I don't see any problem with the left if the animals were bred for the sole purpose of being farmed.
It's not like they have emotions or intelligent thoughts of their own. They're driven purely by instinct.
I don't see any problem with the left if the animals were bred for the sole purpose of being farmed
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Brayden Watson
I agree.
I'd rather eat the animals on the left because they're probably cheaper, and are raised more efficiently, consuming less of our planet's resources.
Chase Bell
They do to some extent. That's why the best solution would be to breed livestock to intentionally make them more and more stupid. They have been getting dumber but not fast enough.
Liam Moore
>It's not like they have emotions or intelligent thoughts of their own. They're driven purely by instinct.
This applies to humans too fyi
Jordan Ramirez
Extensive farming on the scales required to meet the demands of meat production is impossible, hence why intensive farming is done.
The better solution is to stop growing meat naturally, and start growing it synthetically.
Pic related. The space one animal occupies is a very small fraction of the total land required to grow them into sellable meat.
Caleb Howard
i would eat vegetables because i don't believe in torching forests so you have room graze ""happy"" cows
also killing a "happy" animal is still murder
Jayden Smith
Silly chart because it doesn't compare how rich meat is compared to vegetables in nutrients. 1 kilo of potatoes is basically nothing.
Jeremiah Wood
silly post because it doesn't show how many potatoes you need to to produce 1kg of meat
Thomas Fisher
Animals are by far the least efficient means of producing nutrients as you need to use plants to feed the animals in the first place. So you're getting the left over nutrients that the animals had left in them at the time of death.
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That's beside the point though.
People want meat. I want meat. There is always going to be a demand for meat. Synthetic meat will solve lots of issues all at once.
Jaxon Reyes
This. A better chart would plot it against the energy/nutrients it provides
Gabriel Nguyen
The right looks like peak comfy
David White
Extensive farming (farming like humans should) always produces higher quality meats with more muscle and less fat, and less suffering, intensive farming meats, specially chicken, tastes like the grains these animals are given rather than a normal taste of the animal.
Yes eat insects goy.
James Phillips
Jews understand logistics. Europeans seem to think resources pop out of thin air. That's probably why Jews control the world and white people chimp out about being pharaohs, caesars, and kings (who were all in debt to Jews)
Noah Jones
Jews only have control because they are the holy cow since ww2. Their anti-nationalism will turn whites against them soon and then they'll all have to fend for themselves in the desert.
Colton Martinez
>Jews understand logistics.
Of course they do if they must sell shit overseas instead of feeding the local population.
Take my country for example, Italy, we produce a lot more than we need of every food, and that surplus, or even all of the production, goes in export to feed the (((finance))) see olive oil for example, all of our oil is imported, because all of ours quality one is exported.
>Europeans seem to think resources pop out of thin air
Euros are pretty much the most productive people on the planet, i could put my hand on it, so what you said is plain stupid
>That's probably why Jews control the world and white people chimp out
That's what happens when dumb and incompetent aristocracy takes the reins of countries, they became slaves of debt centuries ago and sold their countries to people that have no interest in making them great.
Chase Hill
exactly, they are mindless robots whose only purpose is reproduction of their genes
their suffering is just dumb, misguided instincts
as long as we spread their genes we are doing them a favor by farming them
the quality of their lifes doesn't matter at all
Alexander Price
Subhumans, at least kill what you cook, unless it's shellfish, that would be a pretty tough job.
Jace Hernandez
guys just don't freak out ok
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there are ''blood pools'' out there..
Leo Lee
Ones cheaper then the other.
It's all food and food turns to shit which I flush down.
Who cares?
Dylan Gomez
And people are higher-tier robots who only exist to make more money for the 300 richest families that run the world. Our quality of life is kept just high enough to breed the next generation of wage-slaves.
Matthew Turner
>what are pesticides and killing off every small game animal.
You have no idea about farming.
Eli Robinson
>still murder
Its not its nature. You think hawks and wolves care about deer?
Charles Bell
these animals are still castrated, and are skill raped, still have their kids taken away from them, and are still killed at a small fraction of their lives. op's image on the right may be less cruel, but its still cruel and evil
heres some videos of cows defending their kids from being taken away from them. they understand pain and suffering. and heres some links that show animal sentience
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Jace Lopez
There literally is not enough farm land to sustain an "extensive" farm like on the right side of OP's pic. The majority of the farm land we have now is used for the sole purpose of growing feed for animals. see
Jason Ortiz
>Europeans seem to think resources pop out of thin air
You mean niggers? Right? I doubt you even meet a European.
Asher Powell
The only difference between the two is the color of their skin and the kinds of worth they do. They're both cattle to the ethnicities ruling the world right now.
Isaiah Nguyen
I'm 99.999999% sure they're not really trying to cook that dog, it's probably some bootleg flea or parasite cure. Area looks like some 3rd world shithole which definitely does not have a veterinary clinic conveniently at hand so they're probably doing what they can, gotta be a fine balance between killing the bugs and scalding the dog though.
Connor Watson
Blood for the blood gods.
Jonathan Morris
You think their hiring at all? I miss killing dumb animals.
Cameron Sanchez
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Here you go retard, those cows wouldnt survive without humans.
Mother nature is cruel and if you went outside inna woods for once you would know this to be true.
Lincoln Jones
You dont understand how big north america is do you?
Maybe tell niggers and arabs to stop shitting out ten kids.
Farming crops or livestock doesnt take football fields.
Thomas Barnes
>They're both cattle to the ethnicities ruling the world right now.
So you figured out Jews run the show?
Jaxon Flores
dude how fucking dumb do you have to be to use elephants starving in nature to justify slavery and murder for your tastebuds?
like wild ox sometimes die of thirst and starvation too, but does that justify enslaving them?
honestly dude you are either braindead or being so dishonest. just accept that you are a shit human being and a massive hypocrite and embrace it. dont pretend what you are doing is not a horrendous thing. honestly kids who go around abusing and kicking dogs for fun are leaps and bounds more ethical than you are, because they dont kill the dogs. you on the other hand kill the animal simply for your tastebuds
honestly dude meat eaters are always so dishonest or delusional brainlets
John Lee
>Animals don't have emotions and don't need space
>But holy fuck killing a fetus is MURDER
I swear you fags only live to be contrarian
Josiah Watson
hawks are and wolves are not higher mammals who can cultivate enough food to sustain themselves ethically
also they are not aware of the suffering they cause because they are incapable of feeling empathy
you're basically saying
>niggers steal. so why shouldn't we?
Ethan Scott
they are cheaper because they wallow in their own feces and eat basedbeans instead of the food they're meant to eat, which is why we have tons of people with breast cancer
Nicholas Green
>slavery and murder
You dont even know what those words are.
Nature is cruel boo hoo, I'm gonna buy more meat now what faggot?
Bentley Scott
dumbasses
the animals on the right taste much better
left is in a nasty factory and there sickly
Benjamin Jackson
OH and the onions is grown where the Amazon forest is meant to be, which is where air is born
God why do I come to this board, I hate these dumbfuck genetic dropouts and can't believe they are considered human
John Price
Animals in the animal kingdom kill for fun too.
You're the brainless retard.
Austin Mitchell
>You dont understand how big north america is do you?
I don't think you understand how big the rocky mountains are. Also that the further north you go the less growing you can do.
Most of the land worthy of being used for industrial farming is already used for industrial farming, especially in a country like the United States which produces most of the world's corn.
Synthetic meat is the only solution to the world's meat problems. Vegans are retarded, you Jow Forums retards think meat isn't a massive energy/resource sink, and the general population will ALWAYS want tasty meat.
Literally thousands or even millions of businesses rely on meat in some way. The only solution to growing meat demands is to produce it more efficiently than nature.
Daniel Ross
>Animals don't have emotions and don't need space
>>But holy fuck killing a fetus is MURDER
It's not and they dont. When animals can build guns and produce good bourbon I'll start caring.
>niggers steal. so why shouldn't we?
We used to, it's called war.
Again mother nature is not a walt Disney movie, its cruel and pointless like this thead.
I'm watching a fucking raccoon eat a crab.
Isaiah Martinez
>which is where air is born
>there arent any trees in north America even though Canada is lumber heavy industry.
You're the fucking idiot dude.
Ayden Anderson
>OH and the onions is grown where the Amazon forest is meant to be, which is where air is born
That's more of an argument against meat since they need to chop down a lot more to grow crops for feeding the animals than if they just grew food for humans directly.
Josiah Wood
>the further north you go the less growing you can do.
My Canadian weed dealer would disagree.
It's not 1880 anymore dude soil farming is trash.
Hydroponics all the way with leds.
Caleb Price
what does animals doing in nature have anything to do with you? animals rape and kill their own children all the time, does that make it okay for you to do those things?
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Tyler Watson
The USA is the largest producer of onions which is why onions products are being pushed so hard to basedboys
Nolan Lewis
Farm in places that are valleys and plains and not forested areas?
Nah. Just strategically farming in plains.
Matthew Hall
>what does animals doing in nature have anything to do with you?
I'm an animal? And yes rape and murder is wrong.
Killing an animal isnt wrong and isnt rape.
Learn the definition of words.
Mason Green
People murder, rape and shit on the floor right now this very moment.
Stop acting like you have all the answers.
I'll keep eating meat thank you.
Benjamin Phillips
>They're driven purely by instinct.
spoken like somebody that has never been around farm animals
Parker Hall
Weed is a literal weed. Grain crops, which are important for feeding livestock, need better conditions to grow. Soil is far cheaper than hydroponic farming.
Synthetic meats user. It would even stop most human produced greenhouse gas emissions, seeing as they either come from livestock or are burnt in the production of food for/from livestock.
Angel Butler
are you trying to justify feeding everything fucking onions so we can cut down the Amazon? are you implying the only important thing there is oxygen? fuck off faggot I don't want your (You)s
Justin Evans
poltards aren't rational user
they think you need to eat an animal to absorb it's life force or something
Kevin Scott
>what does animals doing in nature have anything to do with you?
Wyatt Roberts
The ideal would be growing meat tissue grown in labs made possible by the means of genetic engineering. That way everybody, except some crazy anti-GMO crazies would be happy
Luis Bell
>People murder, rape and shit on the floor right now this very moment.
>look other people murder and rape, but i think its wrong to do those things because im a civilized human being
>people murder and rape and shit on the floor so i can kill animals for the pleasure of eating their flesh
>get recked you dumb fucking vegan heheheh GOOTTEM
meat eaters are always so fucking delusional. HONESTLY
like the more i interact with meat eaters the more im astounded there are so few vegans. like i remember back in late 2016 when i ate meat some dude kept making threads like this, and i remember reading them, and honestly one of the reasons why i went vegan is because every single argument against veganism is SO FUCKING STUPID. like you actually have to be a legit braindead brainlet RETARD to think like this
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literally there is plant based burgers that are indistingishable from the real cow burgers, yet people insist on eating aniamsl
YOU HAVE NO EXUSES GO VEGAN
wouldn't it be nice if you had something more complex to say than low quality meme name calling?
btw, statistically vegans have higher testosterone levels and are skinnier than meat eaters. just pointing that out
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Andrew Johnson
Reminder that the vegan trend is pushed by corporations. Rearing meat is expensive and time-consuming. Profits are higher from vegetables.
Brandon Ramirez
>btw, statistically vegans have higher testosterone levels and are skinnier than meat eaters. just pointing that out
kek enjoy your glass bones faggot
Brandon Thompson
>Rearing meat is expensive and time-consuming
why is mcdonald's so cheap?
Jaxon Jones
>Profits are higher from vegetables.
>meat eaters unironically believe this
>theres ENDLESS amount of tv propaganda from the dairy, egg and meat industry, theres ENDLESS amount of meat dairy and egg lobbyists influencing politicians, yet they think the broccoli industry, the apple industry and the potato industry influence politics and make a lot of money
how delusional do you have to be
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Thomas Nguyen
s o y beans, which McDonalds and the meat industry already invested billions of dollars in so they don't want to lose all those profits feeding everybody s o y
meatcucks = basedcucks
Isaiah Cox
Economies of scale. Imagine how hard it is to grow all the ingredients for a burger yourself.
You need a cow, you have to feed and house the cow. You need to butcher the cow.
You also need to grow chickens to get eggs, grow wheat for the bread, and some method of producing cheese. It'd be a lot of work.
When you have factories which can do all this at a large scale, and distribute just enough to everyone who wants to make a burger, it makes things cheaper.
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Here's a normie video that does a good introduction on the concept.
Bentley Edwards
the main issue here is the amount of water used to grow all the shit crops to feed to the animals
billions and billions of tons wasted for burgers
Jayden Nelson
Caring about things out of your control is a waste of time. No matter how upset you get over people disagreeing with you, you're not going to convince even one person to stop eating meat. Take your energy and it put towards something that you do have control over, like learning an instrument, you're wasting your enthusiasm.
Adam Hernandez
Water goes through a natural cycle, so it's not as if that water is lost to us for very long, at least outside places like SoCal which should be a literal desert. That's their fault however.
Adrian Allen
I actually meant to link this video
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Nathan Collins
>hehe i will never eat meat, all these threads with 300+ posts have not convinced EVEN ONE person you're just wasting your time you stupid loser, get a life nerd, hehehe meat eaters win again
the quality of arguments from meat eaters. any honest meat eater would endlessly cringe at how fucking bad all of these arguments are. honestly, just admit you are a horrible person who enjoys abusing the weak for your hedonistic pleasure, because thats what you are. you should go around kicking dogs when nobody's looking as well, why not
David Wilson
It's because pigs taste better than dogs. If you choose to eat plants that's your business. If I choose to eat meat that's my business. Now shut the fuck up and pass the pork chops basedboy!
Nathan Collins
>If I choose to eat meat that's my business
yeah but your choice has a victim to it. thats like saying "if i choose to rape children to death, its my personal choice, stop complaining you whiny faggot"
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you meat consumption entails the suffering of a animal just as sentient and more intelligent than a dog. im sure you'd be against dog farming and dog meat. meat eaters are always so fucking delusional hypocrites, pic related. the epitome of delusional hypocritical brainlet retards
>abloobloooo waaa the wittle doggies died hueeeeee
>heheheh im going to eat bacon every day
fucking SO STUPID!
Carson Ward
This bait is definitely above-average, how much though, I couldn't say.
Brandon Taylor
Instead of trying to convince people not to eat meat, you'd save more animals by convincing people we need synthetic meat.
Ayden Baker
WE ALREADY HAVE FAKE MEAT THATS LITERALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM REAL MEAT. ITS CALLED BEYOND MEAT AND IMPOSSIBLE BURGERS
LITERALLY TRY THAT SHIT, PIC RELATED. i bought it in the stores and that shit tasted identical to meat. i gave some to my 2 flatmates and they also thought the same thing, they were amazing how much it tasted like meat
in this post i detailed videos of fake meat taste testing
you have no excuses, go vegan
John Russell
Meh. Why are arbritary things like emotions or intelligence something that you would take into account? Would you not eat meat if it was proven they could feel emotions or had higher intelligence? Regardless we'll be going back to extensive farming soon enough because there won't be enough people around to justify intensive.
Jack Martinez
Yeah we need a political solution that prevents the production of cheap meat.
Joseph Parker
>because there won't be enough people around
please tell me more
Connor Johnson
user those are literal tumors grown in petri dishes, are you really dumb enough to believe it's safe to eat this shit?
Levi James
>you have no excuses, go vegan
How about no? I like eating meat. Also, fake meat is fake, what happened to the "all natural" you fuckwads promote? Go die of measles.
Isaiah Garcia
btw, "ethica" or "humane" meat doesnt exist you FUCKING RETARDS. man why is this so difficult to understand
you still enslave these animals. you still castrate them. you still kill the cow's child to make veal and steal her milk to feed your cheese addiction. organic milk is still fucking evil
you still kill these animals at a small fraction of thier lives. they DO NOT lives comfortable lives. just because they live better lives than caged animals doesnt make it ethical you fucking brainlets. stop lying to yourself, and just accept you're a fucking horrible person to kills and tortures for hedonistic pleasure
Dylan Moore
why is it so expensive to purify ocean water then? why aren't we investing in a cost effective solution instead of sucking up water from the great lakes so people can drink it out of a little bottle/eat dollar menu burgers?
Carter Torres
its made from peas and potato starch and beet juice you fucking brainlet. heres proof its vegan
Alexander Davis
i think what that user was reffering to is some study that is expecting the global population to peak and then quickly decline. Pretty sure Jordan Peterson used that statistic in one of his talks
Zachary Powell
You should try an argument that isn't based on subjective morals.
Isaac Robinson
Nobody gives a shit for the "arguments" a malnourished unvaxxinated homeopathy-chugging retard spouts.
Jose Reyes
>WE ALREADY HAVE FAKE MEAT THATS LITERALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM REAL MEAT. ITS CALLED BEYOND MEAT AND IMPOSSIBLE BURGERS
Those are fake meat. Synthetic meat is real meat just like what you'd get from a cow.
John Martinez
if you wouldn't like to be treated the way these animals are treated, then by your own subjective moral system its unethical. and virtually everyone agrees that they wouldn't want to be treated a way a farmed animal is treated, you fucking brainlet. you are a hypocrite when you eat meat
now as to the question, WHY you should stop being a hypocrite, there is nothing that can force you to stop. but dont tell me its not unethical when you wouldn't want to be threated this way
Aiden Sullivan
so your point is a question about authenticity not the actual taste/texture?
Jose Reed
Like you realize you do not absorb the soul of the creature you are eating? you dont get any super powers just because no suffering is involved you jew
Aaron Clark
yes it does. LMAO what are you even talking about, of course it does you fucking mong, who cares?
Zachary Roberts
>vegetarian = vegan
shut up you stupid fucking faggot
Gabriel Reed
All the methods of removing salt from water require a ton of energy.
You can push the saltwater through specialized filters, but this limits how much water you can produce a day. If you want to filter more water you need to build more plants which require more energy and so on.
The other method is evaporating the water. Water is a huge energy sink however, and it takes a massive amount of energy to actually get it to change from a liquid to a gas. Think about how long it takes to boil a cup of water in the microwave, compared to cooking pretty much anything else.
It wouldn't be impossible, but at this point it's far, far, far, far, far, far cheaper just to get water from natural sources, such as the ground, mountains, rivers, lakes, etc.
Consider this, the Great Lakes have enough water to supply the United States for around 5-7 years. No reductions in water us needed.
The places of the world where water is scarce tend to also be poor, which makes desalination even less viable. Exceptions such as Dubai exist however, where they DO have massive desalination plants. Pic related.
Parker Lee
Synthetic meat would be the same exact substance as what you would get from a cow, just grown in a far more efficient way.
Fake meat (simulated meat) like "impossible burgers" are not meat, they just emulate the taste and texture of meat. The substance that makes them up is usually some mix of plant proteins, not meat.
Synthetic is real meat grown in a lab.
Impossible burger is not real meat.
Charles Brown
the word vegan WASNT EVEN FUCKING INVENTED WHEN HITLER WAS STILL ALIVE
hitler was an ethical vegan. deal with it you Jow Forums retard, your idol was a s0iboy
Blake Nguyen
>5-7
wow cool not even an entire lifetime, and we are using it for fucking s o y burgers and bottled water great job burgers!
Juan Martin
Just passing by but I'll humor this one post.
>the pic
What's wrong with that way of dying, it's probably one of the most painless methods in existence, the cow is safely secured so she won't move at the time of shooting. The difference lies in how they've lived their lives prior to that moment, how is that possibly hard to grasp?
>you still enslave these animals. you still castrate them. you still kill the cow's child to make veal and steal her milk to feed your cheese addiction. organic milk is still fucking evil
Castration doesn't always take place and here's a fun fact, a piglet at that age like in the vid will squeal just as much just by being picked up as by being castrated.
They're "enslaved" but in exchange they're also given free food, shelter, household services and medical care. Most calfs aren't instantly killed, as for stealing milk a modern dairy cow produce magnitudes more milk than the calf needs and usually the calf is fed the mothers milk in a bottle or bucket so it still gets it.
>you still kill these animals at a small fraction of thier lives. they DO NOT lives comfortable lives. just because they live better lives than caged animals doesnt make it ethical you fucking brainlets. stop lying to yourself, and just accept you're a fucking horrible person to kills and tortures for hedonistic pleasure
It's not a fraction if you knew your maths, it's several years, some live uncomfortable lives, some live highly comfortable lives but the vast majority live content lives, bit like humans. They do need to get handled at times for assorted reasons, medical treatments certainly, but that on the other hand is mere fractions of their lifespans.
Another fallacy is to apply human level of sentience and particularly awareness on these animals, level wa shigau. They were born into those places, for them it's their natural.
Nolan Rivera
Reminder that eating bugs & veggies is for women and slaves.
Matthew Johnson
Reminder that this faggot vegan who always spams the board just stops replying whenever his weak "moral" argument gets destroyed.
Asher Wood
You can make a lot of burgers out of one cow. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
Luke Wilson
I'd rather jump on politicans throat than eat bugs or plants.