How can you buy a gun with mental illness such as depression, ptsd, etc

Please don't do it user. There are people in your life who care about you and want to see you succeed. Trust me, your parents would much rather have you alive than dead. Please just talk to us about why you feel this way. Please user.

You won't pass the background check (no gun sale), unless you actually walked into the hospital yourself and voluntarily asked to stay there.

Or if it only happened before you became a legal adult, that part won't show up in the background check, unless you live in a state with a lot of red tape.

There isn't any. I have been to therapy for most of my life. Been on more medication than a cancer sufferer.

I tried. I really did. But I'm at the point where I finally have to admit defeat. This is just one battle I can't win.

That's good then. I haven't been into the hospital for anything suicide related since my teens. And I'm well into adulthood now. I'll do a bit of discrete looking up on gun laws for my state. Mine shouldn't be too bad though.

You don't even need the trigger part for that. Just a fuse and a lighter.

Fuck off, you know nothing about the guy's situation and you're already throwing out advice. Have some respect for his decision niggers
What's four winds? Curious. Guessed it was like Craigslist for guns but I don't see any results online of the like, just casinos.

It really does suck when therapists don't even have genuine empathy for their clients. Luckily I became my own counselor and made my own therapy sessions.

Fuck that snake oil.

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My therapist is good and all, I'm just a lost cause. PTSD is no joke... spent my entire life trying to deal with or outrun my own past. I can't run from it and for some reason every time I try to deal with it head on I end up worse than before.

So I'm just at a point where it's like what do I do now? If I have to live another 40-50 years like this I'll go insane.

Can you tell us anything more? What do you suffer from? What else have you tried? How old are you and what do you do? Things will get better, I promise you user. But you have to give them a chance.

So we're asking him about it now, what's wrong with that?

Probably didn't see the last post but PTSD. I have tried literally everything. Been hospitalized three times. Been in therapy so many years I've lost track. These last 5 years have been the hardest on me. I gave it everything I had. Did everything I could to get better (better eating, exercising, socializing, the whole nine yards) but it always catches up to me. Always. I may get a small reprieve from it every now and again, but it's a monster than never sleeps.

23 and I work a low ranking editing job. Nothing fancy. And I wish I believed that. I really did. but I don't know what else there is left to do. I did everything I (And my therapist) could think of. But there seems to be no healing from this scar.

You can get past this user. Your past doesn't define you. Just forget it as best you can and look towards the future. What can you do today to improve your situation? PTSD is no joke, but all we can do is try. And people have overcome or at least managed it before.

Nothing that I haven't already tried. I have done every healthy life thing I can think of. Eating well, exercising, social connections, getting more invested in my hobby. But the happiness those things bring fade so fast it's like they weren't there at all.

I wish I could move on. I really do. But I can't seem to pull myself out of it. I really did try. I gave this fight every once of energy I could put into it. And now... I've got nothing left to give.

PTSD is a bitch. I know that from my own story.

I think that part is when a certain part of the brain is overwhelmed, and finding that sense of calmness to recover. Like a pulled muscle.

But the thing that caused the issue might still be around. So I get that too (child abuse survivor btw)

Guns cant have mental illnesses retard

I'm sorry user. Are you willing to share what you have PTSD from? Does your therapist specialize in treating PTSD? You can't give up now because there's a good chance that you will win this fight, you have a job, you have a future, you don't know how close you are.

Have you tried thinking about why you can't get into these activities? Why does it always come back to thinking about your past and letting it haunt you?

Ask your friend to do it for you

The "be urself" meme. Man, I think your shrink was way off about that.

I tried the same thing and still felt like shit. Turns out I was actually a reserved, not meme-tier, intellectual. And everyone I was interracting with didn't even have the same interests I did.

Unless you've been forcibly institutionalised or been in jail recently, that shit doesn't come up in background checks for privacy reasons.

>Four Winds
Woops, forgot. It's just a simple 4-piece shotgun design.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=wPF_CxTKsok

I'm sorry to hear that. Child abuse is horrific. I have a few friends who've suffered from that. It really is just... I'm sorry to hear that.

My therapist does specialize in PTSD. And she's been good. I've come a fair ways but... I stopped progressing quite some time ago. I was bullied and had just one friend in middle school. Had to watch that friend take their own life. Never recovered from that. It was like watching the one candle in a dark world go out. And it's never been lit since.

I mean I can get into these activities easy enough. But it's a constant struggle to just to keep things at normal, let alone at happy. And all it takes is for just one thing to completely fuck my entire day. Any slight amount of stress could rip the carpet from under me so to speak. And I can't take it anymore. It's so much effort just to exist. Every day is a struggle just to get from hour to hour.

Not him, but I'm assuming you have a passion for helping others. Not a bad thing really.

But what I'm seeing is mostly sympathy, which guys like us get a lot. But a former colleague of mine once told me is that empathy is more fool-proof.

The saying of "Don't judge someone, unless you have walked a mile in their shoes."

Same way you would buy a gun without a mental illness. As long as you are not "adjudicated mentally defective" (meaning you used an insanity defense and/or were forced into a mental institution by a court and have not since had your rights restored), your medical history has zero impact on your eligibility to purchase a gun. In fact, it's not even a question on form 4473, not is it legally permissible for it to ever appear on a background check, as that would be a violation of the 5th amendment (rights cannot be revoked except by due process).

So yeah, walk into a gun store, act normal, and fill out a background check form.

Thanks, user. I'm still in recovery (making up for the childhood I lost), so I know there's a happy ending for me.

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Not planning on killing self, but feel like if I did buy a gun my relatives would try to throw the "Red Flag" law into affect

ugh I just want a decent Hunting rifle I can survive innawoods with, maybe a few other "funs" why is this so hard for my folks to understand? What part of "Shall not infrenge" do they not understand?

I feel you on that too. Some people have no consideration to what someone else goes through.

I've always wanted an SLR, but the town I grew up in always frowned upon that.

It's just unnecessary scapegoating, that doesn't solve the actual problem.

I can't say I've felt it at that magnitude, but sometimes I feel that way as well, and I just try to ride out the storm. I'm sure your friend wouldn't want this for you, they would want you to lead a full life, and they wouldn't want the memory of their death to drag you down, rather they would want the happy memories you shared together to buoy you through hard times. What kinds of things mess up your day? All I can say is don't sweat the small stuff, remember no one's keeping track, and try to cultivate a thick skin: you are bigger than the problem and you can beat it. You aren't alone in the world user.

Thanks user. You're right, but I don't really have PTSD, so I can't properly empathize with op. I can sort of imagine how he feels, as I feel like that some days, but I don't think I could empathize as well as someone else with PTSD could. But that is very good advice and I will try to keep it in mind.

I'm glad that you're recovering user.
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No worries. PTSD is basically when someone goes through something so traumatic, that something in their mind gives out.

And after that, anything that even slightly brings back that memory can cause the person to panic or have extreme fear.

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not OP
HOLY FUCK THAT PIC IS EXACTLY MY FUCKING REACTION AT WORK WHEN SOMEONE RAISES THEIR HAND NEAR ME FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK GONNA OF MYSELF AT 25 FUCK THIS
22 now

Thanks user. Can something like exposure therapy help? Or is it best not to try at all? Op how bad do you feel it gets at times?

I know, right? That's why I ended up walking out of my last job (no regrets either).

There's absolutely no shame in being scared about it. Because our well being comes first.

Look OP if you really wanted to kill yourself would you be explaining why you are going to do it people on the internet? No, you would tell them to give info on how to get a gun or fuck off. Just the fact you are responding to people tells me you that inside you aren't actually trying to do it.

I think exposure therapy isn't the best solution, especially in really bad cases.

I've had a bit of luck just understanding who I am and finding ways to comfort myself (body pillows and stuff).

Kind of like ice and rest on an ankle sprain.

He was vague about it at first, but I might have said something that made him want to open up.

That was more my fault than anything else.

Really bad. Like dehbilitatingly. If something sets me off I can basically spend the whole rest of the day in high anxiety mode. I also don't sleep well because I have pretty frequent night terrors

I'm still going to do it for sure. But I may as well talk with the few days or so I have left. Conversation won't change my mind but it's nice to talk regardless

the thing is I felt fucking ashamed because I shown that I'm weak to them and they can start making fun of me about that , fucking even school flashbacks again
I quit my job too im neet for 1 year already, trying to find a job where I work alone now.
this must have been my dad he is alcoholic and when I was 5 he smacked my head to the corner of the bed with his hand , got scar at the back of my head from it , now that piece of shit is old fuck me

Where do you live? If US, what state?

Just out of curiosity, are there things that come to your mind that make you feel happy?

I live in the central US. Won't say more than that. Think Colorado, Kansas, Wyoming, etc

Not unless it's late childhood things

I'm still trying to figure out the job myself as well. I'll let you know if I figure that part out.

Truthfully though, it does take a lot of strength to recognize our fear. It does help give us that assurance.

The specific state matters a lot for gun laws.

That's okay, whatever works for you is good user. Just know that people can and do live full lives even with PTSD.

Can you give us an example? Why do you think you care so much about these seemingly minor daily issues?

Why op? You're giving up your one shot at life and you're going to make a lot of people who love you very sad. Almost like what happened with your friend in middle school, for someone else. You affect others in ways you don't know all the time.

Hyper vigilance is a big one for me. But really it's just the constant crippling anxiety and the depression the follows. It's no way to live. And medications just aren't helping.

Because. I have no options left. I used my one shot of life. And now all I want is death. I can't live like this anymore. If I could recover I'd do it. But nothing seems to lift this burden. And I can't go another year like this or I'll go mad

A gun can't have mental illness you retard, they don't have minds.

I can somewhat see that. A time where there was a bit of independence and ability to see beauty.

I just finished a chapter in some random manga, and instantly had a change of mindframe. So I didn't know if it was just me.

One thing that I never understood was the meds thing. It's almost like a cop-out psychiatrists do, instead of actually doing a recovery plan.

I mean, meds control symptoms. But actually getting into that healing mindset is another thing.

But what about everyone around you? Everyone who loves you? Come on user, this isn't how it ends. Is there something you've always wanted to do? Now is the time to do it! What is the root of your anxiety? Because trust me, random strangers don't care, they're too busy thinking about their own lives.

One other thing. If socializing is something that fits you, I was thinking of something like a support group.

Some kind of close comradery, because I know that people who like to hang out with others take things differently than introverts.

My older sister is that way.

It summer come up in most states buy 44 revolver so even you can't fuck it up.if you've been to a psychiatrist it might be different but still probably won't stop you.

God this country's fucked

>this country is fucked
Agreed. They don't even give guys like me a chance to be my own person.

Too many bullies and NPCs everywhere.

I was sent to a mental hospital as a kid by a court for a 30 day evaluation, then to a kind of glorified group home for a year.

I pass the 4473 no prob

I think gun shows are what the left goes on about. It's way cheaper to book some counselling than to buy a gun and way more rewarding

I feel the same way user. Just got my pistol last week, probably ganna loan it to a friend to use once this weekend

Go to a gun show and buy one.

Wh-what's he want the gun for? Please don't user.

Opee, I know you're still here. Please don't do it, just talk to someone irl, or to us if you want, we're always here. We believe in you user. You will overcome this hardship, we promise.

Christ that's a lot of fucking effort for something that you'll probably only use once lol. Look up the four winds shotgun

I think OP went to ''sleep''
another soul to valhalla

>tfw to cope with your anxiety and issues with ptsd you've created an entirely fake persona you put on around everyone
>but you can't stop because you know people would just reject you outright for being entirely different
>it's gotten to the point where you can't tell where the fake persona starts and the real you starts

I hate this.

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