Could this be the reason us beta males are being dealt the rough...

More like t.rying to help. Since the OP essentially was wondering, why not get a confirmation on his theory? My point wasn't exclusive to women but EVERYONE who has been in a relationship. But since I'm on r9k it's more ....know your audience. I was trying to help the inexperienced avoid this trap. But please feel free to waste 3 plus years on a roastie. When you break up and lose your self worth, money, and time, remember this post in that maybe someone warned you.

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Trouble is being kind and genuine and having feelings for her never seems to be even close to enough.
Like you have to be some living swiss army tool to even stand a chance.

I make big money in a job I am really good at
>but any guy looking at me better makes more money then me, wtf you loser
I am strong wymen who lived on her own for 20+ years and I reside in one of the safest nation with a low crime rate
>He better be six foot and build like a brick, able to curbstomp any threat and intimidate a gang of ghetto thugs with a raised eyebrow, just in case
I have never changed a tire in my life and doubt I'll ever need to
>he better be a full blown carmechanic with a DIY toolshed capable of restoring an oldtimer
I am nearly asexual and kinky stuff is icky and for creeps
>he better have some 8 inch dong, a full set of BDSM experience plus the toys and the stamina of a gorilla on viargra
I only listen to popcharts and never visited a museum or exhibition in my life
>but he needs to compare artworks like a curator and if someone whistles a tune on the street be able tell me which opera it was from
and so on, and so on.

And then people wonder why we say fuck it, play vidya and wait for sexbots

this nigga really wrote over 5 sentences on 4channel.

Have

Sex

Women have to deal with working against the clock, while men have all the time in the world. Not that I'm defending modern women, there's a reason I'm here. But that was to help you jerks.

had it , keeping her around is however a PITA
And take your ADHD meds, bitch.

being "understanding" of women helps noone anymore at this point in time.

most robots are in the position where even having a girlfriend and breaking up would be preferable. Normies take it for granted really, They get experience free love and somebody to hold them for years, they don;t see it like they have exactly what they have leaving the relationship on top of dozens of good memories. Instead they jsut get hung up and thinkthe universe is over because hye had a bad break up.Honestly it's a mystery to me how normies actually tell me they hate relationships because of breakups but they are constantly being in them, I guess teh companionship, the love, being wanted and somebody to spend time with outweighs a week of boohoos. Well most inkels don;t even have memories of love, not once, it sounds more like to me how normies are ungrateful how they have amazing relatioships and romance but only ever focus on the break ups. You sound very entitled and whiny, liek all normies, you are incapable of ever looking at the bright side of anything. I would kill just for some memories and experience wit ha girl even if it did end up in a bad break up. Normies in their life get friendships and dates and happiness but because of a bad break up they think they would rather be miserable alone for the rest of their lives, it's just them thinking the grass is greener. Trust me you don't want to have been isolated and alone, I've been that way for like a decade now I never had a gf or friends my life is a waste you really don't know how good you had it.
>b-b-but chad broke muh heart baaawwwww

so wachu sayin is you aint human liek you aint got emoshins n shiet? but NPC normies do?

This is where you're wrong. Usually I post here and never state my gender and I get normal conversations. But I chose to state it now because I'm trying to help. You all spend so much time worrying/stressing being alone that you are creating the self fulfilling prophecy that you will always be alone.

As for
>a week of boohoos
No it can be up to a few years, sometimes a lifetime. Be happy you don't have that kind of pain.that pain is WHY people get picky and reluctant, so I'm trying to say to find someone who isn't pining since you'll never measure up.

I'm saying to try and be positive about your lack of emotional baggage, YOU guys still have the opportunity to go into a relationship with everything you have, which is the best part. Everyone remembers their first love. So you all arguably have something to look forward to that normies don't and never will again.YOU try and appreciate that.

That's because betas are beta. If you position in the social order is on the bottom then people treat you like shit. Be glad it wasn't decided at birth.

This is a big assumption that true love is still waiting out there for everyone. I'd rather not be socially stunted and missing key milestones that you take for granted. You forget the older you get the less likely you are to find people who are not jaded by old partners.

This means the best time to find that kind of fresh love was in our teens like everyone else. What's the point of being able to put all your heart into a relationship if you can't find anyone else who is in the same position as you? That window has passed. Everyone you meet will have had several relationships. Especially women. we will never have those experiences.

Based, very

Betas are at the bottom of the social order now?

If I could not only marry a cosplayer but also cuck her with a bird fanatic you can too anons

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>This is a big assumption that true love is still waiting out there for everyone.
Fine. You're right. But then at least recognize that you don't have any less of a chance of finding it than anyone else.

Yeah but you still got it unlike me bitch

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everyone has different things, no one has it all. People compromise in order to have some shit over others. There is a lot to appreciate in my life, but I'm sure in yours as well. Just being alive is crazy.

But they essentially agree with you, dumdum.

>"unugh wuh wuh poo poo pee pee!"
Shut the fuck up you dumb cunt.

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Maybe you should take a really good look at yourself and instead of hating yourself for being a "beta" you should just fucking accept that you are. If you hate yourself you deny yourself the freedom of being who you are and that leads to copes and excuses.
There is nothing wrong with not being good with women no matter how much society shame you, but no woman has to and should be forced to mate with someone they are not attracted to. Just stop taking it personal every single time you have to face rejection because you think your value as a man and as a person is relative to what women think of you, that's honestly far more pathetic than not being so good with talking to women which is, honestly, never that easy.
Being rejected doesn't mean that you're worthless. Stop thinking like that and stop putting so much pressure on yourself to fuck when you don't have a clue how to. Your priority should be to improve your perception of yourself.Once you believe you're a good man, things will go much better for you in all spheres of yoyr life.

Nah I'm just going to go back to playing MMOs 22,000 hours and counting. At least there I get rewarded for my effort.

>ubuah doh nah uhhhh raaa baaaaaaa!"
Can somebody turn that thing off?

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Not them, but it's a crazy I never wanted and the longer I live, the more I wish I never had.

For me it's not fear of rejection... that'd be just self-validation of my shittiness at this point which isn't that bad. For me, it's fear of success. That I'll actually get the nice girl that I wanted, and she turns out to be a horrible piece of shit and I'll have to reject her then. My brain instantly goes to "what's the matter fag, it's what you wanted" mode and that is my ultimate nightmare, to painfully throw away what I desired so much.

what are these posts? I swear they get worse everyday

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i found this out a long time ago women treat all men bad, because they had bad experience with chads.
Chad is the root of all evil, because chad only dates women in the age when they are most attractive,so they become corrupted in an early age.
And we have to deal with that, know who is the enemy

You were not dealt a bad hand, you simply didn't change your cards when everyone else did.

Beating a dead horse user. I'm broken, I know I'm broken, but that knowledge alone can't fix me. It's not something under my control.

>tfw not used and abused by dating men but child abuse
>tfw have been able to get close to one other person a girl
So am I just gay now or like...do I just not date?

Chad didn't do nuffin I asked out girls all the times in highschool and they still usually chose Chad over me. It's not Chads fault it's theirs they could've dated all kinda of dudes but they stuck with the Chads.

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Begone roast beef we don't want your kind round here!

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Are you implying it wasn't decided at birth?

betas should just opt out of the dating game. women don't want your genes and women are very toxic to betas. she will shame you and resent you. all they want is your betabux after Chad kicks them out of the cock carousel.

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This tbqh

Anyone being a loser and complaining needs to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and be born to rich parents. It's pretty fucking simple.

My parents were well off and I'm still autistic. Elliot Rodger was born rich too and look how he ended up.

I'm not roast because they never penetrated me and on one else has, plus I'm pretty sure they don't work that way but I don't wanna find out.
[spoilerI just had to give/receive oral,and some touching.
most of the physical abuse stuff like burning me,starving me ect][/spoiler]

since wich age do you think is the eternal chad fucking those femals.
10% of all Man (Chads) get 99.999% of the women.
Imagine a world without chad and tyrone.
No Cuckolding, no Blacked,no cheating and if, a women cheats on you there will be another women cheating on somone else with you, just take chad out of the equation.

get out we dont want you to eat our poopoo, this sickness neats to stop

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>T. raging slut
ftfy

Imagine being so conceited that you describe yourself as wise. Imagine the sheer concentrated arrogance that one must have, the absolute unwavering assuredness.

you fucking literal retard he literally said that word for fucking word

No they dont like virgins because they think they cant be sexually satisfied by them.

but that means she wasnt nice though

Hello fellow child abuse user, want to be my fellow fucked up childhood gf :^)

IF I EVER CLAIMED TO BE A WISE MAAAN
WELL
IT SURELY MEANS THAT I DONT KNOOOW
CARRY ON MY WAYWARD SOOONN

It's funny that you think this is some clever response. Next time, if you want me to believe you don't give a shit, don't respond at all. Thank you.

More power to you, I'm not here to tell you how to live your life.

I understand that fear since it's one I've dealt with for a long time. I'm afraid of failure in every aspects of my life and find it hard to forgive myself. I grew up in a very strict environment that downright forbade failure and I'd get heavily and physically punished for the slightest wrong like not putting the toothbrush back in its place. The conditioning is strong so I, too, get very anxious about bad decision making which leads me to a lot of self-doubt and, ultimately, a state of complete inaction. The only thing I can do against it is constantly remind myself that it"s bullshit and that everyone makes mistakes, the other thing I've started doing about 2 years ago is forcing myself in situations that I'm scared of to force myself to deal with the aftermath. If all goes well then nothing to say, but if it goes wrong, then I have an opportunity to learn how to fix it and get better. That has lead me to my first relationship a year and a half ago, losing my virginity to her at 28 and then get my heart broken cuz she was a thot. After a year and a half of being back into doubt, I did it again and now I have a fwb snd things are goid so far.
The truth is just that nobody has a perfect score and if you're afraid to fuck up you'll never live your life how you want.

What do you gain from berating others? Just mind your own business if you don't care.

Tits or GTFO
Unironically and unoriginal

>I am nearly asexual and kinky stuff is icky and for creeps
>>he better have some 8 inch dong, a full set of BDSM experience plus the toys and the stamina of a gorilla on viargra
oh fuck man this hits close to home with my ex. we rarely fucked because she claimed to be asexual but on occasions when we did, she needed to be roughed the fuck up, like stuff i was not comfortable doing and she also wanted me to jackhammer for like hours.
"You can only come twice? I just need more time from you - this is why it is so hard to have sex." - my "asexual" ex

>wise femanon

you mean used up cum dumpster?

I absolutely think so. I used to give like any guy a chance, but years of being harassed, stalked, lied-to, and abused have made me look sideways at any man.

I only crave transactionary relationships and power imbalances because I don't feel sold on male affection. I feel that they're incapable of it and it's all just a thinly velied ploy to hurt me again.

>The older you are, the more baggage you acquire.

This is what old roasties tell themselves to justify their bottle of wine a night habit

>Transactional
So a white? Not bullying just curious. What's that like

First off im glad someone else picked up what i was saying but it wasnt me. But i agree with a lot of it. Not sure if it's femanon but if I had to guess I'd hope it was this guy since he sounds like what I've been through. These were my last post. I fell asleep bc I now live the NEET life.

Good larp valid advice. I was happy to see this as I loserishly woke up and read what else went down here.

Doesn't sound like a girl, used the word gay?

Had one partner in the last 8 years, never used tinder ever. If you were born me you'd be at over 1000 people now my number is small and pathetic due to super religious upbringing and doing a shit load of acid at 18yo. No cock carousel for me way too afraid of preggers/aids. Never fucked a niggnog or anyone not white.
I love virgins for the reason I stated above. I used to date exclusively virgins because I naively thought I was the one to not disappoint them. But being too young and them being too insecure and getting the itch. The rest is history.
I don't think I know everything but I do believe I'm uniquely qualified to help virgins get confidence and not be stuck being confidentless virgins.
This guy gets it...similar upbringing to me.
Not even close
Don't even drink or smoke although I have been trying to get back into pot these last 3 days after years of not. But I'm just saying the psychology of what you're seeing at work in the normies dating world not even sure they know.

AND NOW SHE IS READY TO DATE A NICE GUY

lemme guess roastie it was all non of your fault and you cannot take responsibility for who you chose as a suitor.. God help the beta you cuck into supporting you

In my experience virgins are the better lovers because they're down to try anything or they copy porn lol. An instructional, helpful girl goes a long way in this.

I understand this mentality, but I'm also curious what transactional means, like sugar daddy? Or are you sugar momma? Guys can be just as fucked up as girls.

>transactionary relationships
Is this the PC term for whoring?

Thank you female poster. I told my friend, who asked me out I, didn't want to date her because she had a lot of baggage (last relationship was 5 years). She lost her shit and went in a 20 minute want

You all consider yourselves the nice guy who wouldn't do what Chad does. But sometimes your twisted worldview is just as bad, like insecurity, jealousy, possessiveness, thinking women owe you. If you can accept it all for what it is, try to be happier on the inside, you d be more approachable to women therefore getting rid of a lot of your relationship trouble.

I bet that felt kind of good though :)

Exactly! You got ittt. It's harder to find but you d be a lot better off with not settling to support the hottest roastie from HS. Try and find the least jaded girl you can find and try to do your damn best not to hurt each other, and this will be more similar to hs dating scene. Just bc you're older doesn't mean there aren't older women who aren't just as bad at talking to guys as you are to girls.

I wanted to insult you for being a roast then I realized young girls need to hear the ugly truth from women who have been down that road and not the lies they're always fed. You found redemption.

In the misandry thread there was an image posted of a reddit screenshot of a guy who talked about hearing his female neighbor get beaten by her bf and tyrned it around to talk about how nice girls always date violent assholes and that if she had dated him instead she would have been safe so he chooses not to care and doesn't even call 911. That kind of post instantly scream to me "LARP", but the curious thing happened when it sparked actual defense of him in the thread with 1 or 2 anons expressing how they don't see the point of helping if it gets them nothing so they are directly saying that unless she fucks them, she could get killed and he wouldn't do a thing to help you and these people are the kind of people that complain about Chad.

>women get pumped in every hole by Chad and beaten and made single mothers
>expect virgin men to take them in and love them

That's a big YIKES from me. Women that get pumped and dumped should be tossed in the incinerator.

I've literally never been single no time to do cock carosel, which I assume is stereotypical college behavior. I worked 2 jobs in college but I had a 3 and a half year Catholic virgin bf in high school when I was a virgin, then another 4 year relationship with new virgin, then 8 years with same guy. I'm proof that relationships cut deep no matter what. The girls who fuck a different guy every night? They're just hurting themselves and when they stop they're going to be super crazy and not know how to undo that type of damage. But this goes for men too. Tinder will ruin relationships forever, or make people so depraved that traditional monogamy will become extinct.

Yes exactly. I want to help the nice virgins who can't talk to women or don't have confidence. But you're not actually a "nice guy" if you think girls owe you sex for being alive. If that's the case you're the chad.

right is every woman i've ever known.
left is literally satan.

No I don't believe in sex before marriage and am a virgin if you don't count rape and sexual abuse in my childhood. But when I do get married I want to be in a D/s relationship with a guy who isn't very affectionate or lovey-dovey becuase all of that makes me feel ill. I can only feel comfortable when there's a usury aspect to a relationship and a significant power-imbalance.

No I do admit that spending time talking to adult men online as a teenager was a disgusting and stupid thing to do that I've been clearly warned about. But I was affected more-so by the tons of bizzare and disturbing messages and interactions with random men I've experienced than the guys I spoke to willingly. I've gotten in a lot of trouble for ever even being in those places and don't do that any more.

What I mean by it is that I prefer a relationship where a guy is abusive or only likes me for the value i can provide him. He enjoys owning, hurting, and controlling me, and I enjoy providing for and caring for him. I feel so vulnerable and nervous about relationships based on "love" or affection and care because it fills me with dread that one moment it'll be gone. I can't see why any guy would actually fall in love with me anyway. I tend to chalk it up to some form of disillusionment. With a relationship where my roles are to support him, care for his needs, and submit to his will the rules are clear and I don't feel as though I have to worry about what I'm expected to do.

Plus if you want to pick up older respectable girl virgins go frequent church. There are some people who still live that way. Maybe she won't be 10/10 Stacy but there's probably some qt girls out there that would be perfectly happy to finally have a boyfriend they can chill together and watch movies, and raise kids.

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>the value i can provide him
So a hole. He provides money and energy and you provide a hole. And this isn't a whore?

I'm sorry to hear that and I've been through non rape abuse with my parents. I used to feel this way as well, and let me tell you what you're afraid of is intimacy. I have this problem to this day, but my 8year long relationship he's met my parents and understands. I tell him sometimes it's super embarrassing to have sex with him because of this and I always try not to orgasm because if I do I start involuntarily crying, which makes me fucking cringe. I'm not perfect, but I'm working on it. I think there is hope for you but you have to find the right person who will understand your history, how it effected you. You also have to really want it and work at it every day with someone who will respect you as a person and not see you as only the trauma you endured. I'm really sorry I hope this helps because admitting the crying thing even here makes me sick.

But they were the adults, you were the child. You didn't do anything wrong. They were the sick and wrong ones for swiping an innocence too early, and one you can't get back. It wasn't theirs to take but it's not on you.

Yes, because people want to move up in the world, not stay at the same pace.

Give her a break this is what girls around my age are taught. She's here at least trying to understand. All the little trans girls and the pc sjw whatever you call them kids being raised today are the only ones who are growing up in America right now are the only ones who are being taught that they might have value outside of serving men and I don't even know if that's a good thing. I'm not knocking the patriarchy but the programming does run deep. That being said I don't think a matriarchy would be better.

>Give her a break this is what girls around my age are taught.
Tough love. It's the only thing their broken brains respond to.
>the patriarchy
Oh fuck off.

It's also base nature and everyone tells us we need to have a husband and child before you hit 27-30 and if you don't then there is something wrong with you. The world would be a lot better if double standards didn't exist, and if the left weren't the biggest offenders of it while they simultaneously teach girls to be whores.

Guys have also been taught that their worth lies in providing for a women and her child. We need something that splits the jobs evenly. But since women are the ones who give birth, the burden falls to the guy to support her during those 9 months, while she gives up her body to do so.

I'm sorry I don't know a better catch all for it. I have no clue what you'd call what's going on nowadays either. But I mean the times growing up before and around early 2000. When girls were supposed to be girls and like pink and boys were boys who can't cry and played with Tonka.

Seems kind of long though

You're an idiot if you think that gender roles caused this mess.

No I think it's more that each generation right now living side by side had access to largely different information.

I mentioned other things such as care for his needs which include household duties and support the family through the job I attended college for, I also said support him i.e. emotionally and spiritually, and to submit to his will i.e. not be naggy and to inform his decisions if he needs advice but to go along with what he wants to ultimately and let him take the lead in things. That's way more than just have sex, not that that's a light matter as there are dudes here literally killing themselves over the inability to do so

Thank you so much for saying this.I'm really sorry to hear about what happened with your parents also. That must be so difficult to explain. Usually if I ever open up about it people tend to understand the severity and damage that sexual abuse causes but to be deprived of intimacy and simply treated inhumanely is such a difficult thing to communicate. I'm glad you've managed to find someone who loves you and find coping mechanisms user.

The guy I'm sort of considering dating (we talk every day) is really kind and affectionate and compassionate. It makes me feel uncomfortable honestly but it feels healthy to have this. I'm not sure how far it'll go but I'm willing to try affection out even if it's out of my comfort zone.

>I also said support him i.e. emotionally and spiritually
lol. No you don't. It's like when your 4 year old tries to help. It's painful and actually gets in the way, but you let them.
> which include household duties
Oh sorry. So you're a maid and a whore. My bad.

Try your best. I spent the first couple years thinking we wouldn't make it, making excuses in my head to leave. But he stuck it out and for the last 5 or 6 years we enjoy a lot of peace.

Growing up in an abusive household, For me it was hard bc you just get used to the crazy and it becomes your normal. When things are quiet you feel like it won't last. But you sound like youre aware of this so keep trying to out yourself out there even when the intimacy is too much because it is much more rewarding. But I understand the fear of losing them too. It's almost easier to date someone with zero expectations, because when they leave it confirms what you thought from the start. I'm wishing you good luck with it!

Quick someone call me a roastie I'm being too saachirine! Help me nazi robots ahhh!!

Go die in a fire you roastie scum

>saachirine
Stop thesaurus-masturbating, user.

Aww thanks it's so nice to have friends. I wish I could meme like you instead of taking internet too seriously today. I'm bored now. My flowery answers murdered this thread. I hoped I could help but now I need a distraction. I'm going to get yoink my cat. This cat.