I love confident women

Fortunately for you all these hambeasts and 3/10s have confidence up the wazoo.

Middle is okay-ish, insecurity is what I find actually cute in girls.

That's not confidence, that's arrogance and ego covering up theit insecurities. And there are exceptions to my confidence fetish. Confidence doesn't mask obesity.

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Cant relate but I'm curious. What about insecurity do you find attractive.

It simply adorable to watch and something to bond about when you make it clear that you do not mind it and she does not need to be troubled or ashamed of anything?
Just makes me want to take her hand and say "hey it is okay".
If you want to go armchair about it, it makes her actually have a need for me, and that is something I prefer in girls.

Your "confident" girls there (aside from simply looking like they are showing off their brand shit)
just make me think
>okay babes, stay in your long rehearsed little pose and look pretty, we are both of zero use to each other and better off not coming withiin armlength since I might mess your hair up or w/e
Nothing that makes me interested, no reason to even bother with her imo unless you simply aim to be seen with her by others

YES
>When they have clearly not normally feminine features like armpit hair/short head hair/muscular arms and are still completely confident
OOOH yes please

You're confusing confidence with being fake, high maintenance and stuck up. Not what I'm talking about But it's a common misconception desu. You seem like you want more of a father-daughter thing when I want a woman and I to be equals. Or maybe it's because they gave qualities that I'd like to see in myself.

> fake, high maintenance and stuck up
That IS what all your picture there suggest and frankly what I always feel about the sort of women you speak about.
That confidence always feels fake as fuck, and in my experience they turn toward pretty shrill hysterics as soon as something random happens and their facade cracks.

And yeah, I like subby women and some girls I were close to were very into DDlg so that is perhaps not too far off the truth.

>That IS what all your picture there suggest
That's what you got out of the pictures. Of course they're posing and being somewhat fake, they're taking pictures.
>That confidence always feels fake as fuck
To you maybe. People who lack confidence tend to project their feelings onto others. You've obviously never been around a truly confident and charismatic woman who tries to make everyone feel as good as she does about herself. Your only experience is with egotistical Stacys whose whole persona is based around male attention. They're the ones who crumble when something goes wrong. That's ego, not confidence.

Yeah I am sure you are tremendous expert in confidence and ego, asking on Jow Forums if some else likes your sort of girls and making rather thinly veiled attempts to belittle anyone who disagrees.

Didn't say I was an expert but I do know the difference. You yourself seem to be egotistical but not very confident. I say that because you equate confidence and being self assured with being fake and arrogant. This is something unconfident people do, I notice.
>belittle anyone who disagrees.
That's literally just something you came up with

You do persay not notice much, which might be partly be why a pretty premade pose titillates you so easily. And you were sure interested enough in trying to fish said difference of opinion out, no?

Lol it's not the poses that I like. These are just pictures of famous women who have the confidence that I find attractive. In the op, I talked about falling for a girl that was kinda ugly just because she was confident, had really high self esteem and carried herself that way.
She wasn't insecure about her looks, she dressed really well, walked with feminine confidence, was smart, was actually funny as fuck. I loved that about her. These are ytsius that a lot of women lack and it's unattractive to me when they lack them
>And you were sure interested enough in trying to fish said difference of opinion out, no?
Yes I like having discussions with people who don't agree with me. I don't want to hear only my opinions 24/7. I like to make unpopular opinion threads.

>These are ytsius that a lot of women lack
*These are traits that s lot of women lack

Same here in some aspects, not necessarily the bad part but the confidence, when you can look at her face and you know she won't take shit lying down, that's hot as fuck.

>I don't want some homely looking insecure girl with social anxiety
the reason I want that myself is because I have horrible anxiety and self-esteem. A confident, social woman would overwhelm me, and I'd never be able to shake the feeling that I'm not living up to her social standards. Meanwhile if I had a girl that was just as much of a loser as I was we could improve together.

The trouble I had with those girls is that it was ALL a pose. Nicely memorized and with a lot of them handy, especially with the smarter ones.

Until a glass random slips out of their hands, someone steps on her toe in a busy line, or she wasn't quite dressed for the random rainshower.

As said, shrill hysterics ensued pretty easily then and I frankly didn't like the character revealed in those moments that were not covered in her playbook. Which I admit might only been the ones I had contact with, and they sure turned me away from closing in on that general type of girl again. Once disappointed twice shy.
You might simply have come across a far better version of human under the facade.

Can relate somewhat. I've always been attracted to confident types but I didn't want to be around them because they made me feel even more insecure than I already was. The worst part about having this preference but also being insecure is that these girls sense your insecurity and start acting like a mother or big sister towards you, which is embarrassing and emasculating if you don't have a mommy gf fetish.

That actually sounds nice to me (although I could be wrong since I've never had a girlfriend before) but even with that I'd still be constantly worried that she'd want a guy as equally confident as her, which obviously isn't me.

your definition of confidence is very wishy-washy and you seem to be just moving goalposts throughout the whole thread. i'd like you to define confidence in more exact terms.

I've definitely known girls like the ones your describing but I wouldn't call them confident. These are the same kinds of girls that are also generally negative people and thrive off of attention. Instead of simply having confidence in their own beauty, they have to constantly be validated. They go into hysterics so often because they're actively trying to be perfect and their ego doesn't know how to handle it when things aren't perfect. The girls I like know that they're imperfect and don't mind it.

I knew another girl, she was really skinny with not much ass or tits but she had a sense of humor about it and obviously didn't let it bother her. I loved that.

The terrible women you're describing though, I wouldn't expect anyone but these retards who fetishize shit like BPD to tolerate that insanity.

Not him but I'm going to have to agree. Confidence makes women appear more attractive. I know this girl I liked me and I liked her, she was cute but she was always anxious and unsure of herself. Constantly calling herself ugly and beating herself up over everything. Of course I comforted her and she appreciated it, but in those moments I felt genuine disgust and pity for her, how she treated herself like she had no worth made her come off as unattractive and pathetic because she doesn't understand her self worth.

A confident woman, a woman who understands herself and her looks, one who overcame insecurities and embraced them, one who doesn't need to constantly be reminded that they look good. That's attractive. Like the other guy said, you're mixing up ego with confidence. Not every confident girl is throwing up a facade or act, those are the girls who still have insecurities, but instead of accepting them, they pretend they aren't there and lie to themselves. That's not confidence. You just haven't seen it yet

I don't know how much more exact I can make it. Confidence is being able to trust yourself, not second guessing everything you do, high self esteem, knowing your own worth, not tolerating disrespect or poor treatment, taking pride in yourself.

A lot of women have confidence, which is attractive, but I like it even more when women express it in a way that's more unapologetic and cocky. I like when they're self assured. They're not looking for validation because they've already validated themselves. Theyre not looking to anyone else for guidance because they guide themselves. But they also dont think they're better than others and constantly feel the need to prove that they're better. They're charismatic so they're nice to be around and they make you feel better about yourself.

It's hard to describe it without saying exactly what I said in the op

And not too interested in it either I'll admit.
As said, that sort of 'aura' that you guys seem to enjoy to bask in makes me simply think okay, go be confident but don't bother me with it

The anxious and insecure one that mentions, that is where I see a reason to be with her and help her find that worth.

I see you're a man of culture as well! It's too bad that (at least in my experience) it's rare to see truly confident women, but when you do, well, I'd definately ask one out on a date, because I'd know she'd be damn worth getting to know at the very least, so even if we decided we weren't to date, I'd try to have her in my life, because truly confident people are good to have around, as friends or otherwise.

>Constantly calling herself ugly and beating herself up over everything. Of course I comforted her and she appreciated it, but in those moments I felt genuine disgust and pity for her, how she treated herself like she had no worth made her come off as unattractive and pathetic because she doesn't understand her self worth
I hate that shit Pham. Girls who nitpick themselves and need to point out every fucking imperfection they have. Women and people in general don't realize how pathetic it looks.

In life what you do is take the good with all that's bad. If you see room for improvement and feel like improving, you should go for it, out of your own will, to be confident is not to have things you feel less secure about or to think yourself flawless, just like being brave is not to be fearless. To be confident is to be able to disregard all that and refuse to let it stop you from walking the road you walk. We all should aspire to be confident.

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If a woman treats you like a little brother or a son, she most likely has no attraction to you, she sees you like a child. It wouldn't be so emasculating if she had pedophilic tendencies and taking a motherly role was her fetish, but I know once a girl talks to me like I'm a cute little kid, she sees me as asexual.

Man this post reeks of autism

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why, did you have to look up words?

Sounds like savior complex desu

>The anxious and insecure one that (You) mentions, that is where I see a reason to be with her and help her find that worth.
I'm confused. That doesn't really make sense. So you don't find confident girls, or girls that understand their worth attractive or don't want to be near a woman with that "aura", but you want to help an insecure girl who isn't at that point get there at some point? Wouldn't she just give off that same "aura" that you just said you didn't care to be around? It's all the same isn't it? To me it just sounds like you want to give a reason for the girl to keep you around after she's already at that point, otherwise she'd just ditch you for a confident man once she realizes she wouldn't need you or she could do better

You're probably right. He has no use for a woman with self worth because he thinks they don't need him. He wants a woman that he can fix so that she's grateful, attached and indebted to him.

Did you really just assume insecurity vs confident (imo overconfident) a binary switch?

There's an aura and energy that comes with being confident, no exceptions. If you help a woman become confident, she will have that aura. It's not an overconfident thing.

it is very much an overconfident thing.
The same stupidity that for ex. lets a qt take a solo backpack trip in durkistan and thinking "oh all will go well".

To stay with that example, you are assuming I can get a hiki femanon who has been too uncertain to leave even the house into that rather blind self assurance?
Lel okay, thanks for the flowers.

I wouldn't call it a binary switch. It's not something anybody can just turn on, and we all know that. But helping a woman become less insecure (more confident) over time, it's a feeling that can grow stronger, eventually getting to that point.

Jesus christ, dude. How disingenuous can you be? Are you saying that because some girl has been uncertain to even leave their house, it's impossible to get her to overcome it? Confidence is not the same as overconfidence at all. You may not be able to get her to say, "all will go well", but over time someone would be able to be led into thinking, "well, what's the harm in trying?". It's those subtle changes that can eventually lead someone into becoming more confident with everything around them. What an awful example.

>The same stupidity that for ex. lets a qt take a solo backpack trip in durkistan and thinking "oh all will go well
I don't know what you're talking about but all confident and charismatic people have that aura.
>To stay with that example, you are assuming I can get a hiki femanon who has been too uncertain to leave even the house into that rather blind self assurance?
>blind self assurance
Why do you make having confidence sound like such a negative thing? Like you have to be a complete asshole to have self love.

You're talking as if you can save a f*manon from her insecurities, that implies you can give her confidence and eventually give her that glow.

What is it about fixing people that you enjoy?

That sort of shit that Op is talking about IS plain overconfidence though, at least in my book.
It is the sort of
>hurr I can deal with anything even if I do not even know what to expect, and I sure don't need your help.
attitude.
At that point I'll say, "oh okay, then off you go."
What wrong with that? She either wants my help or she does not, her call.

>hurr I can deal with anything even if I do not even know what to expect, and I sure don't need your help
That's not what I was describing though. You came up with that on your own. I was talking about self worth, self love, self trust and these things manifesting in body language and physical presentation, not blind arrogance. You must have a certain girl in mind that I reminded you of.

Yeah and I have little interest in being around confident and charismatic people. They tend to become pretty blind to their surroundings and assume that everything they do will just work out somehow. Which leads them to not questioning themself anymore unless something does indeed go wrong.
And they get very pissy if you should see a troublespot or flaw and point that out in advance.
So you can either let them stumble (which I really dislike seeing people I care about doing) or I get on their bad side by pointing that flaw out unasked.

Damn if do, Damned if I don't, which is why I avoid staying too close involved with people acting that way.

>Like you have to be a complete asshole to have self love.
Honestly that is how people like that often act imo, yes.

>And they get very pissy if you should see a troublespot or flaw and point that out in advance.
So you can either let them stumble (which I really dislike seeing people I care about doing) or I get on their bad side by pointing that flaw out unasked.
>Honestly that is how people like that often act imo, yes.
I really need you to look up the difference between confidence and ego because you keep describing someone who doesn't want to have their ego shattered. Being mad when someone points out a flaw isn't confident behavior, thats "you're shattering my self perception of perfection and I don't like it" egotistical behavior.

Have you truly never met a confident person in your life? It sounds like everyone you meet who has anything positive to say about themselves is also a narcissist with a fragile ego who can't handle the possibility of not being perfect. Either that or you're origecting that onto them which seems more likely, no offense.

>You must have a certain girl in mind that I reminded you of.
Must I? Hey, half of the guys I know act that very same way all their life.
It is just that with a guy I give no fucks, if a girl you are involved with acts that way, it does become somewhat hurtful.

You're completely mistaken. That's ego and arrogance, not confidence. You've never seen a woman who respects herself and views herself as equal, apparently. We're not talking about women who are cocky and ignorant. A confident woman is simply a girl who accepts her flaws and embraces them, a girl who can look herself in the mirror and say "I think I look pretty damn good today". Confidence seeps out and everyone around can feel it. That's just how strong it is, and that's attractive. A woman who can embrace her negatives and positives and simply enjoy herself, no matter what she's doing.
You make it sound like a woman who finds herself attractive is just some cocky Stacey who will crumble at the first person to tell her otherwise. If you think woman shouldn't see their self worth unless a man comes along in their life and shows them how, then I don't know what to tell you

Noone should assume to KNOW their selfworth. Because your own perception about yourself is always deeply flawed and biased toward yourself by default. That is practically inbuild since you have only your own PoV on things.

If anything you could only get anywhere near to an objective picture by getting a good amount of the honest view of others and sort of averaging that out.
I wonder just WHO can't distinguish between confidence and ego if you assume otherwise.

Knowing your worth is the foundation of self esteem. If you're depending on others to let you know how you should feel about yourself, you're probably annoying as hell to be around.

Will you really perceive what asshole you have acted until you had enough people you have some trust in tell you about it?

Also for the autists like you: You do not have to run around and ask.everyone, you might be able to gauge it by their reactions to you doings.

That's absolutely ridiculous. You're saying that your own self worth is measured by how other people view you? You understand that completely destroys the definition of "self worth" right? If you like women who need to constantly be validated by other people to feel like they're worth anything more than dirt, that's fine. I find that mindset absolutely revolting and problematic

>Also for the autists like you
Says the guy who hates confidence and charisma and fetishizes broken women because he wants to save them and feel like they rely on him

Self worth comes from within, Joy people's reactions to the shot you do. That's why it's called self worth. How much are you worth to yourself

Can you answer this question for me user? How do you feel about women dancing? What emotions does seeing a woman dance bring out in you?

I can say the very same about your mindless selfcenteredness, honestly.

We are always defined by others, by our surroundings.
What you can do is honestly not worth shit in comparison to the value of what you can do for others.
And you want me to adore people for standing in front of a mirror and ooze narcissistic feels about how good they look. Well, whatever floats your boat, but do not expect me to do the same.

Reminded me of the girl who was my last partner at the dancing school right now. Sort of melancholic feel, didn't think of her in years. What about it Doc. Freud?

>And you want me to adore people for standing in front of a mirror and ooze narcissistic feels about how good they look
You keep making self love sound narcissistic. This is why I said earlier in the thread that you have self esteem issues. Only someone who has low self worth would hate others for knowing their own worth and taking pride in themselves. I find it really strange that you seem to have disdain for confident women but want to take on the parental/savior role for women who lack confidence and, in your own words, "make her have a need for you". That's the difference between you and me. I want a woman to be in my life because she wants to be in my life, not because we have a fucked up codependent relationship where she constantly needs me to validate her.

I know a guy who says similar shit to what you say and he seems to dislike it when women dance. And I wasn't talking about ballroom dancing or salsa or whatever class you're taking, I was talking more about non choreographed dancing that's 100% improvised, where she's just going along to the music rather than being calculated.

>You keep making self love sound narcissistic.
That is the very definition of that word you shitbrain

And I am suppose to divine what you are "talking about more"?
That would be my last oneitis dancing on webcam. Shitty song as i recall but damn she looked cute.

I rather have my "fucked-up codependencies", worked rather well for both of us last time. And I think I rather prefer it to an arrangement of convince like you seem to think of relationships.

>We are always defined by others, by our surroundings.
I disagree. We are always judged by others, not defined. Nobody defines anybody except themselves.

>What you can do is honestly not worth shit in comparison to the value of what you can do for others
I agree. In fact, I don't think anybody disagreed with that. It's always good to help others, and millions of people love doing it; me included. This has no correlation to how you view yourself, unless you only find self worth in helping others, which is a problem on its own. If this is the case, when do you help yourself?

>And you want me to adore people for standing in front of a mirror and ooze narcissistic feels about how good they look.
Narcissism is not the same as accepting how you look and embracing it. Your definitions are nothing but twisted from your own personal past experiences with women. The truth is that you do not need a woman to come into your life and officially declare that you are no longer worthless, and women do not need men to come into their lives and declare them as worthy of loving themselves.

Lmao no. You don't know the difference between confidence, charisma, ego and narcissism and I'd be willing to bet that you've yet to look up any of those words.

Narcissism is excessive self obsession, the idea that you're perfect, therefore you're better than others.

Ego is the wall you put up to maintain a perception that you want people to have of you. If anything breaks through that wall, you crumble, possibly get defensive, do whatever you can to keep people from seeing the parts of you that you don't want them to see.

Confidence is self trust and self love that comes from a place of self esteem. You know your worth and no one can make you second guess that.

Charisma is having a certain charm about you that attracts others and makes them feel good being around you. You have positive energy that others enjoy.

There's a difference between feeling like you're better than others and simply accepting and liking who you are. Loving yourself isn't narcissism, it's self esteem lol

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Pffff.
Boy do you think women, as much as I would like a steady one again, are the only thing in life?

You think because the definition of self worth is received from others (imo) only SHE can count for that?
Or that I need some fresh dose of feeling "like I have worth" from a GF like a druggie everyday because it gets used up? Instead of .. you know, having a MEMORY, and damn well remembering all the good and bad things that others had to say about me over the years and accumulating them together to get a picture of what I am and what I am not good at and for?

Grow the fuck up with your simplifications.

That was the very saddest attempt at describing it in a long time and I think the one looking it up just now was you desu.

Girls like OP sicken me deeply. we recently had a family get-together and my brother brought his Latina GF and she was wearing short shorts and a really skimpy outfit. made everyone feel really uncomfortable. It was just gross.

It seems that what you fail to realize is that not everybody sees all of you. Someone's view or idea of you can easily change or alter the moment you do something they didn't expect. Why would anybody need the opinions of other people to comprehend what you're good for and what you're good at? Don't you know that yourself? How the fuck don't you know what you are and aren't good for? Is your entire existance based off of other people's perspectives? Does your own opinion of yourself not matter to you?

>also wonder why you call it arrogance. Arrogance implies that she's also a cunt about it.
Because they always are retard.

>these words don't mesh what I want them to mean so fuck you
You're right user. Self respect is basically the same as sociopathy. Only narcissists and egotistical fucks don't need external validation. A good, well adjusted woman needs to have a man come along and tell her she's not worthless.

His gf sounds hot. You and your family need to get over yourselves, acting like you've never seen some nice brown thighs before.

Are you braindead or just reaching now? Naturally not everyone will know about everything.
I rather doubt the qt storeclerk will know how I did in bed with my gf last year, and naturally people can only show any reaction or comment about the part which they do had access to.
The store clerks reaction will yet give me an insight on if I smiled somewhat nicely or if salivated at her like creep.

And just because some faggot on a bike perhaps curses me for being blind tomorrow night on the street , I will not on a snap simply revoke the judgment of some years of friends that tell me I see pretty well in the dark. Which over time became MY opinion, if you will
I will however be reminded that I might pay some more attention when walking.
But if 20 people within a week of nightwalks tell me I am a blind bat, then yep I might start to review my opinion about that matter, because maybe it is true and my eyes got fucked up, changes do happen after all.

Just because you listen to the opinions of others doesn't mean they're where your self worth comes from. It just means that you take others into account.

Alright, so you take people's perspectives of you and depending on the amount of people who told you something, you'll doubt your own perspective on it. It's making sense now. But in those examples, couldn't you have came to the same conclusion on your own? You seem to only see how well you did something or performed if someone outright tells you how they think you did. Do you not have your own opinion, or is your opinion everyone else's? What I'm getting at here is that apparently your own opinion of yourself seems to be irrelevant, or someone else's opinion has far greater value than your own, which doesn't really make sense

I, too, have a femdom fetish

Their opinion over the years has, taken together, has decided what that basic option of my 'value' is though.

And really it was, and despite your protests probably IS, the very same for you, do not claim otherwise.

If from your earliest youth on everyone you cared had told you: "you are a loser and you will never amount to anything", are you seriously saying you would not have it nagging in your head and by now probably fully believe it? Seriously?

Part of the answer is in I guess.

I sort of assume (how the fuck should I remember that for certain) that my earliest opinion of myself will simply been another "scrounge up" of the op inons that my parents dished out were.

>You seem to only see how well you did something or performed if someone outright tells you how they think you did.

Aside from not necessarily needing it flat out said, depending on the matter in question I might instead default to a test score or some shit.
But if you nitpick even those scores are simply "others opinions" and besides, in next to every test you'll always get scored in comparison to others anyway.

>Unlike other robots, I believe women 100% when they say they're more attracted to confidence than looks because I can relate. Confidence and self assuredness can turn you into a 10.

i want to understand too, is there a similar feeling to this i can relate to ?

As a child, yeah. Things other people say will linger in your head, because you don't know any better. That's where getting older comes into play. As you age, so does your own brain, you know, to the point where you can begin to formulate your own opinions and beliefs. If you grew up being called a loser that won't amount to anything, and you believe what other people's views of you are, then I can see why you wouldn't grow out of it. There's nothing difficult about having other people think for you and telling you what to believe. If that's the case, then there's no point in thinking for yourself or what you think you'll amount to, because as long as there's people out there to tell you you're wrong, then they're right.

Most robots won't be into women like the ones described in the OP unless they have a domination fetish. Like a lot insecure and damaged people, robots have a hard time simply comprehending how someone can genuinely love themselves and have self respect/worth without being complete narcissists. It's no surprise that an user in this thread feels people's worth should come from the approval of others. Having core confidence and believing you have value for simply being you is just an alien concept to many people.

I used to see this mentality constantly growing up. As kids, the "nice guys" would hate the Chads in school or in the neighborhood because they came off like arrogant assholes when they just had backbone. They had enough self respect to say "no" to people, even their gfs (who should've been the source of their validation) and it came off to autists like they were just ungrateful dicks.

Confident people are intimidating because they don't seem to NEED anyone. They WANT people, but they don't need you in their lives. This leaves too much up in the air for an insecure person to handle, so they search for people who are below them in self esteem, thinking that if they make another person feel as if they have worth, that person will HAVE to stay with them because now they're the source of happiness.

It's really fucked up when you think about it. I respect the other user who was actually truthful and admitted that it was about his own insecurities rather than trying to demonize mentally healthy people.

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Armchairing much on my example?

Trust me, I decide rather closely on what input I reevaluate and from who it comes..

Your option for ex. does not matter anything. Aside from you being you, (which means anything you say has roughly the worth of a fortune cookies content judging from this conversation),
anything here falls under ol /b/ heading of
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
anyway.

It's not that complex. A confident person analyses their good and their bad, their flaws and qualities and decides that they are worth caring about, not because anyone told them they are worth, but because they decide it themselves. A narcissist literally can't see their own flaws, so by all means, in their perspective, they're the shit in everything they do. Ego is when a person knows of their flaws but refuses to acknowledge them, because they value others' opinions of themselves so much they will try to keep up a flawless image at all costs.

I don't. They are too rough and i am delicate.

Yes you are a big bad sociopath just like Christian Bale in Dexter, did your daddy come back now that everyone's admitted it?

Christian Bale wasn't in dexter and nothing about that post was sociopathic

I know the feel of being not confident and sexy, but trying hard to be for someone like you and failing miserably. I feel the same about guys that are ugly but confident too.

What do you look like that can make you feel so confident you deserve a strong girl like the one you describe, OP?

I said it's attractive, not that I deserve one. But /soc/ gave me an 8/10, if you must know.

So I'm guessing you're not fat. Would you say that you're a confident person yourself and that you convey that to people?

No I'm not fat. I have pretty average confidence most days and above average confidence on occasion. I've had people tell me that I come across as really confident, which is something I've been working on for the past 5 years..

I'm attracted to them but they also intimidate me

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