Some men do NoFap and it profoundly changes their life
Some men do NoFap and they feel no different at all
Why? What is the difference between the two groups?
Does the first group just wank more and fried their dopamine receptors? Or are they more anxious people in general? Introverts? Or if it's not physical and entirely a placebo, just more susceptible to psychological trickery? What is it?
I'm five days in and feel fucking amazing
It might be progress on a deeper level than just stopping nutting. Discipline, will power, responsibility...
Essentially, the disparity in perception of the efficacy of nofap comes from three major factors:
1. Have you actually dropped below your previously normal test levels through poor nutrition, lack of exercise and excessive masturbation before you started nofap?
2. Do you associate your self-esteem issues and perfomance in social/sexual interaction with your excessive masturbation (or at the very least, see it as a coping mechanism)?
3. Were you already familiar with "self-improvement" therapies such as cognitive behaviour therapy beforehand and understand how to define and assess progress?
The first point is key. Nofap has been incorrectly misinterpreted (even by those who claim to be authorities) as a method for test-boosting that will change all facets of life, like a video game stat. That is not the case. You are restoring your test levels and regaining the dopamine sensitivity from abstaining. People like to talk about how your test levels skyrockets at day 7 then drops as somehow proof that nofap is invalidated. That again fails to understand that it should not be about getting more test than ever, but about restoring to an average healthy level in the long term. /fraud/ is where you need to go if you want to want test in insane unnatural levels.
The second point is important also. If you don't associate the problems in your life with how you feel about being addicted to porn and/or masturbation, then your social life isn't going to alter very much. Again, nofap was orignally for a very specific demographic that felt crippled by porn.
And the third point is about the likelihood of you being able to objectively recognise the progress in a realistic manner. If you have done CBT, you will know that your goals don't just happen over a night of reassurances and conscious behaviour changes. It can take weeks and months for minimal changes, but it's about the long term. The same applied to nofap.
>Some men do NoFap and they feel no different at all
Some people don't have much self awareness. So they don't notice changes within themselves unless it is really obvious. I'm guessing extroverts are like this as they are more focused on the outside world rather than their inside world.
the test-boosting effect is imo absolutely undeniable, but i also think nofap is only possible in general when you have some kind of large project/career that you're working on to occupy yourself 24/7.
i guess these threads should make clear that an absolute necessity before even trying it is to hermetically cut out all connection to porn/temptations beforehand. maybe even a few days/weeks of just noporn so that your body gets a chance to react to the lack of constant hyperstimulation.
Nofap made me shit in bed.
I tried it for a few weeks and I was dating this girl and I blew my load in like 2minutes.
When I fap regularly I can pump my girl like a porn star. So im back to my regular schedule of fapping 1-2 a day. Or at the very least, fapping earlier in the day when I know I'm getting laid.
I suppose if you have ED from death grip it'd be beneficial, maybe, I don't know.
Great post
>People like to talk about how your test levels skyrockets at day 7 then drops as somehow proof that nofap is invalidated. That again fails to understand that it should not be about getting more test than ever, but about restoring to an average healthy level in the long term
This is me. I don't know if it's test or what, but it feels like a restoration to normalcy than going beyond.
that is because some men are mentally healthy and havent been jerking it 4 times a day since they got a hard on and havent been spending hours watching niggers fuck women on the internet
ITT incels low-test believing nofap will do shit
this meme is more forced than the coomers, it's pathetic at this point
have you ever tried it ?
Nofap and Noporn are specifically cures for people who dove deep into porn addiction and fried their dopamine receptors that way. It works well on depressed and miserable people, won't show that much of a difference on neurotypical people.
Though I'd also say the amount of delusional porn addicts is quite big, as is the amount of teenagers who are still experiencing that teenage hormone boost.
Placebo effect work only if you believe in it duh
Some men are porn addicts
Some men are not
not him but I did it before nofap was even a thing. went 6 months without porn or masturbating. all that happened was I developed a weird lump on my pec that went away when I started fapping again
shills use the anonymity to spread fake contrary anecdotes
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Because it's porn, not masturbation, that fries your brain. If someone used to watch porn and stopped because of NoFap, they will experience positive change. If someone used to fap to normal pictures/imagination, not so much.
Some men are based coomers
Some men are not
Placebo's are 15% effective, people retarded enough to try no fap meme are largely in the same pool of people that think placebo's work.
even though i am currently in coomer mode i know that it works because i got up to 5 days once, i could literally see my imagination growing in front of me and i wasnt dependent on porn to masturbate. instead i could imagine girls i knew having sex with different positions and stuff which was something i couldnt do before
Do doujins or hentai games fry your brain? They aren't real people and they often aren't moving pictures.
I've never used these, but probably yes, they do too. It's abnormality and violent content, not participation of real people, that makes porn porn.
abnormality and violent content is the reason why porn is and will always be better than sex
Age is very important in nofap if you are 30 or above there is absolutely no fucking reason to do nofap
except if you are addicted to porn or dopamine
Based Fellow Catholic Bro.
Are there any medical studies confirming that this shit works? Outside of the frequently posted abstracts with no other info? That's Alex Jones tier. Niggers.
based
It's the placebo effect. Some are more susceptible to it than others.
And that's why you will forever remain a coomer.
Not jerking off doesn't cure any testosterone or dopamine imbalance, it's just exerting willpower to not do something, that's an insanely low effort reward. It's not pressing that heroin button. It's building up resistance to short term thinking and simple willpower. This usually also breaks up a lot of other bad habits that are connected to it, since the reward for this behaviour is no longer existant.
no fap fixes endocrine issues in those who have adrenal fatigue in the first place due to excessive masturbation, it doesn't in itself "add" anything special if you don't have those problems
so if you're a degenerate whose libido is 90% dopamine dependent from porn and other sick shit, you excrete far more than your hormones dictate or can sustain, and you create a feedback loop of desensitization and deprivation
in those cases the "benefits" from no fap are just recovery to default health and hormonal equilibrium, how you're supposed to feel in the first place
but regardless of how you feel about no fap, the first step for every single man should be to cut out porn and social media (which is essentially softcore) and fap to fantasy the way it was intended (e.g. in anticipation of actually fucking a real chick during a dry spell)
how can i tell if i have default health and normal equilibrium
I have nothing to add, I just wanted to acknowledge that this is a good post.