Why hasn't the wageslave mentality turned more robots into socialists/communists...

You are completely right user... let's just give it another try.. what could possibly go wrong haha :^)

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But people still work in communism. Usually for free, out of respect for the greater good.

Communism and collectivist systems in general have always big on "He who refuses to work shall not eat" kind of things. I think not working was actually a criminal offense for much of the Soviet era.

You do realize most of what you mention is governmemtal inteference in the market and not capitalistic free market right?

>Barely conscious in an ambulance
"Sir! Sir! If you purchase a Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich, you can save 30% on your next defibrillator charge. Do you want to use your FAST FOOD PLATINUM membership to save 20c on the sandwich (if you make it a meal?)? Please keep in mind that this only applies for hospitals in J&J's PREMIUM HEALTHCARE FASTFOOD FUSION HMO.
>*Don't respond*
"Oh well, his loss. Guess we have to take him to the McDonald's emergency room and have him pay $4,300 for stitches."

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What a horribly defeatist way to live your life. If something doesn't automatically work completely right on the first few tries, rather than rethinking and refining your philosophies and action plan and then retrying in an improved conscience, just give up completely. With that kind of mindset, you're probably blackpilled as well.
The difference, clearly, is that you don't NEED to work in order to SURVIVE. Work should still be encouraged for people who want to buy unneccessary stimuli such as technology, movies/fiction books/video games, etc. But no more forced work in order to stay alive.
We can modify some of communism's past, experimented-with principles and still retain its fundamental, core values and goals.

>Communists save millions of lives
>But look at all the ones they missed!

Those are rookie numbers compared to the horrors that capitalism has created

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So leftists think McDonalds runs healthcare and rich people pay no taxes? Yikes no wonder you guys lost every war

If you dont work under communism you are labeled an enemy of the state though. Good luck surviving in a prison or insane asylum. Farmers were literally killed if they demanded a paycheck or stopped farming for free

Would you suggest that the US goes back to the tax system they had during WW2 where those who made >$10MM payed 90+% in taxes?

it's called survive moroon.
when wagecuck won, they aren't declare a damn war to save their kind.

they join the alliance, start their own business turn somebody else cuck.

Yeah thats fine by me, I dont think it would solve the lazy people in America problem. Most of that money would go to government salaries and raise contractor prices

I feel mostly "right wing" but overall I'm just socially conservative and fiscally liberal. Anyone who's fiscally conservative is a total cuck

fuck off to Jow Forums cocklover

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did you intentionally not bother to read the entire post?

The idea that people actually paid those marginal rates, or that government had much higher revenue from them, is a myth.

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You wouldnt survive is my point.

>If something doesn't automatically work completely right on the first few tries
>first tries

Dude.. there was an attemt at least 30 times and every single time it was a total disaster... How many people need to die until you realise that your shitty ideology is not compatible with human nature..?

>With that kind of mindset

I never liked the concept in the first place

Yes, Jow Forums, desu.
You called?

A society where nobody works can't function, and you retards just don't seem to understand it.
If you let anyone not have to work and still have money, then 99.9% of people won't bother working, and that other 0.1% that still want to work will leave the country due to insanely high taxes.

That's pretty funny if you're joking

>Only 0.1% of people want to have more than the barest necessities

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that user is exaggerating, but you will still have a significant portion of the population that won't work if they can get away with not working. The problem is that even if that portion is small enough to be supported by the rest, those doing the supporting resent it. They'll resent it no matter what ideology you couch it in, but they'll especially resent it if you say that its a collective social obligation to your fellow citizens. People expect something in return for the provision of handouts.

>The problem is that even if that portion is small enough to be supported by the rest, those doing the supporting resent it.

So you do support communism! We're in agreement! You should resent your boss for contributing nothing but taking 80% of your surplus labor value.

it's exponentially more work though to get anything more than the bare necessities in that kind of system though. if you work, you will work to provide for yourself and ten million other people.

So, are you saying that if you were able to retain more of your surplus labor value, it would be easier to flourish as an individual? This is an endorsement of communism!

While OP seems to be joking, socialism isn't supposed to mean that anyone just gets free shit. If it is past injustices that has led to this distribution of the means of production (even if many rich people actually earned what they have), their idea is that it shouldn't be owned like that.

There are no barest necessities, once human has something he wants more. And if he got to this point by not working whats stopping all the people from overthrowing a government that does not give them the things they consider necessary? Only violence from the state and soon you are back in with gulags and the ol' stalinism. Small yard and a long whip is the only thing that most people understand

I think you underestimate people's consumer-like behavior carved irreversibly by decades of capitalism and technology. Bare minimum lifestyle isn't enough for a lot of people in advanced societies since a long time.

Are you anti-second amendment? I thought the purpose of the second amendment was to enable the people to overthrow a government that they don't like.

If that were actually true, (Which it isn't, that's actually fucking retarded if you believe that) then the obvious solution would be to become the boss, by either starting your own business, or by working hard enough to become promoted.

that's the opposite of how communism works.

it did
im ready to fucking die for the revolution

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So your only achievement will be to die? Nice.

it's always nice to have people who will die to make other guys rich.

>The solution to a system in which those who necessitate an underclass with the private ownership of capital is to just own capital!

The problem is that even if that portion is small enough to be supported by the rest, those doing the supporting resent it.

youtube.com/watch?v=AV4yTgPCHHg

Enjoy your journey into Marxism :)

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A hero death as a revolutionary for the land and the people.

I dont live in America, I live in a post communist shithole and I know what those ideals always lead to.

communism takes all of the surplus value and distributes it. nobody would do work, that's why starvation is such a fundamental problem of communist countries.

So just to be clear, you don't want the people to be armed so that they can overthrow a tyrannical government, right?

All those people who died for it and yet one has to be remembered.

The ones who were called heroes did it for others not for "revolution".

better than working for food till you die

What if you had an anarchocommunist state in which there is no state to take the surplus labor value?

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bumping because its not a fembot thread

based and redpilled
Literally RED pilled

The leaders must be acting free of will and with a sincere wish for liberation not out of higher orders and for self empowerment. Then it will all be remembered into eternal glory.

then you'd better have a culture of homogenous, similarly capable people who share the same values. that would work great.
>what if humans were something completely different? would there be different consequences?

You guys really think that communism is less work?

Then there would be no communism.

That sounds more like anarchoprimitavism. Personally, I would hope for differentiated people who specialize in many different things.

Or are you just concerned about a utopia that's also an ethnostate?

I see, the problem is with the name, not so much the substance. Then let's just call it anarchosyndaclism.

he think changing political leaning can solve his problem.

these mentallity explain why windows 10 happen.

The flag is flying up high, marxist scum.

Cap people's max capital to like 3 million USD max globally. Do a similar process for businesses so even if they are amazing, they can't blow up to immense values that can be sold off for more. Make inheritance maxed out at 500k dollar at most. Adjust all numbers for inflation yearly after introduction.
Stop people and corps from buying up houses and ground for the purpose of trading, limit the buying of property. Have firms build into the sky if they want to expand so badly. There's literally no reason people need to buy beyond a second house if they aren't open to trading it near market value within a year.
Suddenly more resources flow down because houses get cheaper and essential goods drop in price.

if they're specialized in stealing from other people or convincing them to give up money, then you just revert to the same kind of hierarchies as the church facilitated when governments were weak or disorganized.

You must be more drunk than me because I lost you the second you mentioned leaders.

I guess you fancy yourself a leader posting empty words on a korean basket weaving forum.

>Anarcho-communism

>money
>hierarchy

Pick 1 or the other 2

houses would get more expensive though because less people invest in them where they are in demand. if you think toilet paper is expensive that's a laugh.

>Anarcho-communism
that was enough

>Actual Nazi detected
Opinion discarded

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1. in communism your main currency is your social status and rank
2. hierarchies exist in literally anything where there are the slightest differences in capability. if it's more rewarding to be exploitative, that's what people will value more

>social status and rank
But we were supposed to crush the bourgeoisie!

Get a job bum.
You are a leech if you dont work.

Literally all those statistics are 99% africa because they live in an entire ass continent where clean water is scarce and agriculture is fucking impossible. Not to mentions lack of infrastructure and the warlords who steal foreign aid
Dont use africa as an argument for communism in america
America has a population of ~350,000,000 people. Only 7000 give or take die from starvation each year, 6500 of which are neglected children and elderly. That means every year, 0.0001428571% of the US population dies from genuine starvation.
The us comprises give or take 5% of the world population, so it should at minimum with its "peak capitalism" take atleast 5% of those starvation deaths right? Wrong. The US only accounts for 0.000625% of genuine deaths by starvation.
The world health organization has found the claim that around 400,000 die a year in africa due to starvation. The africa population is about 4x that of the US. So the starvations should scale right? Wrong. 200x more people die on average than the US due to starvation. So if the US is peak capitalism, why do we have so few starvation deaths?
Im not even close to right leaning but you commies and socialists are fucking delusional. The one thing i unequivocally agree with the right on is that you guys are insane.

I resent him for paying me money for labor we both agreed was done at a fair rate and both of us can cancel at any time?
Why would I?

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Forcing people to work to be able to have a roof over their heads, running water and adequate food is not an acceptable form of society.
Obviously, that's the entire point.

you're right, we should force you to leave society if you're so convinced that you can just depend on your own survival skills in the wild instead of cooperating

Except you cap the demand by artificially limiting the number of purchases that are made and seize control over the maximum they can be sold at and the maximum space a house can occupy just like how food isn't being sold for millions through government intervention and subsidizing. There's absolutely no fucking reason the difference in capital is this big and why (foreign) investors are allowed to seize properties without repercussions just because they have cash to invest. We don't need people like Gates, Bezos and Musk who take in most of the money on the world and still piss it away passing it to each other despite any "progression" or "charity" they'd bring. And we definitely don't need children born into being billionaires like the Rothschilds. That's an order of magnitude difference compared to your average self-made millionaire if not more. And they also take an insane amount of space on the world and claim it their own. Having a traditional luxury family house with a garage and a backyard and a vacation home if lucky should be the absolute most anyone should ever have for space, unless you're living as a giant family in one spot.

Or, hear me out, we let people choose what they do, and if what they do is needed by society, they get compensation in the form of a currency used by everyone that can be traded for whatever that person desires.

Amazing what taking data at face value will do.

judging and reforming society by the negative consequences of a few billionaires is a little wild, but you are conflating punishing/limiting the rich with a benefit for the poor.

I promise you that with your ideas houses will become much more expensive and nobody will be renovating or rebuilding. there are plenty of dense regions with few or no rich people and you have buildings that are falling apart that are still expensive. unless you're saying government is also budgeting for building houses and are the land owners. in that case the construction companies have the incentive to take a bigger cut. unless the government also controls that. at some point you just replace "business owner" with "business owner who is also in charge of policies"

limiting rich people has been tried before. it didn't create a utopia lmao. but i agree we can raise taxes in various areas and reduce spending on poor people who will never produce anything useful.

That's how almost every invention and form of entertainment happens. Having personal freedoms is a good thing. But you also have to give the choice for people with food, shelter, etc. to refuse to give those things away for free.

Yes it is. You arent better than anyone else bum. You'll work for your things or you'll live in the street.
You lazy mooch

Have you met the average communist?

At least in the first world. Like these Starbucks revolutionaries would get their trans surgery early if commissar Tyrone cut off their dick with a machete. But honestly given the way first world "leftists" act, I can see why people turn to right wing demagoguery. It is the preferable option.

The right wing in the U.S. is the liberal stance because either way you're getting cucked but at least the right cucks you less painfully acknowledging its own nihilism and not banning you as much

Yeah internet communists just hate private property until they wanna enforce it by banning duh misogynist (which is defacement as you cant prove anything, also it's not your fucking place too. Swallow a bullet)

I can't stand mods obviously of any political persuasion. But with so called leftists it stings more because they should know better. I just wanna kill their family right in front of them and scream in their face YOU DID THIS and slap them in their fat little faces with a bloodied hand of their dead relative. Thats what a fucking communist does. Not this poop dick everyone is equal until the le'rebbit moderator is having a bad day.

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Is English your second language, Pajeet?

Most communists dont even realize that in a country with no currency, you cant give something a value. You're allowing yourself to be fucked over by other countries at that point
>failing to understand that people speak english very differently even from state-to-state and assuming that because someone elses english isnt the exact way you speak it they're a pajeet
10 trillion keks

>if you don't want socialism/communism you must be right wing
politics in 2019

you still don't understand you dumb piece of shit. In communism, everything is distributed so everyone has to work to keep the distribution flowing maximally.
>according to his ability
that means you'd be FORCED to get off your ass and work shithead. capitalism is better for leeching and exploitation.

>You are literally being forced to endure peak capitalism on a daily basis, you cry about it online, and yet you still, somehow, convince yourself to stay right wing.
"robots" is not an accidental term
just a bunch of morons who are literally programmed to defend the assumptions of the system

You have to understand that essentially the reason why "wage slave" jobs exist is because there are people not capable of acquiring a value to bring them out of a shitty wage job. This is incapability to make themselves be valued higher to the economy is because of below average innate intelligence. They just cannot preform higher level tasks. Instead of focusing on distributing the total value of a society to everyone equally, which won't do anything and due to human nature is impossible, we need to find an efficient way to power boost IQ. Eugenics is expensive, will temporarily slow society in every way to a crawl, and also cause a backlash which WILL overthrow the gov., we need to focus on things like best egg selection and gene editing. If we get the average IQ to a standard deviation, or even better two standard deviations higher, we will reach a new stage of civilization.

>I hate giving away my surplus labor value (getting cucked)
>But I also hate communism
>Also I daydream about bloody, psychopathic murder

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Private ownership of capital necessitates an underclass. If the dumbest person in a society were 145IQ compared to today, there would still be an underclass if they used capitalism as a means of surplus labor distribution (they wouldn't do that if they were all intelligent, but that's how it would work theoretically)

Babysitting and tutoring are both much better gigs than wageslaving for teens and 20-somethings.
>under the table income
>cash
>60-200 bucks a pop
>hanging out with kids instead of slowly accumulating pimples slaving over a hot stove
>parents and students on good terms with you instead of every stranger you meet having a problem
>free coffee
>own schedule
>parents in rich communities will pay bank
>older students cramming for exams pay bank
>no stupid uniform, looking like a broke college kid in a hoodie is actually an advantage
>none of your customers are working on the assumption you're an incompetent retard

Yes. That's the whole point of it.
In fact, both right wings and left wings are supposed to achieve the same thing.
A society where you can get everything for free.

it's ok to kill nazis

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ITT: Virgin Red Pill vs Chad RED pill

>implying commies are intelligent
Haha yes comrade, its real holodomor hours

Yeah because commies kill themselves through starvation. 2 birds with 1 stone
>implying the breadpill is chad
Pic related

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Communism will be feasible when most jobs will be automatized, until then it's just a dream.

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>Implying redpilled robots aren't just lazy degenerate faggots
M8

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>communism is where everyone works to get what they need
>communism will work when there are almost no jobs
Mate are you okay? Were you birthed into an elevator shaft?