Feminism is okay

So anyone who ages out of the draft should no longer be allowed to vote?

No not really.
This is the result of the progress you clowns wanted so much.
Abortion was the one thing they were rather right about.
>missing the point entirely

This is overly simplistic. The "second wave" was characterised by the so-called feminist sex wars, which the post-modern feminists won. Hence why "TERFs" and "SWERFs" are reviled despite being absolutely right.

Anyway, I think robots could benefit from radical feminism. Or at least enjoy it in an aesthetic sense like how Sotos seemed interested in Dworkin.

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There is no point. The classical concept of the farmer soldier, who votes because he has a stake (owns land) and because he takes up arms to defend his stake, is retarded. We aren't soldier farmers. We aren't a city state.

No woman should be property of their father, brother or husband.

>missing the point entirely
Can you elaborate? Most people don't serve and the ones that do tend to be kind of stupid, so how would their opinion hold more valuable than any other citizen?

>This is the result of the progress you clowns wanted so much.
That's political progress, not evolutionary or social progress, mind. The kids have no idea what they're doing. They lost the thread after the 60's when everyone got so fucked on acid they forgot what decade it was.

>Can we all agree that the first two waves of feminism were good and welcome, and only the last episode in the trilogy was bad?
No

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The point, based retards, is that women were and are completely coddled, and the draft situation is proof of that. That if a major war or conflict was to break out to not expect any GI Janes whatsoever, and that whenever it comes to equality for them its really how they can get coddled more.

Suffrage was the beginning of the end, pills and abortion were the nail in the coffin.

quite frankly, I welcome shariah law in the US. It is the only hope to reverse the damage caused by women in the past century.

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>draft situation
What situation is that?
>if a major war or conflict was to break out
Like a 17 year war for israel that people voluntarily sign up for just to grab each other's asses in the bunkers?

Feminists are a lot like a younger sibling. Men have worked hard to obtain their liberties and rights by, yknow, creating, maintaining, and defending their societies. Meanwhile lil sister feminism comes in screaming me too me too me too (sometimes literally) demanding they have everything handed to them in order to be "fair"

I wish real feminists would let it be known they don't like what's going on just now. Don't they see the damage it's doing?

That if the draft was to be activated again only men would be selected, and that only men would be sent to dangerous situations. Stop acting stupid. Feminists are all about equality until push comes to shove in which all of a sudden they are back to being dainty little daisies.
>whiny little sister
I like that.
They do and they love it. This is what they wanted.

No, because while we should not judge men based on the color of their skin, we should judge based on gender, since men and women are not equal. And for 2nd wave feminism, reproduction rights just mean that they could kill their babies.
No man or woman as the right to kill his or her own baby.
Also this.
How are you so stupid? I think they were referring to World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War, which took place when men were subjugated to draft while women weren't, yet men and women had equal voting rights.
Conscription in general is wrong, but if men and women are equal, it makes so sense for them to enjoy equal freedoms yet do not have equal duties owed to the federal government.

ITT: a bunch of middle to upper class white and Asian boys who haven't held down a job / work for Nepotism Inc. / wagecuck a brainlet tier service job, have never had a girlfriend or close female friend, who never fought in a combat situation, never worked a physical job, likely never paid tax, and never read a single feminist text talk about a broad, diverse and often conflicting and contentious school of philosophical thought because they watched YouTube videos made by other manchildren just like them

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Yes I agree with this. Anyone that doesn't is honestly probably just as crazy as the bitches that scream "patriarchy" all the time or whatever. All of this radicalization is really because of the Internet and the rise of "echo chambers" I think, not that this place isn't an echo chamber too. Horseshoe theory and all that bullshit

>That if the draft was to be activated again
Why would it? What's the point of throwing out hypothetical situations that have almost no chance of happening for the purpose of reducing voter turnout?

agreed. Feminazis bad

>No man or woman as the right to kill his or her own baby.
Factually incorrect your feels =/= real

>About to go to war with Iran
>Draft once again
>LOL sorry zoomers I was just joking around about no draft... well just go fight and die while we vote for war but don't have to

you use a lot of words to say very little

Nice to the person argument
>diverse and often conflicting and contentious school of philosophical thought
Assuming we're just talking about Western civilization, how?

Jews advocated for women's rights because it effectively quadrupled their voting power (Jews only vote for Jewish interests, while whites are of varying opinions). This is called consensus cracking, and is used quite often for subversive purposes.

Science and math inventions can usually stand alone on their own merits. The politicization of the process of science has come about due to (((you know who))).

>About to go to war with Iran
>don't need a draft because there are millions of idiots welfare queens who would love to play GI joe and get paid for it

Your numbering is out. The Suffrage movement was really wave zero.
What you call Second Wave is what's widely regarded as first wave, though the Equal Pay sign is not really representative of the whole wave, as it was one of the later achievements.
The real second wave, led by lesbians in the 1970s, was bad and put many people off feminism.
The real third wave, starting in the 1980s, rejected the misandry of the second wave, and once again strove for equality. It appeared to achieve that objective, and went mainstream.
But now we're in the fourth wave. We've discovered that some of the supposed achievements of the third wave are illusory, as it's still alarmingly common for men in positions of power to abuse that power (and abuse the women they have power over). But there's no consensus on how to react to it, and the backlash against those you've mislabelled "Third Wave" frequently also extends to mainstream feminists.

It doesn't matter why it would happen, what matters is that the tools are legally in place.

Women could as one giant voting block, vote for a war, and then vote for the draft to be exercised. There are mechanisms in place in this country to force men to fight and die and have no choice in the matter, while women do.

>what matters is that the tools are legally in place.
Not really, also it's not like there aren't already women voluntarily joining the armed forces, before that wasn't the case. they don't put them on the front lines, because well, you have to be pretty disposable to end up there in the first place.

Every serious military analyst in the last few years have said that if any proper war were to take place, like with Iran, it would not be possible to do what is needed to be done without a draft. As big as the US military is it's become spread too thin with too many ongoing wars

No, first wave was about bullying WW1 veterans and complaining about not being able to vote while 90% of men couldn't either

>As big as the US military is it's become spread too thin with too many ongoing wars
sounds like we need less drafting and more minding our own fucking business / not doing zionist dirty work.

How about the better option: Nobody gets draftef because the whole system is bullshit and everyone gets to vote.

No, you as well as the picture just forgot about e.g. first wave explicitly hindering black rights as well as injuring policement for no reason etc.

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>Not really

Yes actually. It's the law. Why bother denying it? You can say that it wouldn't reasonably be used, and we can agree or disagree on that. But the fact remains, the mechanism is there to make it happen. It's a gun pointed to the heads of young men, and the argument is whether the government would cock the hammer to force them to fight.

Absolutely, that would be ideal. But it isn't the case, and until it is, it's my biggest stance for women not deserving the vote.

Of course, but how likely is that to happen?

You realize you don't get drafted past the age of like 25 regardless of having been forced to sign up? It only applies to your life for like 7 years, and again the chances of it ever happening again are nearly 0% because we have people still voluntarily signing up.

>Of course, but how likely is that to happen?
I dunno if you stopped focusing on postfeminist bullshit and weren't such a blatant shill you'd contribute a more positive effect to the political climate and maybe if more people did that, they wouldn't blindly support israel?

I don't like the undying loyalties Americans have towards Israel, but IIRC all of the military conflicts the USA are involved in aren't against actually countries but Islamic terrorist groups for the purpose of gaining influence on the countries effected.

>Islamic terrorist groups
who do you think is bankrolling them by the way?

You're right, "sheltered idiots ramble arrogantly about topic they know nothing about" would have sufficed.

>"nice to the person argument"
>"how"
So I was right, then.

Anyway, to answer your question, see for an example. During the 70s, porn went through a golden age where it was abudant and even a little chique. Films like Deep Throat starring Linda Lovelace was intensely popular.

Feminist perspectives on porn are incredibly varied, with the divided reaching a peak during the "feminist sex wars". Some, like Dworkin and MacKinnon, argued porn was bad and inherently dehumanising and objectifying to women. Others argued that it was actually empowering. Others argued that it was bad, but should not be legally restricted (as Dworkin suggested) because that would diminish the capacity of sex workers to seek legal aide, etc. This debate has continued as pornography has changed. Radical feminists often deride liberal "sex positive" feminists for being naive idiots who think Facial Abuse is fine. Meanwhile liberals call radical feminists "SWERFs" and argue they're moral conservatives attempting to police women at the expense of personal liberty.

And that's just western feminist thoughts on pornography. Then there's issues of LGBT issues (transgenderism, queer theory, TERFs), environmentalism, Marxist vs. post-modernistic, philosophy of science, etc.

It's an incredibly varied field and it's hilarious to see a bunch of twenty something morons who don't read books acting as if "the draft" is some shocking fucking argument no one ever discussed before. It's Dunning Kruger in action.

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w-where are these people? what are they doing?

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No, the first two caused a fair amount of the societal problems we see today, if you don't understand that, you're a literal fucking retard.

Men and women aren't equal and as a natural byproduct of those inequalities are going to perform better in different social roles.

That's true but tell that to those that have to sign up regardless. Or, tell it to the men who actually get drafted. It's all bullshit.

>Well some feminists dislike pornography, so that means you can't criticize the impact feminism has had on the loosening of sexual restrictions.

Shut the fuck up and go jerk off to some more Contrapoints you literal nigger. My God, imagine trying to LARP as a fucking feminist intellectual on Jow Forums of all places, and name dropping Dworkin. You really took a deep dive, didn't you?

It's a modern "art" exhibit.

Those are parents and her hapa daughter. The original image doesn't have porn, but actually pieces of art, but those porn pics are of the daughter. She's from a rich family, yet did porn regardless of having no need to. It's usually used as an example of how some women are such whores they will do porn (or be sluts in general I guess) for the sake of doing it despite having nothing to gain from it.

>tell that to those that have to sign up regardless
I just did. And they still won't take anyone if they have some kind of mental illness or aren't healthy, and they won't draft anyone before they use up the people who are already enlisted. I am of the opinion that we should focus on reducing the amount of live troops needed in battle anyway, and focus more on using machines.

>not knowing about Mayli or reverse image search
You're a newfag and need to lurk more

>thinks I like that troon or trannies of any sort
Thanks for proving my point about how you fags only watch YouTube videos. You seem upset.

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>being too stupid to realize it's a shop

Former pornographic model had an art exhibit, and invited her parents. Friendly Jow Forums posters photoshopped her pornographic scenes on top of her art for comedic effect.

Imagine being such a buttmad contrarian that you outright lie to support your views lmao

No. Slippery slope. The first is terrible. Degradation of culture. Pandoras box.

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>You're a newfag and need to lurk more
I'm not a newfag, i just don't watch this disgusting shit ever.

It was a joke you fucking mong

I guess summed up a pretty well reply. Many of the important feminist beliefs in contemporary Western society seem to be rather agreed upon by all that call themselves feminists. Like, who calls herself a feminist nowadays without also vehemently supporting LGBT people?

>Men and women aren't equal and as a natural byproduct of those inequalities are going to perform better in different social roles.
The identity "is equal" is of course loosely defined, but you know I mean. What's happening now is that they are polluting "is equal" to mean "whatever benefits me", which is problematic. We were well on our way to setting up a balanced society where the implicit gender roles would be preserved while opening further opportunities where they arose. You see how trannies, for example, exploit this to confer arbitrary roles on themselves which give them unfair advantages. That is a pollution of "is equal", and one of the things classical feminism would never tolerate.

>problematic
Don't unironically use this word.

>Watching Youtube videos
Nah, not really. Youtubers are shit. I'm not going to listen to some fat british man LARPing as a Mesopotamian ruler tell me all about how equality is good but modern feminism doesn't want that.

Great job having zero fucking argument, btw. Feminist debate over pornography doesn't absolve feminism of its role in destroying traditional sexual regulations.

Sorry I couldn't help myself. I love using that one.

Hahaha. "Educated" brainlet goyim BTFO.

user, "equality" in the sense that feminists use it is a sham. It's always been a sham. Feminism has consistently been a degenerate social movement propped up by bored, bourgeois women. Alain Soral has written about this extensively.

Is society really better off for having first wave, or second wave feminism? Not really. I'm not concerned with fairness, I'm concerned with stability and function. Feminism has undermined both.

>traditional sexual regulations
Their comparison of marriage to slavery isn't entirely misguided or wrong. if anything I'd expect all of Jow Forums to be against the idea of sharing finances / having nanny government get involved in your relationship.

>I'm not a newfag I just don't know this person who is reposted constantly or how to figure out what's going on by myself
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>rather agreed upon
That's because you haven't done a tiny shred of research. Even Jow Forums realises that there is a huge ideological divide between gender critical feminists who hate trannies and trans-activists who shut down the former's events. It's even a semi-frequent topic of discussion.

>zero argument
My argument was, "you fags have no idea what you're talking about and don't read books because you're braiets" and I was right because here you are blathering about YouTubers and strawmanning me as someone who likes troons.

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>began in the US, then spread to Europe
You fucks really are something.

>I just don't know this person who is reposted constantly
Yeah, have you never hidden or filtered a thread before? I'm sure I hide yours all the time given the trash you post.

>Marriage as slavery
Have you seen the outcomes for children raised by single mothers? At that point, people being forced into honoring commitments they made is perfectly acceptable.

But by sexual regulations, I'm talking about the normalization of premarital sex. "The good kind of feminists" were instrumental in doing that and society is worse off for it.

>newfag gets called out
>"I h-hide your t-threads...'cause...uh...y-your trash!"
I'm a little shocked you know how to hide threads considering Google image search eludes you.

>Have you seen the outcomes for children raised by single mothers?
Just because I spoke against marriage doesn't mean I support the idea that single parent households are a better alternative. You can have a joint bank account and raise a kid without the church and state getting involved in your relationship.

>Feminism has consistently been a degenerate social movement propped up by bored, bourgeois women
The thing about that is, historically these women were in the perfect position to identify gender issues and educate lower class women. It was not always called "feminism", and maybe it began going to shit when they separated it from general social priorities. But without having expanded on the idea that women deserve the same respect and opportunities as men (and they recognized where these opportunities were applicable), they would still be treated as second-rate citizens and subordinate to men, which is of course absurd.

>I'm not concerned with fairness, I'm concerned with stability and function. Feminism has undermined both.
I seriously think it was the hippies that fucked it up for the later generations. A lot of them were commies.

Just give up the act newfag and fuck off back to r*ddit. You got caught, now act like a man for once in your life and admit to it or scurry away like the newfag you are.

>forced
Also, if your marriage is in shambles so badly that you need to secure your relationship with a legal contract is frankly very pathetic.

women's suffrage was a colossal mistake.

There are literally no downsides to being the woman, the most protected class to exist in the Western world.

Actually all 3 waves don't make sense. You think there's something good about the first 2 only because you've been told so since the childhood, that's why migrants who dgaf about it are stronger
t. immigrant

No because rights should be universal not gender specific.

>implying we are all equal regardless of race and gender
>implying some groups don't need specific protections

Let me, guess - straight white male?

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Really if you believe women should have human rights then you're a feminist to some degree. Women have all rights men have now tho.

There are private sector inequalities still - pay, cost of gendered goods and services, underrepresentation in lucrative sectors, underrepresentation in politics and some media, underrepresentation in sports and sponsorships for female sports, etc.
But systematic (as in, government system) sexism and inequality seems to be for the most part gone. You can only debate about abortions, but thats TECHNICALLY equal - in places where abortion is forbidden, it is forbidden for men and women, for what its worth. Its not a sexist policy, TECHNICALLY. Still I wish women could walk away from an unwanted pregnancy the same way men can walk away from it. Some US states make it so a woman can go to jail for aborting, and in some countries worldwide you can be executed for even miscarriage if the father sues.

>give me free shit
the state of niggers

No, all feminism is shit and you should executed for thinking otherwise. It and the Jews killed society.

>Some US states make it so a woman can go to jail for aborting, and in some countries worldwide you can be executed for even miscarriage if the father sues.
Damn, that sucks

women have more rights then men because they have the right to vote without mandatory military registration.

True, women should have to sign up for the draft

also they should be court martial for getting pregnant and avoiding the responsibility of going to war.

WHITE PEEPOL BE RACIS FOR SENDED US TO JAIL FO KILLIN N SHIET.

>pay,
wage gap is a myth in the USA
>cost of gendered goods and services
If a product is more valued to a consumer it will be marketed at a higher price. That's like complaining that there's drink inequality because soda costs more than water.
>underrepresentation in lucrative sectors
Maybe because men are better at it. Stop assuming that men and the women are the same.
>underrepresentation in politics and some media
Women run for office less, and even then when it's offices such as Congress it's decided by vote. Women have full voting rights and there are a bit more females than males in the USA (and most countries). Blame women for being sexist towards women for not running and electing women.
>underrepresentation in sports and sponsorships for female sports, etc.
Are you complaining that there aren't any female shortstops in MLB? Males have much more potential than women in sports, so naturally people are going to want to see higher levels of play. You might as well complain about how an AA baseball team doesn't get as much sponsorships as its MLB parent team.
>Still I wish women could walk away from an unwanted pregnancy the same way men can walk away from it.
Have you never heard of child support? A women is free to put her baby up for adoption.
>Some US states make it so a woman can go to jail for aborting
Wow, you can go to jail for killing people. I cannot believe that.

We are unequal genetically and temperamentally that will result unequal outcomes between the different races and the two genders but that is not injustice so why should i give a shit? Why would you need specific protection?
And your pic is nonsense. Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime and are often repeat offenders that's why they are jailed disproportionately.

Eh, we basically got equality. Nobody knew what to do with that tho and didn't bother to keep it, look where we are now.

Can we also agree that terfs are cool too and that women are solely responsible for creating a rape culture?

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>no downsides to being a woman
My mom had to leave her Church because she divorced my abusive dad with they're reason being that they thought divorcees didn't deserve god's forgiveness. They didn't feel this way about my dad weirdly enough though.
She also had to raise five kids on a nurse's salary without receiving a cent in child support while my dad traveled the fucking world and bought a $500,000 estate.
Fuck you, no downsides to being a woman.