Veganism

>word salad
It's not a word salad. We've already established that it's not necessary to be consequential and consistent. It's not favorable for us at all, which is why your argument is doomed to fail.

>purpose of nut/seed
Oh, but that's not its entire purpose. It can't just grow anywhere, now can it? The purpose of the nut/seed is to be eaten by an animal, survive its digestive tract, and then grow and flourish in the droppings of the animal. While it's in the digestive tract, it also takes nutrients from you. We call these anti-nutrients. This is to ensure that there are nutrients in the droppings. Now, why did I tell you this? Well, imagine making "milk" out of these nuts/seeds, and then imagine how concentrated these anti-nutrients become in that "milk". You're not doing yourself any favors by drinking that "milk".

>local vegan food(lol)
No, you import most of your stuff. Tell me what grows where you live during the winter, please

Because I like the taste and I don't care about animals that are not in my house.

I am not joking you when I say that I am currently in the middle of a Carnivore diet for 30 days, and I've never had an easier diet to follow, and I've never lost weight so quickly. Furthermore, even if I was to switch to meat exclusively, I would not be able to eat any more than a single cow per year (a side of beef is ~300 lbs, and that's half a cow).

Now that I've answered that, I would like you to answer something for me? Why in the fuck do you (and/or faggots like you) keep doing this. Veganism has been "mainstream" for at least a decade. People have heard all the arguments, and made their decision already. Yet you fucks keep poking your heads out and talking about how horrible it all is. We know it's horrible. You've told us at least a hundred times by now. If you don't have anything new or interesting to say, then just stay fucking quiet. Repeating the same argument over and over and over and over again does nothing but get the people you want to convert to loathe you.

>Which is all good to feel strongly about mind you, but shouldn't you just take a break for a sec?

fuck that. im a reclusive NEET who only goes outside to buy groceries, or to take a nightwalk. i know im deficient in vitamin d because i rarely go out in the sun, but yesterday my vegan vitamin d came in the mail, so its more shitposting for me. btw to all you meat eaters, humans get vitamin d from the SUN

and im literally about to go to bed. i have nothing better going on in my life than talking about veganism online, im a massive loser 28 kv neet okay, and veganism is extremely relevant to my autistic interests. and im literally diagnosed with autism by the way (btw by the way)

im about to take a 8 hour sleep break right now, and tomorrow when i wake up ill continue posting about veganism. i derive pleasure from triggering normies about their unethical hedonistic choices

heres some more food that i eat sometimes, and now im off to bed. triggering normie retards about veganism is the most productive ive been in YEARS. not even joking

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> triggering normie retards about veganism is the most productive ive been in YEARS. not even joking

Hey, I'm happy for you. It's always good to make improvements, no matter how small.

Go get some proper rest, we'll be here for more shit-posting when you wake up.

Imagine letting yourself be controlled by someone else's moral arguments. Imagine not doing what you want, but what others want of you. Imagine being a cuckold.

The "meat helped evolution" argument isn't really that relevant anymore. It's certainly not helping us now.

>We've already established that it's not necessary to be consequential and consistent.
Evolutionarily, no one cares. You what you have to do to get ahead and gain the advantage. But for debating, premises need to had some logical, and in this case ethical consistency to be taken seriously.

Lots of benefits to almond milk, antinutrients don't really play a significant role at all.
medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318612.php

What grows in California in the winter.
heavenlygreens.com/blog/great-winter-vegetables-to-grow-in-california
And potatoes.

"I just don't care and you can't make me" is unironically the best argument for carnists.

What about the environmental impact Egoist?

>"I just don't care and you can't make me" is unironically the best argument for carnists.
I answered your very rhetorical question in good faith. I would like you to answer mine.

>give me your best logical reasoning why you eat meat and drink milk

Because you permit something before you prohibit it. I've not seen a reason to prohibit it.

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And you'll only be able to sway those who care about such arguments. The rest? They won't care. They'll agree with you, and then eat meat. That's how it is.

No, no benefits to almond milk. It's a high omega 6 nut milk with anti-nutrients in it. You're better off popping pills to get your nutrition in.

Of course you live in California. Where else?

If you truly cared about the environment, you'd chop your balls of, as having one child is equivalent to three vegans. Now come on, my argument isn't wrong in this. Chop chop. You care about the environment, don't you?

We keep bringing it up because it seems as though a lot of normans at least have huge amounts of cognitive dissonance about eating meat. Some of them even claim to care about animal welfare and the environment and then eat a steak from Brazil kek.

Animal welfare, and if you don't care about that then reducing environmental impact.

>Animal welfare, and if you don't care about that then reducing environmental impact.

Why should I care about animal welfare or environmental impact?

I only ate meat every so often before, because it's trouble to make it and the carb stuff that's bad for you is quicker to prepare and eat. Milk and dairy are daily staples.
Every time I see one of these threads again, though, I eat more meat, solely to spite you, OP.
I was going to have my usual breakfast of bread stuffed with butter and heated, with a glass of milk, but now I'm going to eat breakfast sausages instead.
Suck it

>We keep bringing it up because it seems as though a lot of normans at least have huge amounts of cognitive dissonance about eating meat. Some of them even claim to care about animal welfare and the environment
Then, if you were being intellectually consistent, you would make the logical arguments for things you can achieve. For example, legislation that would require better conditions for said animals. But you don't do that. Instead of going for the things you can accomplish, you instead just swing at windmills. And so, I ask you again: Why?

Probably because if vegans went for that, they know they would be able to convert even fewer people. Which means they don't actually care about animal welfare, but actually their religion.

This is quite literally the "I don't care lol" argument packaged in another form. You're not slick. Did you even click the link in my post about almond milk? And you seem to have accepted that I eat local winter vegetables kek. If everyone was vegan then that would reduce the problem greatly in the first place. And it's not like we're having sex or kids anyway (if you are then you need to leave now).

Do you care about the state of the planet as future generations will inherit it? There are no arguments for you if you're an nihilist.

We don't negotiate with terrorists. Do what you want.

Name one politician in Congress who cares enough to support a bill like that. The government loves meat and even heavily subsidizes it as well.

Not op but im seeing alot of dumb arguments
Veganism doesn't want to give cows the right to vote,just lowering the suffering of other beings that can feel pain as we do. Its not asking for the same rights but that they do deserve some of them. Also yeah we eated meat and grew big brains, but that was in a time where farming didn't exist. Thats not required anymore and we can easily have calories and vitamines from other sources beside meat. Veggies taste good too and in a couple of years synthmeat will be a thing so it isn't forever goodbye to meat.
Thats a really dumb take and your math is really fuking off, 300 lbs are 130ish kilograms and the avarege cow weights 800ish to a ton, so thats a tenth of cow if we are being generous. Also I supose you dont eat internal organs or the bones or other stuff and just eat the same cut of steak so thats already multiple cows you are eating.

For the other part is because eating meat is still socialy acceptable and it shouldn't. Equals rights didn't happen in a week or a year or ten years. And not because of that people stoped saying what was wrong.
>People will still eat meat
Some wont, some will change. No one expects that everyone turns vegan in a day. Is no reason to stop arguing about it. And about the child thats a fucking leap in rationality, by that logic why not just off ourself as it would stop any polution by me instanly, or perhaps I could say its to inform others and my progenitors of these Ideas and hopefully change society.
Because most don't want better conditions, they want it stoped. I am in favor of better conditions as if it where some animal sanctuary where the dead just are reporpused as meat.

>animals that we eat are capable of producing certain vitamins and nutrients
>we are entirely incapable of producing them ourselves, we can't get them from common edible plants, but we need them to sustain life
Really makes me think.

i eat meat and drink milk because Im sadistic and I love the fact that those things come from animals suffering. vegans are pussies.

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>Name one politician in Congress who cares enough to support a bill like that. The government loves meat and even heavily subsidizes it as well.
They care about what their constituents care about. You don't try to get people to actually push for animal welfare, because you don't want that. Despite all your posturing, you don't actually give a shit about the animals. Even when lab grown meat becomes a thing, you'll still be against it, because you've bought whole-hog into veganism.

You intentionally make arguments that you know you will lose instead of half-measures that would make the animals happier, make the people more comfortable eating meat, and make you feel like you've accomplished some sense of good, even if it isn't ideal. The phrase, "the perfect is the enemy of the good," most definitively applies to vegans. It's either, "ban meat," or change nothing.

GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH YOUR SHITTY FUCKING DAILY SPAMMED THREAD I DONT FU KING CARE THIS ISNT THE ETHICS BOARD YOU DUMB FUCKING CUNT. I WILL EAT MEAT JUST TO SPITE YOU AND FOR NO OTHER FUCKING REASON.

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Some examples would be nice with that

No, it's not at all. You're ignoring my argument and calling it something else. Nope, but I already know that they contain anti-nutrients from their very nature, and I know almond "milk" is enriched with vitamins to mimic the nutrient profile of milk. Yeah, what's the point in continuing on in that argument? I know you're importing other food, so I don't care too much about this argument. No, it wouldn't. You'd still have environmental issues, you'd still have issues with depleted lands and we'd all be nutrient deficient trannies.

Chop your balls bro, it's the only way to save the environment. It'll feel better to ride your solar-powered electric bike too without those planet destroying things hanging between your legs.

Yeah but sosig so yummy mmm pies and beef and w a n g z and yis

Plus realistically your efforts are entirely in vain. Vegans have achieved nothing besides a vague aura of smugness. And living without real milk, or leather, or any other animal product is as ridiculous and impractical as never washing your hands so you don't kill any of those poor widdle bactewia. They technically meet the criteria to be considered living things too, you know

>Thats a really dumb take and your math is really fuking off
I'm telling you, as someone who used to work in a meat packing plant, what a side of beef roughly weighs, and thats 300 lbs. As to your question about me eating all parts of the cow, the answer is obviously "no." But I'm struggling to think of any part of the cow that isn't used in some way, and I can't come up with anything. I mean, head cheese is a thing, and people buy it. So, no, while I may not eat every part of the cow, other people will. Even the parts not fit for human consumption get used in dog foods.

>why do you eat meat
Because it's tasty
It's effects on the nature are questionable, sure they exists, but they aren't as big as vegans would like you to belive. There isn't really concrete proof of it being unhealthy, and even from a moral stance it's shady. Like abortion, in one hand it does prevent the kid from being born, in the other kid wouldn't have been born if you used contraception anyway.
Similiar with animals, in one hand it does kill them, but in the other hand those same animals wouldn't have been born if not for the meat production industry.
I guess as long as the animals aren't suffering I'm ok with it. Buying meat from the hunters is probably the most humane thing you can do.

Yes, you could off yourself instead as well. You're making a point about saving the environment. Well, I'm seeing how far YOU are willing to take that argument, or if you're just here trying to convince others do to do things you yourself don't do.

Imagine 200 years ago
Ending slavary
>Comon you don't expect to us to stop using slaves, we can make them suffer less and give them better beds if you want and give them half the wips we give them.
Not the math on the weight of the steak you dumbfuck, the math on eating a cows per year is what fucking ridiculous.

Actual humans suffered to make the computer/phone you're posting on and the clothes you're wearing. Why are you supporting them?

I will repeat myself as I see you didn't finish reading, I could say aswell that im just doing it to change society as that would impact alot more than my whole hipothetical family tree.

>Imagine 200 years ago
>Ending slavary
You can use that analogy on trying to push any ridiculus idea.

>Do you care about the state of the planet as future generations will inherit it?
Yes, but I'm not a consequentialist, I care more about actions than the results of the actions. I'm a deontologist. I believe objective morality exists, and it can be determined through logic, I want you to present a deontological arguments for animal rights.

I remember saying this to a vegan once.
They don't have problem using computers, or pretty much anything other, that uses ore dug up by some sick african kids somewhere.

Or you're just trying to get others do things you preach, but won't do yourself. Hey, it's a legit evolutionary strategy. Get the rest to castrate themselves and then claim their land. It works.

How so? Its just an example on a situation when the outcome HAS to be yes or no, this canot be splited in half for most vegans.

Well I can't argue with that many words you are putting in my mouth. Take me to dinner first at least?

>Imagine 200 years ago
>Ending slavary
>Comon you don't expect to us to stop using slaves, we can make them suffer less and give them better beds if you want and give them half the wips we give them.
Ok. You are faced with pushing for the end of slavery and getting nothing, OR pushing for the better treatment of slaves, and achieving that. Which do you do? I'll point out that plenty of legislation was passed to give slaves better treatment and more rights, such as the "two thirds vote."

It's also nice that you think blacks and cows are equal beings with presumably equal intelligence.

>Not the math on the weight of the steak you dumbfuck, the math on eating a cows per year is what fucking ridiculous.
I'm pretty sure that you have no clue what you're talking about. A 1000 lb steer gets slaughtered. From "standing" to "hanging" that weight decreases by about 40%, which is called "hanging weight." What is lost is the blood, which is collected and used elsewhere. A side of meat is 300lb. 2 sides of meat is 600. So yes, by hanging weight, that other user is correct. And he could eat a pound and a half of meat per day, and still not eat an entire two sides of cow. And while he won't eat the other parts, there are people who will. Very little is wasted in a slaughter house.

Literal "I don't care lol" argument. Carnist hoes mad kek.

>Even when lab grown meat becomes a thing, you'll still be against it
No. Kekeroni.
I support hunters by the way. Vegans and vegetarians are still a vast minority of constituents. They are very low on their congressman's list of groups to appease. Most people say they want to help, but really just don't want to inconvienece their own lives, so I think that when synthetic meats that taste good and are cheap arrive on the market, a lot of customers will go for those.

Then what is your argument? Restate it in simple terms if you can. You didn't even skim the article, kek.
>No, it wouldn't. You'd still have environmental issues, you'd still have issues with depleted lands and we'd all be nutrient deficient trannies.
The environmental issues would be reduced by quite a bit. Around a third of greenhouse gases are caused by animal agriculture. And a lot of land that could be used to grow food for direct human consumption is instead used to grow feed for animals. And is Kendrick Farris a nutritionally deficient tranny faggot?
>Chop your balls bro, it's the only way to save the environment.
Are you insecure about your masculinity? Did your uncle molest you as a kid? And again, I'm not having any sex, that's part of why I'm stuck here in this place.

>so I think that when synthetic meats that taste good and are cheap arrive on the market, a lot of customers will go for those.
Then you admit that you are pissing into the wind, because you're not going to enact meaningful change before lab grown meat is a thing, and once it is a thing, it will be safer and cheaper than slaughter house meat and will therefore be the natural inclination for normies, anyways. Can you admit that?

It's the internet and you haven't offed yourself for your beliefs yet. Why would I listen to anything you have to say on any subject where death is preferable to living in order to save the environment?

I'm not sure what you are trying to say now. But I've often seen people trying to push some ideas, and then when people don't like the idea, they just compare them to slave owners, or people rejecting women/blacks having equal rights.

Eating meat is a lot more shadier subject than slavery, since slaves can live their lifes independent of their masters, unlike animals of today who are dependent on humans.
As long as animals aren't misstreated during their lifetime, I don't see the problem with meat industry.
>they get born
>they live
>they get eaten
Same as every animal since the begining of time.

It tastes good so I eat it

*crickets*
origionalo

Okay, one last time. Your argument is doomed to fail because it requires beings who are both consequential and consistent. The issue is that humans are neither. I can't make this simpler for you.

>a third of greenhouse gases are caused by animal agriculture
Blatant lie. It's closer to 2%.

No, I'm not insecure. It sounds like you're projecting thigh. But I do have sex regularly with my girlfriend. I'm so god damn horny from my animal based diet you have no idea.

>Blatant lie. It's closer to 2%.
It's like 14%, but the vegans are trying to push the narrative of it being 50%+

Did the mod finally ban you from 8ch*n casterated veganfag user?

Im comparing 2 situations where the answear has to be a do or don't, im not comparing blacks to animals, im comparing to beings that do not have/had rights they diserve. And Im not saying legislations that better animal treatment are bad, but they are far from enough. We do have to push all the way if we want something done. Is how we maneged to get so far, and its how every other movement did.

then why do you say this?Im confused
>Furthermore, even if I was to switch to meat exclusively, I would not be able to eat any more than a single cow per year (a side of beef is ~300 lbs, and that's half a cow)
Are you not saying you couldn't eat a cow in a year eating a exclusive meat diet? Thats the part I disagree and explained why.
I share the same idea, case is that it isn't like that on 99% of cases, it isn't cow paradise and bad animal treatment and lack of regulation is the norm. Also we still kill them, and kill the young one, and a bunch of other stuff that if done to humans would be revolting.

If you have a problem with that example I could say should you kill a stranger or not?You can't half kill him, you only can kill or not kill. This is such a case and setling for a midle ground is not changing anything. Unless you continue to fight for more rights and etc until you reach the not killing.

Because every piece of meat you don't eat, I'll eat twice as many to compensate for you not eating it
I don't need an argument for something that tastes good

Unironically subconsciously based and redpilled

>Are you not saying you couldn't eat a cow in a year eating a exclusive meat diet? Thats the part I disagree and explained why.
I would need to strain myself to eat more than 600lbs of meat per year. If you explained why this is false, I'm not seeing it.

Kant's categorical imperative: Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law.
If hyper advanced aliens came to Earth and started harvesting humans for their meat then would you be okay with that? If it is not okay in that situation, then go is it fine in the current situation?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative

Pressure from vegan and vegetarian customers has forced the market to produce many meat and dairy sunstitiesx and has hastened the way for lab-grown meat to become a reality, in part due to their constant annoying activism. I think it's time for you to admit that the only reason you contine eating meat isbecause you like the taste and texture and selfishly value your own hedonistic pleasure over anything else.

The only valid argument for carnists.

While that is in the end voluntary, I still do care. My current smartphone is a used one I bought on ebay, and most of my clothes are fair-trade or used and pet owned. Once this smartphone stops working, I will probably buy the fairphone (ethically produced smartphone). Not to mention that these jobs pump a lot of money into the third world countries that wouldn't otherwise get it. The only thing that needs to change is the working conditions.

Humans are not intrinsically or consistently consequential and consistent. But that does not excuse their arguments and worldview from being logical and consistent. Or what is the point of logic in debates? Just say what you want instead kek.
>It's closer to 2%.
Meant from the agricultural sector.
epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions
>But I do have sex regularly with my girlfriend.
Get out now normalfag. You're not welcome here.
>I'm so god damn horny from my animal based diet you have no idea.
Funny estrogen is supposed to make you less horny. Estrocuck.

So you are just dumb? thanks for saying it before arguing

"I don't care lol" is the only valid argument for carnists. Do what you want. We don't negotiate with terrorists.

But they are mistreated in the majority of cases. Stop dodging the question.

>case is that it isn't like that on 99% of cases
True, it's also case that there are a lot of human right abuses that happen to produce pretty much anything produced anywhere except in america/europe, but most vegans don't really care about it.

I try to get my meat from smaller farms as often as I can, mostly because it tastes a lot better than the industrially produced crap.

>and a bunch of other stuff that if done to humans would be revolting.
it's not done to humans, it's done to animals, offcourse humans don't revolt.
I'm not saying that humans aren't animals, or that on the larger scale human life is any more worth than animals, or that we have some divine right, simply that the fact that every animal out there cares for it's own more than it cares for other animals.

You are also really cute thinking that humans aren't treated like those animals in many places around the globe, and you don't see humans revolting, instead for like a week when someone makes a video like kony.

It doesn't excuse anything, it's how we are. You're making the assumption that arguments are something we should strive to live after. Debate is for people who care about debates. That's it. Life keeps on moving without arguments.
>Get out
No, I'll stay here. I'm having fun.
>estrogen
Well, clearly it's not. I'm drinking litres of unpasteurized cow milk every day and I feel amazing doing so.

Im dumb, the lbs confused me and I though it was less than it is, you are right, there is no way to eat a whole cow in a year. I take the L on this one.

But I do care about that too, see , fourth reply.

There is a lot of valid arguments here, it's just only play attention to ones that feed into your delusion.

>Pressure from vegan and vegetarian customers has forced the market to produce many meat and dairy sunstitiesx
Gonna presume you meant substitutes. I would say that you really did nothing. It was simply that due to allergies and cultures (such as the jewish and muslim faiths), there was a need that the market needed to fill.
>and has hastened the way for lab-grown meat to become a reality, in part due to their constant annoying activism.
I would like to see evidence to support this claim, because I think that it was being worked on for decades simply so that people in countries without fertile soil could have easy, safe access to protein (just like genetically modified crops have been designed to withstand poor quality soil and droughts better). I have no evidence to support this claim, other than both have been in the aims of the food industry long before veganism ever hit mainstream.

>I think it's time for you to admit that the only reason you contine eating meat isbecause you like the taste and texture and selfishly value your own hedonistic pleasure over anything else.
I literally never denied it. This was my first post:

I didn't say you don't care, I say that average vegan activists spends a considerable ammount of his time and energy feeling superior for not harming animals while not paying attention that their consumer actions harm humans.

This. He's just picking low hanging fruits(lol) and then say some dumb shit like that.

So your argument is literally "it's not logical or ethical but that's okay because humans aren't intrinsically logical and consistent." Kek, I can't believe I wasted so much time arguing with you. Enjoy your animal estrogen you cuck.

>Enjoy your animal estrogen you cuck.
Funny that vegans are actually using this argument when your average vegan looks like a ladyboi with beard

Reply with some arguments I didn't respond to. I'm responding to them all.

It's not logical or ethical to end the lives of anything, plants included. They are living creatures, and you kill them and/or their offspring in order to continue to survive. You could most certainly make the argument that it's less unethical than eating meat, but you can't make the argument that it's unethical. So yeah, you're the pot calling the kettle black, my dude.

It's also a good arguments since it does get to the point the fastest. Even if everything that vegans are saying is true(which it isn't), in the end people don't care so, it doesn't matter.

Showing horrific pictures doesn't stop me from consuming meat. Nature is horrifying and beautiful at the same time. You as a human are made to eat a mixture of meat and plant. Just support good farmers who love their animals and enjoy meat as a special dish. Respect what gives you life.

>baseless remark
the ones that scream and shout can look like little boys but there are many weight lifting vegans that are bigger than you could ever be without roids.

No, that's not it at all. It's logical that we're inconsistent and inconsequential. Minute detail, but important. Hey, you're the one giving up the fight you little cuckold there, not me.

Enjoy phytoestrogens you tranny faggot.

Those 2 things are exclusive to one another, I don't really understand what point you are trying to make? I can support both human and animal well being? Most people can and alot of people do?

And again I don't say we put them on equals of humans, but they do deserve alot more rights that they have, they are still beings capables of felling pain and sadness,love,affection,grieth etc and that has been proven alot of times.
And people are revolting for shit like that,like how many people spend years of theyre life on africa treating sick children, or fighting terrorist, or whatever else. How can you say people don't care?

>i don't know you, I don't know how you look, how tall are you or how much you weigh but I know how big you could
talk about baseless arguments

Sorry I meant aren't on the first line there.

Nice copypaste straight front wiki (spoiler alert, I've already read it, and am familiar with Kantian ethics). You still haven't met your burden of proof. Why would that be rationally consistent as a universal principle.

i eat meat because i need muscle gains but i dont buy my meat i go hunting and do the dirty business myself

>If hyper advanced aliens came to Earth and started harvesting humans for their meat then would you be okay with that? If it is not okay in that situation, then go is it fine in the current situation?
This is such a horse shit argument. Obviously humans would rebel, sabotage, and resist at every step of the way (you don't need to win - if the cost of harvesting humans exceeds the profit made from it, then they will leave). You show me a farm animal that does that, and I will cede the argument.

If you all vegans are so fucking smart tell me why are presidents and other leaders eating meat all the time?
I'm waiting.

>please logically explain why you eat meat. give me your best logical reasoning why you eat meat and drink milk
I enjoy the taste. I want to eat it
>what about the environmental impact?
I dont care about the environment

>How can you say people don't care?
Because they don't, they make themselves feel better by sending peanuts and used shit to africa, but then continiue supporting companies that are exploiting africa.

>animals should have more rights than they have
Rights are a human construct. Animals don't have any rights in nature if we were to stop eating them in general, it would only mean that animals that get farmed today wouldn't be born tomorrow.
In my opinion being born and living a life before being eaten(if you aren't closed in a cage offcourse) is better than not being born at all, it's also the same thing that animal would have in nature.

And lets make a direct comparison and say they have such a high level of intelect that we can't even imagine, and we could do nothing to litle about. What then?

>If hyper advanced aliens came to Earth and started harvesting humans for their meat then would you be okay with that? If it is not okay in that situation, then go is it fine in the current situation?
I don't think if that happened that it would matter what you or I would think about it.

Also humans give very little meat, and cause a lot of problems I don't see why would the harvest humans instead of, cows for example.

I hate kikes and mudslimes. Kosher and halal meat is literal bloodletting torture. They slit the animal's neck and let the blood drain out. The semites don't have meat substitues, they have halal and kosher meat. But vegans have campaigned for substitutes for a while now.
bbc.com/news/world-47816210

Classic appeal to futility fallacy. Vegans can do both. You can't tu quoque them into giving up being good because they aren't perfect.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendrick_Farris
Vegan diets are actually correlated with a rise in blood testosterone due to the fact that animal estrogen from meat and milk sources isn't consumed any longer. Animal estrogen has almost an order of magnitude greater impact in human testosterone levels than phytoestrogens.

Yes precisely, it is less unethical. He on our level. Many more insects and rodents are killed when growing animal feed than feed for humans. A lot of deforestation also occurs to create fields to grow it in.
yourveganfallacyis.com/en/plants-are-alive

This is correct.

How is it in our evolutionary interest to destroy the environment for future generations? You are a brainlet and a faggot.

Due to the example in the post nigger.

Good job, you're doing more than most. I respect you for this.

He was asking for a denotological argument and you are looking at it from a consequentialist perspective.

They don't care about environmental collapse. They all have enough money to get to safe places. Am lot of intelligent people are vegan and vegetarian btw.

>I don't care
All I wanted to hear.

You're moving goalposts, but fine. I'll walk down that road with you. Then we'd still rebel, sabotage, and resist at every step of the way. Them having tech that literally looks like magic to us has nothing to do with how we would react. There's no situation you can conjure up where such a thing doesn't happen. Humans have always had the mentality of, "if you can stat it, you can kill it." Even in fiction stories on this very website, you can see humanity resisting literal gods that they couldn't see and had never met. Pic related.

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Now tell me user, whose the terrorists here;
The ones minding their own business or the group trying to force people to change with name callings, complete discard of likes and dislikes and eventually brutal force?

>all farms follow USA rules
Dumb cunts.

No you tard I was saying that we don't care about your threats at all so there's no point in making them in the first place. Eat up. We aren't the ones killing millions of helpless baby animals a year. Faggot.

>He was asking for a denotological argument and you are looking at it from a consequentialist perspective.
He was comparing apples to oranges. I could just as easily extend his argument to plant life.

Where do you live that is so utopic?

>appeal to futility fallacy.
What? Appeal to futility is saying that you shouldn't do something because it changes nothing, that wasn't what I was saying.
I was saying that vegans are hypocrits. Also I don't see why is that even a falacy if it's true.

>comparing vegan athletes to regular people
I don't see why do you do this all the time. Compare athletes to athletes, not athletes to couch potatos.

>Yes precisely, it is less unethical. He on our level. Many more insects and rodents are killed when growing animal feed than feed for humans. A lot of deforestation also occurs to create fields to grow it in.
>yourveganfallacyis.com/en/plants-are-alive
Ah, but if we are talking about being ethical, we shouldn't stop at being "less unethical." To extend the logic of these ethics to their natural conclusion, we shouldn't eat anything.

Plants don't have a nervous system so they can't feel pain. There's a relevant link in the post you replied to.