I think I've beem depressed all my adult life.
I do a couple of minor things a day, get tired and fall asleep. If I force a period of higher productivity, this brief burst is inevitable followed by a breakdown/crash. I'm not lazy, I've done many things in life (30 y.o.) and tried a million ways to assault this handicap and overcome it.
But I always crash. I always fail. I simply get tired too quickly.
Has anyone here been able to overcome this predicament?
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What’s your favorite activity?
consider the fact that maybe you're clinically depressed and need medication
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zinc, sunlight, cordyceps militaris (better strain than sinesis), caffeine..
most of which you'll prob find in a sexual health supplement.
How is your libido? jacking off everyday or not even caring and being too tired for it?
Keto
Ice cold showers
Put an alarm away from your bed and do some light exercise every morning. Your body will adapt and you will feel energetic in the mornings
Unironically cardio. Even just a couple miles in the morning wakes you up fully, makes you alert through the work day and encourages you to get a full night's sleep when you're done.
I take zinc, train 4x weekly, take cold showers amd eat clean. Usually last a couple weeks, then fall off that particular wagon, crash for a few days to a week, then get back on some good habits. I've done longer nofaps, trained intensely, even "made it" at various points.
Problem is, it always slips away. I burn out, inexorably. In order to improve my life I need double or even triple the activity that I can sustain, or ever could.
Tried a couple antidepressants for a month in the past, felt no meaningful change.
It's like my connection to the fount of life has been disrupted early on. I have a good body and mind, but I can't seem to draw the requisite life force to... live.
Hey bro, I woke up from a 3 year long depression a couple weeks ago which changed my life around. I didn't even know I was depressed for 3 years before I woke up out of it. Things I did for a while before seeing changes were
>drink more water, way more water
>nofap
>limit internet time (productive work is OK, recreation limit it almost completely)
>read books
>get sun
>fix your diet that makes you feel good
Every sport I've done simply added to how quickly I burnt out...
That's fantastic!
I've woken up like that before, things went well during these awakenings. But long term... always failure, always a return to lethargy for me.
It feels like a curse.
How is your posture?
Not bad. I'm fairly fit.
Ah sucks man. Depression can be a real bummer. I wish you the best bro
I enjoy abstract conversation with people. I like lifting. I like hooliganism/adventures.
I'm a skilled digital painter, but I hate the process of fleshing out paintings. It's a bad craft for anxious perfectionists and fucks with your sanity and self-esteem.
I like building business, especially with a buddy, but can't stand mainstream people and therefore have trouble not flipping out on the whores, faggots and assorted idiots every business has to deal with for clients.
Aside from hustling up my own business I'm unemployable.
It really is.
Get outta here and keep doing the things that got you out. Go and don't look back!
if you're already living a healthy life (food/exercise/sleep/etc.), have already tried therapy and conventional antidepressants, consider rebooting your brain using either ketamine (easy mode) or shrooms/LSD (hard mode, may not have a pleasant time if truly depressed).
Good luck
Unironically drink way more water and no caffeine / alcohol.
That was my energy game changer.
I know it'll be a horrible guilt- and fear-ridden trip, but I'd do it. Would you say it can really cause a profoubd change?
>rebooting your brain
Fucking junkie-science.
Hey I've tried all the wholesome stuff people suggest here, including get a job, get a gf, get swole, etc. And I always end up burning out after a while.
I'm desperate. This is no way to live.
>I'm a skilled digital painter, but I hate the process of fleshing out paintings. It's a bad craft for anxious perfectionists and fucks with your sanity and self-esteem.
awesome, post your work?
Sounds like it could be chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). Can happen due to a number of things, and then it just snowballs with bad sleep rhythm, depressions, etc, etc. You should see a doctor either way.
I dont think so. Its not that you dont have energy. You have it. A human body produces as much energy as it needs. The problem is motivation to want to do things. Some people just have this drive, others work on pure will power. Us? We dont have anything of that so we feel tired all the time.
I dont know how to change that, because I have the same issue. Maybe therapy would help.
Short term answer would be amphetamines tho, lol.
best antidepressant is moclomebide, period. If op only tried ssri, please try moclomebide, for love of god. Did wonders for me and I had to suggest it to my doctor myself!
It definitely works for some people. There is also option for mdma assisted therapy.
It doesnt have to be that way. But it might be. Trying to describe a psychedelic experience is like trying to describe seeing to a blind person. For some people it did wonders. For some it changed them for the worse. For many it didnt produced any change. The problem with using psychedelics for change is the lack of guaranteed effects. You might want to use them as a healing tool but instead just have a laugh of your life trip. Next time you just want to have a laugh and you battle your inner demons. Set and setting have some influence over that but only some. It may require a few trips to get desired effects.
You can also try to trip under a shaman/therapist wing but look out for crooks. Psychedelics got popular so they got cheapened and forced into consumerism machine. Sacred experiences cant and shouldnt be just bought and sold, but thats what many people try to do.
Adderall. There is a reason people take this shit, it works.
Thanks for your post bro, it sounds like we're in the same boat.
>motivation
It's like I've been unplugged from it at around 13-14.
>moclomebide
Noted
Based.
It's literally burning as much energy at once as possible. Operating at "full speed." Living without that experience is living partially on, like dimmed lights. Max effort lifts (100% CNS activation) are basically the same thing.
i think your problem, and i can derive this from every single activity you state, is that you are too much in your head. you're a dreamer, and you're not alive
Why's no one recommended vitamin D3 lol?
Op take 10k IU a day and I guarantee you'll feel better.
How long can you run on it before you ru out of health?
Also, I've done it and it makes me robotic.
I've gotten out of my rut for weeks and moths at a time, but I always fall back in. Adderall sounds like it would simply make for another one of these cycles. Something more prermanent is needed (inb4 anhero).
Absolutely.
So, how does one change this?
Vitamin D3 and a Philips EnergyLight.
Buy one bottle of 25K IU, one bottle of 10K IU, and a magnesium supplement that your stomach will tolerate without diarrhea. Take one 25K IU D3 per day with magnesium. Wake up every day at the same time, weekdays and weekends, and use the energy light for 30 minutes while you browse the internet or read the paper or something. Once you're out of the 25K IU D3, take the 10K IU every day with magnesium.
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This is effectively guaranteed to fix your issues.
Is the D3 viable if taken orally, or is it only the intramuscular injections that are legit?
How did you take it, and what changes did you feel?
Thanks!
How do you go from dreaming to living?
Yes orally has been proven to work. People do bloodwork and their D3 levels have gone up to optimal level from pills.
I gave it to my 48 year old mother who was tired and had no energy all day. Gave it in the morning and within the day she saying how much better she felt. Within a week she said she actually woke up with energy every day.
For me I started taking it at 16 so it didn't do much.
I'll get some and take it then.
This dude hit closest to home though, I think it's a metaphysical thing.
it definitely works for a lot of people suffering treatment resistant depression (google "breakthrough depression treatment" for more)
first, i dont think there is fundamentally a simple solution to any complex problem. for example, while a change in character is just semantically toggling between two things, in reality, it is the adoption of a thousand small traits and habits that pushes you over into the other personality. the only solution you have is to isolate the goal that you want to attain, and then impulsive act upon any notion of what might forward you towards this goal.
second, the difference between the mind and the body is that to the body, there is no permanency. that is also why being in your head is not much about being energized, because in the realm of idea everything is and never ceases to exist. in the realm of idea, you just 'are', you have nothing to desire, attain, achieve, move towards. you become disassociated from everything, because by simultaneously being everything, you already have everything. perhaps the essence of the body is death. an idea cannot be killed. in the realm of ideas, there is no ruler, there is permanency. in the realm of physicality, the ruler is that which trumps all others and all is fleeting. maybe you need desire, or maybe you can find reason in a philosophy that energizes you and drives you. to not be stuck in idea.
for me it is the realization of how weak, insignificant and pathetic i am, and how little i really know
In the realm of ideas and fantasies, you come to halfway live and be whatever you want. It's the original VR, or porn, or dope.
You come to fulfill yourself, at least partly, reducing your actual (in your definitions, bodily,) striving. Thinking is at odds with living. It's essentially masturbatory.
The only time I felt alive is doing neonazi stuff, but I got cast out for being a fedposting zealot and a jew, even though I was true and earnest.
thats not what i tried to get across
Weird, most of these articles are about Ketamine and transcranial electromagnetic stimulation.
good and simple description for a really complicated problem in condition of many modern men
were you considered an above average intelligence/above average maturity as a kid? It seems like a common occurence for many people that otherwise would be gifted. A great mind requires better food than average one.
But lets not stroke our dicks too much. Im one of these kids and I have the same existential depression I used to have when I was 16. You will grow out of it my ass. But - to be honest - one thing snapped me out if for some time. I did 4 months in jail and that extreme situation really helped to set a few things in my mind. But the old ways are already coming back and I see no value or pleasure in everything, sigh. However what I wanted to state is that maybe there is a lot to trivial stuff about "pushing your limits", "getting out of your comfort zone" and "doing something you have passion for". And definitely there is a lot of truth in "learning to appreciate small things", because you really learn to appreciate even shitty pop music when you have to listen to it for most of your day as only form of art you can experience.
yeah its the new shit in psychiatry/psychology. Just read a lot about it before you try it, know your mind, know your body, know your dose. And test your drugs with a test kit.
Ketamine works like a traditional medicine. You take it and it changes your brain. LSD can only change your psyche. Thats why ketamine is more studied in this field.
thats one of the most profound things I have ever read, interesting observations
No, it's separate.
Your permanence/impermanence post is great, I need to think about it.
Uh just lift? Like go to the gym and pick up heavy things? Do you lift?
Lol of course I was a "gifted kid", I have a feeling the chans are chock full of fucked up INTJ/INTP/otherwise cerebral types that grew up maladjusted (as are the jails.)
I only ever did a night in jail, probably will be back for more the way things are looking.
>getting out of your comfort zone
Only way I've ever seen anything good come about.
It's the slipping back into it, inevitably, like fucking Sysiphus... you know how it goes.
We're probably depressed to all hell bro. This is a curse and perhaps someone knows a way to break it.
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You need to practice mindfullnes. Start with a few minutes of mindfullnes meditation each day and execute some simple physical tasks whith 100% attention to how your body feels during them
Fellow "gifted kid" now crushingly depressed going on 11 years or so. It always seems to come back around doesn't it? Push yourself to get out of your head but invariably back in the same old place. Fuck this
Yes
How does one truly escape this depression?
Wish I had an answer for you man. It always comes back and bites me in the ass, each time harder than a little harder than before.
How old are you?
Are you me?
I suspect there are many of us.
Anons have decent advice on getting out of a short-term rut.
But we are the ones who fall back in no matter what we do. Our endurance runs out.
I guess we have a wrong definition of being happy.
Being content is much more achieveable and realistic. Actually, you cant be "happy" all the time. That would fry your brain. I guess or "content" state just feels a bit worse to us for whatever reason, but realistically speaking we have no reason to complain.
Sounds like you need a purpose and friends. Find a sports league for adults close to you and sign up. A lot of rugby teams have open practices. Just show up in cleats and shorts. Start volunteering on the weekends. Anywhere, just find something out of yourself to live for.
I don't know man. Not being able to properly sustain activity or prevent yourself from crashing just as things start improving is FUCKING miserable.
I feel you bro i have chronic fatigue that i got from my dad. He works 27/7 construction and is high test for sure. Barely turned 51 and he still has black hair. Hes extroverted as fuck but dozes off like a baby 20 min when he sits down and gets bored. Caffeine helps but not when the body stays still. The trick is to just stay active.
You think it's a heritable thing?
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