need muh abortions
>No they don't.
we all know how teen preganancies turn out

Taking care of the child you created is not a punishment. It is your responsibility as an adult. You do a thing, you must manage the consequences.

The issue with pregnancy in the modern age is that sometimes women have to deal with all the consequences while men do not. Feminists argue that it is moral to kill the baby because if the man can abandon a baby and does not feel like providing for it then why should they?

I do not engage in premarital sex, it is immoral. But neglecting your children, male or female, is also immoral.

>Women are incentivised to not be as promiscuous
Dubious - anyone intending to be promiscuous would use contraception anyway.
> -> they know who the father is -> child support. Takes two to tango.
Wouldn't loss of the woman's ability to threaten to abort make it less likely the man would stick around?

Your kind disrupted the perfect authoritarian society.

>because your op image
Ok newfag, reddit was a left at Albuquerque

>kill the baby
found the problem, killing a baby sure would be immoral, however I see no problem in killing the fetus which can barely, if at all called a human being
>but muh responsabilty
you are also responsible for contributing in good ways to society, by raising up a future criminal/homeless/junkie because you couldn't provide the propper education you are doing the opposite while also contributing to overpopulation, people like you are incapable of seeing the bigger picture and think every life from the moment it materialises in the womb is valuable

Men are equally as responsible for the child as the mother. The obvious next step, then, is to punish the men who leave harder, instead of abortion, which makes no sense in any moral viewpoint. Feminism is acting like a child with the mindset of "well if they get to do x, so do I!" when there are better solutions.

I agree with you that people should be more accountable for their actions. I also believe that human life begins when a sperm cell fertilizes an egg cell. Given that logic, abortion is in a literal sense, the murder of a human life.

That said, I still support abortion, simply for the fact that it's a form of voluntary population control. There are over 7 billion humans on earth, each one wants a standard of living that, given our current technological ability, will REQUIRE that many tons of CO2 and other greenhouse gasses are added to our atmosphere. Each additional person we add makes life more difficult and unsustainable for the rest of us.

I support abortion for environmental reasons. The fact that poor stupid people are the most likely to seek an abortion is just an added fringe benefit.

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There is no difference between a fetus and a child. I do not understand why people find this different. You could say that they are not fully developed but so is any human being under the age of 18-21

Making men responsible for raising their children, my solution, would work towards alleviating the problems of raising degenerates. It has already been well documented that raising kids alone is very detrimental to childrens psyche and predicts most of those behaviors you mentioned. It is, in fact, proof of why this solution is so necessary. Truthfully, this problem overall cannot be solved by humans. Only God can actually solve all these problems.

Adding to my last post, I'm a unironic supporter of eugenics and severe population control. If we have the knowledge and ability to create superior humans, don't we have an obligation to do so?

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>There is no difference between a fetus and a child.
except there is, their brain isn't at a point where its capable of real activity and neither are most of their organs, humans are by nature sentient, a fetus is not

Life begins at conception. As soon as a unique genetic code is created and its cells begin to divide, that's irrevocably life. I'm very capable of seeing the bigger picture. Arguing that every child is "valuable" isn't something I'm interested in doing, and unless you're fine with lining up the homeless, drug addicts, thieves, anyone on welfare, etc, against a wall, I suggest you don't either. Most people aren't valuable.

I already said that. That was my first point actually I do not think it is moral to kill babies. And I do consider fetuses life because a) the Bible states that god considers them lives and b) I cannot find a good argument for why fetuses are not life that dies not also hold true for children. For example they state that their features and organs are not fully developed yet, but neither are they in children..

I do however see that the issue the feminists raise is not resolved when the abortion option is removed.

So most people with brain damage, in vegetative states, or on life support aren't people? Awesome, who wants to join me in some pumpkin smashing

nicee originanolly

no one denies that the fetus is alive, its just not a human being, being alive doesn't automatically make you human, having sentience hower, does and guess what, a fetus is not sentient

Did you not read the rest of my reply beyond the first sentence? There's an obvious solution that is already in place that resolves it. Know who the father is, take them to court, receive child support. If feminists still have issue with this, refer to step 1: know who the father is.

>having sentience makes you human
Dolphins, dogs, cats, parrots, ravens, etc also have the neurological substrates in place to also be called sentient.
Hope you've never had calamari, you fucking cannibal

Of course this should be done. In fact no one should have premarital sex. There is nothing I missed.

If the woman, wrongfully, does not know who the father is and he leaves or simply runs off even if she knows who he is, she is still forced to care for a baby she does not want while he isnt. And that is unfair.

Moreover, it still perpetuates the cycle of single motherhood which has obvious, well documented bad consequences.

Ah, okay, I see where you're coming from now. Must have misread your initial post.
I agree. Which is why adoption is an avenue. Is it perfect? No, but it's a morally consistent option. I agree single motherhood is a current plague.

Contraception isn't guaranteed, so the unavailability of abortions increases the risks of having sex with contraceptives too. If contraception weren't available either for instance, that would change the threat assessment even more in favor of never having sex outside of wedlock, right? Same thing with abortions, one less safety measure is one more strong reason not to engage in the behavior.

I also think you're wrong, if women couldn't abort that'd make hookup men more likely to leave, not less. A man in a hookup is not emotionally invested in the woman and doesn't want to commit to her, and the giant commitment of child-rearing is going to scare him right the fuck off even more if there's no abortion option. That's not going to affect his risk assessment as much for the hookup, though, as he does have the option of lying about his name and avoiding culpability by ghosting the mom. However, this would rationally change the threat assessment for parents even if it generally wouldn't for women; you'd react much more strongly to your daughter dating unknown men in such an environment and would probably demand that any potential dates be men that you know so that you can chase them down later if needed.

The larger point is that there's an inexorable logic of risk assessment here. If you make more room for people to make mistakes, if you make it safer to make mistakes, you are necessarily also encouraging people to take more risks. Abortions and contraceptives work together to make sex incredibly less risky than it was a mere century ago, and as a necessary consequence people take less care when engaging in sex. You can't make room for mistakes without also making room for misbehavior. And the misbehavior in this case carries a lot more risks for individuals and society than the mere biological factors that are made the focus by the mainstream.

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This website and board alone is why I am personally supportive of abortion.

Diamonds never were considered any kind of precious gems through history until the DeBris group created the most ingenious marketing campaign of all time in the 1800s. If you give anyone a diamond you paid retail prices for you are a first rate rube.

>I'm an incel because of my morals
The shit you demented mongoloids keep coming up with as a cope is fucking gold, and the reason I sometimes browse this shithole. Never change

Yes, hookup culture is a bad thing.

Why should anyone care what a subhuman with inconsistent morality thinks?

I am a woman. I simply choose not to have sex before marriage because of my convictions.

On the one hand I agree, but the problem that will inevitably arise is you'll have a bunch more shitty parents and shitty kids. The real problem here is shitty people being allowed to have sex in the first place. If you're not fit to be a parent, it should be illegal to have sex.

>The obvious next step, then, is to punish the men who leave harder
We already "punish" them as hard as is feasible with child support, and I think women probably use rape/assault laws to get them even harder, but none of that is enough to modify the behavior or save us from abortions.

I think it's unrealistic to expect we'll punish our way out of this. The general societal understanding is that hookups, serial monogamy and other non-committed sex arrangements are perfectly okay until there's a kid by whatever unlucky happenstance, then suddenly the society that was openly permitting the risky behavior before comes down hard and starts laying on expectations and curbing lives. This is a "gotcha" arrangement and of course nobody likes that, but we all act like men are crazy for trying to slip the guillotine when it starts sliding down. I think it's crazy to act on one hand like casual sex is perfectly acceptable NBD and then on the other have this life-crushing hammer you're waiting to bring down if someone slips up even a little bit. It's a hard question though, because the other answer is basically doing everything differently.

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Does this mean I can shoot retards at the public library and it's just a late term abortion?

>diamonds
diamonds are a meme

True, but women have been slow getting woke on the blood diamond scam and they're the ones who need to be convinced that the ritual is meaningless. Proposing to your soon-to-be-wife with a down payment on a house would be much more practical and meaningful in the long term.