Be me

LMAO. This is a lesson learned, onetis's will never, ever, work. Even if you end up fucking it wont work because you've already put the bitch on a pedestal. My reccomendation is get on tinder and engage in a few hook ups to sharpen your claws and hunt down a girl thats right for you.

>FOR 3 FUCKING YEARS I'VE TRIED TO WAIFU THIS BITCH BUT SHE DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO HAVE A FUCKING RELATIONSHIP
You really, REALLY don't understand what asexuality means do you? Has absolutely nothing to do with wanting a relationship. It simply means she doesn't enjoy sex

improving yourself has nothing to do with having sex. 99% of people lose their virginity, do you rly think all the people who arent rich and/or hot improved themselves? lol

>meet nice shy smart gf at 19
>8 year relationship
>spend all of college, all of our two year break, ups and downs together
>we both graduate
>she is very successful in a technical construction related field
>I am an alright programmer
>she buys a house by herself
>so close to moving in
>we start falling out, I keep saying we are on a break but we never see each other, she never calls it a break
>I get angry and download tinder, mess around message around people, so fucking dumb nothing comes of it, not that I even wanted it to
>she starts coming around again, she figures out somehow I had a tinder
>she takes our dog, our 1 year old GOOD DOG, and she hasn't talked to me for 4 months
>I wake up, I take my stimulants the doctor gave me, I go to work, I come home to an empty apartment, I take my benzos the doctor gave me. I try to not to drink.
>repeat
>no motivation anymore, only live to work. I need to exercise before my body starts to deteriorate
>27 completely fucked up my life

I didn't know this kind of depression and apathy was real. I don't even care about any other girls, not that I have the ability to communicate with people anymore. I literally live and hold on so I don't lose this job.

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she 100% slept with another guy at some point. also that job doesnt seem that important or valuable, do you feel like you're making a contribution to society?

I don't care I slept with aggressive gamer stacy in college and she forgave me. I don't care what she does. I would forgive her.

It is very valuable to the company and to all the companies that buy our software. I could careless about contribution to society when it comes to my job. If I cared that much I would have chosen a different career path. I like programming.

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Uh, well, maybe she's lying? Lots of "asexuals" are still romantic, having sex, etc. I know an "asexual" who tried to have sex with me and another who bragged about the size of her boyfriend's penis. Maybe don't give up hope?

But God, can I relate to this feel, OP.
>be me
>spend my entire academic career getting rejected
>never give up
>keep going on dates
>keep acting happy
>keep doing nice things for those I like (bake cookies, remember birthdays)
>keep using dating sites
>nope, nothing
>crash face first into a guy at my favourite record store
>he breaks my dad's record player
>he's super sorry, but it's okay, it was broken and the clerk said he couldn't fix it anyway
>me and this guy talk for three hours
>chat a little via text
>he suddenly ghosts me
>calls me a month later
>wants to hang out
>we do
>spend 6-7 hours walking along the beach, playing frisbee with my dog
>he asks me a day later if I want to hang out again
>spend 14 hours talking
>we tried watching a movie but just decided to walk outside the city to see the stars instead
>he's the first guy to be nice to me (ask to carry my bag, tell me I'm smart, offer to hug me first rather than the other way around, open his car door for me)
>holy moly is this love
>we hang out again - to go an art gallery, but I had to leave early because work
>I honestly could have kept chatting with him
>before I leave he abruptly tells me that his mom is sick and he needs to go back home
>back to England
>I live in Canada
>offer to drive him to the airport, help him pack
>"I might be back in a year? We should keep in touch!"
>that was two weeks ago and I got nothing
>go to engineering ring ceremony to celebrate my graduation
>see guy who rejected me in first year
>he's engaged to be married to a woman who dropped out of art school
Fuck my life.

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Sex!= Relationship
She might still date and perhaps even love you.
Be a reasonable human and ask her to talk about her asexuality to know more about her. Worst case scenario you will have a better friend than before.

Everything on Jow Forums is for Reddit, little newfag. Hello r/greentext, fucking niggers

>making fun of her for dropping out of art school
wow you seem totally not snobbish. i bet you hate on the humanities too and shill STEMlord nonsense

desu i'm glad that gay fairy tail set up didnt pan out

>gay
I'm a woman.

t. Failed art student

what? no. worst case is your feelings getting stronger but still remaining unrequited. better to sever completely in the long run op

hmm you seem to be confused about my use of gay here. it means sappy/stupid bad, depending on context. not homosexual

>not pursing other women and leaving her on the backburner
>not making the move sooner
>waiting for 4 years to make a move as a uni student
You did it to yourself retard. Off yourself.

you should know that being asexual isn't real, she'll jump on the first Chad who gives her attention. And if you've already been orbiting her for 3.5 years, you have no chance in hell.

Asexual and aromantic are different, but she still probably isn't interested in you.

I briefly dated an ace/aro (asexual, aromantic). We're still "friends" and they do certainly exist. She tried dating other people but she just didn't feel anything, even after dating a Chad. She said she had a lot of fun with me though.

If a girl rejects you even before an actual date and gives an excuse like that with no reason just move on. Pursuing a girl for four years and no defining moves? That's your fault man.

It's going to hurt for a while but you need to distract yourself by going outside and meeting new people.

Having an engineering degree is only attractive to women. Men don't give a shit about that. They want young, pretty females (both markers of health and fertility). You got memed hard. I'm sorry for feminism. You should've spent more time on youtube make-up tutorials and beauty magazines.

You should capitalize on your remaining youth to find a good husband. Do not focus on your career now. You can always do that later. If you choose to do "this one thing" before finding a good man, I can garantee you there is always something that's gonna come up next; finding a job, proving yourself, finishing that project, trying to get that promotion, managing this and that; it'll never end. You'll always have an excuse.

Make finding a husband your top priority. Your sexual market value (SMV) is only gonna be going down with every passing minute. I repeat, men don't give a shit about your academic or profesionnal accomplishments. It can even come up as a redflag, because they won't want to drop their own work to take care of the children. I'm assuming here that, because of hypergamy, you want a man with prospectives at least as good as yours (ideally better). That man will never prioritize your career over his. You wouldn't like him if he did.

It might not be too late. You can have both the family and the career, but only if you delay the latter.

I like women who are ambitious.

I think you are just jealous that you didn't do anything with your education/career.

I'm halfway through my engineering degree. If she wants a family, she better acts fast, because it ain't the likes of you that are gonna get her that.

Oh. In that case - yeah, very much so.

>he thinks I'm doing this to be attractive to men and not because I like it
Also I'd be down for a house husband. I already had a friend who has a house husband and another whose husband works from home.

>"men don't like educated women"
>"yes they do"
>"uh well men like can't..uh...get girls pregnant...?"

Yeah, literally my brother, an absolute chad (former varsity athlete turned doctor ), told me he liked his wife (a trader) because she challenged him to grow as a person. That's how not crazy Jow Forums lunatics view relationships.

>I like it
Good for you, really.

>Also I'd be down for a house husband
From what I've heard, these arrangements don't tend to go well in the long run. I don't think there's enough of them to have reliable studies on this yet, but it's not looking good. Of course, it could work out well for you, but you should keep in mind women's tendency for hypergamy and men's tendency for wanting to be the breadwinners. Even if both agree to this relationship in the beginning, resentment can grow from it overtime. By keeping that in mind, you'd reduce the likelihood of things turning sour.

My point is pretty much that between a 35 y/o female engineer and the same female engineer at 25 y/o, the latter will win. You already saw that an attractive failed art major would win over you. If you want a good family, you don't have all that much time left. It's a question of priority. If you reread my messages, you'll see I never told you to abandon your career either.

No purpose in having a relationship with a female unless it's for sex, unfortunately. Too much of a resource drain when said effort could be put on finding an actual partner with which to have a family.

IMO just ask her to prom if you don't care losing the relation with her of the thing goes wrong. Maybe she put the asexual thing in Facebook because she doesn't want chads disturbing her on there (similar to those thots who put their state as "in a relation" but they aren't). I think it's worth the shot user. If you are an incel you might not find any opportunity like this one. I just wish you luck.

>being this smug and patronising
I'm honestly quite impressed by the level of trolling here. Most would have just called me a roast. Anyway, next time you try to be condescending I recommend at least a single citation rather than strawmen ("I never told you to abandon you career...",) and dataless claims ("much time left") when doing so.

Except OP said himself that he was not prioritising sex.

>university
>prom

Hey, I'm the user that like ambitious women. I wish you were nearby because you sound like someone I would like to take out.

That sounded creepy as fuck lol, sorry random femanon.

>there isn't enough data on house husbands but a single man who chose an art hoe is representative of his whole gender

Well, I'm sort of heart broken right now, but thanks. It's not creepy. Or at least, it's not Jow Forums creepy. You didn't even mention my toes, lol. It's nice to know my personality doesn't suck.

Lmao. I'm heartbroken to, I am this user:
It's too bad.

Why did you mention your toes. God damnit lmao.

Solidarity. About the dog - can't you take her to court? How did she take him, exactly?

>toes
Whoops, looks like I revealed my power level!

>I recommend at least a single citation
>dataless claims ("much time left")
Look, most of it is common sense. I have no trouble expanding on this : I would think you'd agree with me when I say it can take a few years to find a good mate and lay the foundation of a relationship suitable for children. That's not the kind of thing you'd usually want to rush in few months.
>By age 30, 7% of couples were infertile
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_and_female_fertility
There is a lot more to be found here. 7 % seems quite the risk to me for something as important as this. And, then, that's not even talking about subfertility or the chances of stillbirths and birth defects which only grow with time. Assuming you're around 23 y/o, you only have a few more years before the probabilities start going against you in a significant way. Look at the data regarding all of this. The Wikipedia article is a good starting point. You can easily find more if you want or go in the details with the references. This is not controversial nor is it debatted in the scientific community.

>strawmen ("I never told you to abandon you career...",)
I don't think you know what a strawman is. Also, let me quote myself too, this is the line ending my first message:
>It might not be too late. You can have both the family and the career, but only if you delay the latter.
I don't see how that's telling you to abandon it. I'm recommanding priorizing finding a husband and getting pregnant. Who the hell cares if your career only seriously take off past thirty? You might not be able to have children if you go the other way around.

Yeah, most guys wanting to start a family would clearly go to the older and less attractive, but more educated woman.

It was our dog. I wasnt going to take him from her. We loved him the same. I couldnt do that to her. And the house she bought has a big yard for him to run around. I have an apartment. He will be much happier there.

Lol, thanks for the laugh user.

what does the grow as a person meme even mean? like specifically? does it mean improve...? or something else? how the fuck does an athelete doctor who has the ability to land an equally rich wife need to grow and or improve? seems like meaningless buzzwords

user come on, this is common sense. Wtf do you mean you dont know what that means. Nobody is perfect even Chad and stacy. Chad and stacy are Chad and stacy because they continue to strive to be the best they can be. Whether that's becoming wiser, healthier, spending time on things that matter more, you learn more as time passes. No matter how high up you are. If you become stagnant you start to live in purgatory

the rich always want more money. the powerful always want more authority. and the well situated in life always want to "grow as people". such is life for normies i suppose. a never satiated hunger

Would you be willing to participate in a drug trial that had 9.78 % chances of making you effectively infertile, but would give you a 500 k compensation if it were to come to this? Maybe you would. If not, I'd say my recommendation stands.

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>it's common sense
Sounds like baseless nonsense. Great work.

>7%
>stillbirth
And yet average rates of infertility overall are actually higher than that. But hey, you read a Wikipedia article's summary of a 1957 paper. And then misrepresented it, because it didn't disregard stillbirth and specifically mentioned it. In the abstract.

Are you sure you're an engineer? Because I'm shocked an applied scientist who be comfortable with such faulty data. Sounds like a convenient excuse you made when someone else pointed out what your motivations likely are.

>don't know what a strawman is
You said that you never told me to abandon my career, which implies I said that you said to. That's a misrepresentation of my post and thus either a problem of reading comprehension on your part or a strawman.

>I'm just saying delay your career!
This is stupid for several reasons. In my original post I said I actively pursue relationships with men. So what precisely are you recommending? That instead of allocating, say, 15-25% (9 hours work, 9 hours sleep, 3 to 6 hours socializing) of my time to socializing I allocate 65% (12 to 15 hours socializing)? And how am I supposed to pay the bills in the interim between when I locked down a family and can start working agin? Where do you meet men who actually share your hobbies and interests outside of work and vocational hobbies? Because I'm gotten more dates from boys I went to class with than boys at my gym.

And that's why I accuse you of trolling. Because your criticisms are just criticisms without actual palpable solutions. You want to say to an educated woman "focus on getting a husband and kid" to try and antagonise her but don't actually know what such a thing would look like because that's not the function of your position.

>prioritising the dog's happiness
Jesus, user, that is some Solomonic judgement shit. Except without a happy ending.

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Lmfao jesus christ, someone's on a roll. Leave my dog out of it user. I was speak to femanon, toe-san, not you

Cont'd reply to >it's common sense
I'm glad she actually cares about your dog. I hear way too many stories about people taking pets purely out of spite. I'm glad that despite your emotional upset you can still recognise your ex is a person with non-loathesome attributes. It's a real testament to your character and capacity to forgive, user.

I'm sort of in a comparable situation. When I went to college I left my dog and cat at my mom's house. I have a disability and come from a poor family which cannot help me with school - that limits my housing options. Add "landlords okay with pets" and I'm completely fucked. I had to leave them with her.

My mom's an old farm woman and she murdered both of my pets. I know she shot my dog in the head. After she did it, I tried finding a new home for my cat. She got cancer, and my mom didn't tell me. My mom put her down. If I had known she had cancer I would have maybe tried to bribe my landlord so that my cat could live with me and die with dignity, but no, my mom deliberately lied, murdered my childhood pets and then made me look crazy. I realize my cat was killed also when she didn't approach me during a family reunion. When I involuntarily began weeping, my stepfather called me a "dumb cunt" who "makes everything about her".

Point is, I very acutely understand what you're going through over a loss of a pet.

>laugh
Hey, thanks for being nice to me on the internet. Wasn't expecting that shit.

Anyway, I never had a relationship that lasted more than...uh...a year? So I honestly can't imagine spending nearly a decade with someone. I'm sort of at a loss which is why I avoided the issue initially. I guess I could say things aren't hopeless. I believe that's true but it feels really inadequate to say. I'm really sorry shit sucks for you. I totally get your angry ambivalence towards Tinder. I try dating apps, and they are so terrible.

Oh gosh, user, that's me - femanon. When I said "Solomon" I meant the story of Solomon and the two mothers. The "splitting the baby" story. It was super vague and sorry it came off as aggressive.
>This is why my sister said, "yeah, I figured" when I said a doctor considered diagnosing me autistic

>thinks it's about her money
The point is a woman my brother's age who was also hard working, athletic and very religious had more wisdom to impart than some random 18 year old thot. My brother was a genius / athletically very gifted, and he never had to work hard. My sister in law is not gifted, but she works her ass off. When my brother went to medical school he hit a wall and for the first time in his life was seriously academically challenged. We're also a poor ("redneck") family and he had to deal with people being mean about that since his med school was very pretigious. He had to learn a lot about working hard and dealing with bullies and his future wife was instrumental in this. Likewise my sister in law was very socially awkward and closed minded and my brother helped her make friends and exposed her to different perspectives on political, religious, and social issues.

That's what I mean. Relationships are about cultivating improvement in others.
t. Single woman but in my defence I have several decades long friendships

>Be 14 years old in 2009
>Just starting HS
>Typical /v/ kid, hanging out with other /v/ nerds
>Have no prospects with women, although I was told I was good looking
>Join dance team at my Church
>Cute girls everywhere, dance with them all the time
>Couple years go by, ask one out (she was two years older)
>She told me that she wasn't looking for a relationship
>She went to uni, met a guy there in like the first week
>She lied to not hurt my feelings
>Join the water polo team
>Get pretty fit
>Start reading lots of classic literature and poetry because it's fun
>I start to become popular at school
>People actually enjoy talking to me, I can feel my anxiety leaving me
>Senior year Chemistry class, qtpi sophomore there
>One-initis
>Try my best to get her, she flirts w/ me and leads me on
>I graduate and she still talks to me
>Eventually she just stops talking to me
>At local community college
>Try flirting with other girls
>Learn from mistake to not one-initis
>Spread out who I like so I don't become creepy
>Start excelling in school for once
>Taking math & french courses, enjoying it
>Study abroad in Paris after fighting with parents
>Have lots of fun in Paris, but don't meet anyone
>Been thinking very deeply about what kind of relationship I'd like to have
>After Paris apply to transfer to Universities
>Know that I'm going to be transferring out, so try not to find a gf
>Finally given up
>This girl is pretty interested in me
>I think nothing of it, she said she had someone in her life
>One of my buddy's is dating a girl that's one of her friends
>He tells me to ask her out
>His gf tells her to say yes
>Go out on double date together
>Supper Happy
>Everything that I've thought about, all the scenarios I've prepared in my head play out
>I know what to do, how to talk, how to impress her
>I also get into UCLA for Math
>Life literally couldn't get any better

One day goys, it'll get better

>older
>less attractive
Where in her post did she say art hoe was either of those?

Exactly. His posts are just a drawn out version of the """"tick tock"""" meme.

Oh no I understood your Solomon reference lol. I just thought you were that other user trolling, because of the post formatting I didnt read what you said other than (you)

Sorry to hear about your pets, that is very upsetting. I wouldn't know what to do with such such emotionally rough parents. Glad you made out well and got your degree.

Alright sadly probably will never talk to you again because user. But it was nice, I need to go to sleep

>Sounds like baseless nonsense. Great work.
Followed by stating my willingness to expand on it if you so desired and some stats.

>And yet average rates of infertility overall are actually higher than that
The median age of women in the US is 39.4.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age
Of course, the overall fertility rate is gonna be higher than that of a 30 y/o woman. Jesus Christ. Look at the table I added here listing not the infertility, but overall probability of not having a live birth by age. These seven independant studies done at different times all have similar numbers. You can debate the exact numbers (is it a 8 or a 9?), but notice that they all more than double between 20 y/o and 30 y/o. That is still saying nothing about birth defects.

>You said that you never told me to abandon my career, which implies I said that you said to
All right, then. Explain why you wrote
>rather than strawmen ("I never told you to abandon you career...",)
To me, the parantheses seemed to provide what you thought to be an example of a strawman. You used the same pattern here:
> dataless claims ("much time left")
Thus, I assumed you claimed that the quote "I never told.." was a strawman of sort, which I can't make sense of otherwise.

Part two coming up.

Part two. Also, I notice I wrote "fertility" instead of "infertility" in part one. It should still be easy to understand.

>just criticisms without actual palpable solutions
Fair enough in the sense that I didn't go into much details. What I mean by delaying is simply not to get too focused into work and run after the promotion, but instead to leave enough time to socialize and actively pursue a long-term relationship (not any relationship and not just wait for it to happen). It seems easy in engineering to find yourself in a position in which you work long hours and possibly well into the weekends with few vacation days. I suggest you take a reduced amount of work and be careful not to fall into this pattern "for the sake of your career" until after you've had your kids (and them being old enough). You can still pay the bills with a 35-40 h workweek and have a significant amount of money left. Be mindful not to go beyond that too much even though it might be tempting to advance your career. It also doesn't make much sense to climb the professional ladder if you plan on interrupting your career with maternal leaves. What I'm recommending ain't that radical. You might very well already be doing it for all I know. I'm not antogonizing you. I've just heard and read many women feeling unhappy later in life and regretting their decisions regarding this subject. Also, there seems to be a big push for women to have career and it seems silly to priortize this if you ever want to have a family. If you start putting more hours and being more serious at 35 y/o you still have a good 30 years of work, assuming you retire at 65. You could always work more if you really enjoy it.

>Where in her post did she say art hoe was either of those?
If the art hoe wasn't more attractive to him, he wouldn't have gone for her, would he? Considering she's less educated, I would assume she is either more physically attractive, younger, or just more fun to hang out with for him (or a combination of those). And she has to be more physically attractive or younger, because if she was just more fun, but not physically attractive to him, then she'd be one of his good friend and that'd be that.

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>things will get better if everything goes right for you

wow thank u 4 ur wisdom sensei

Asexuality is real. I think I might be asexual since the thought of dying a virgin only bothers me in the sense I might never reproduce and the family bloodline could end with me. I never watch porn or jack off, I don't understand how nofap is such a challenge for people. I feel nothing when looking at topless women. Despite all of this I've been madly in love with several girls in my life. All I wanted was a girlfriend to end my crippling lonlienss. Relationships Shouldnt revolve around sex.

>all this stuff on age and infertility
Literally everyone knows age impacts fertility.

>strawmen
Why say "I never told you X" if you didn't think I said X? You're either saying I said X (which is either a misinterpretation or a strawman) or incredibly socially awkward.

>what I meant was blah blah blah blah blah wall of text
>You might very well already be doing it for all I know.
See my first post ():
>>be me
>>spend my entire academic career getting rejected
>>never give up
>>keep going on dates
>>keep acting happy
>>keep doing nice things for those I like (bake cookies, remember birthdays)
>>keep using dating sites
In other words, I clearly prioritise socializing.

The fact you would give me this advice despite my first post leads me to believe you're either (1) a troll or (2) someone incapable of basic reading comprehension. If it's the first, it's pretty pathetic you would try to upset someone who's already sad because of their gender - and it didn't even work because none of your criticisms of my alleged behaviour are relevant to me. If it's the latter, you're an arrogant blowhard so desperate to thrust his arbitrary opinion into every single situation that he completely avoids all relevant information and just wastes everyone's time when they inevitably have to go back and remind him the very foundation of his critique was addressed within the first seven lines.

Original greentexted here Art hoe was actually the same age as me and the other guy. As for physically attractive - I can't really say because I'm not a heterosexual man. She was thinner than me but also had fucked up teeth. So it's not really a clear cut issue of her being prettier.

Again, this is another demonstration of your thoroughly inadequate reading skills.

>post formatting
Oh, okay. Sorry!

>parents
>made it out
Thanks. My dad's awesome. So is my brother. That's important.

>sleep
Night user! You're sweet and I hope things work out well.

...so you admit you just totally made shit up to have a pithy reply? Cool. Only a fucking moron would see a post where the focus is a woman's dashed romantic hopes are the subject and go
> The problem is that this woman is workaholic.
Your comments about """""makeup tutorials""""" clearly demonstrate that you just want to be a cunt and now you're hamstering excuses for why you're not a cunt, but actually helpful and deductive.

>Literally everyone knows age impacts fertility.
Then why ask me for studies and give me shit when I state it's common sense?

>he's engaged to be married to a woman who dropped out of art school
I started replying because of this line and the exchange you had about it. Considering you said you never had any serious relationships (as stated by not having any lasting more than a year), your attempts feel half-assed and as if you're not prioritizing right.

>Again, this is another demonstration of your thoroughly inadequate reading skills.
It's something easily inferred. I don't see why he would reject you to then be with an overall less attractive woman.

>why'd you ask for studies?
Because (1) you were hyperbolic in your initial post and (2) the issue of fertility was not the only baseless claim you made.

>your attempts are half assed
Amazing. I say something, you ignore it and blather on, I point out you igbored it, you accuse me of lying.

Pray tell, is there anything that would actually change your mind? I would say no, which makes me further question your motivations.

>I don't see why...
People aren't video games and you can't compare the stats of me and that other girl and deducd who'd win everytime. Or rather, such a model could exist but it would require way more variables than you bothered to consider.

>Jow Forums users
>changing their minds in light of new info

>avengers
found the normie

>...so you admit you just totally made shit up
Show me the flaw in my reasoning. It should be easy if it's just made up shit.

>Your comments about """""makeup tutorials""""" clearly demonstrate that you just want to be a cunt
That part was in regards to the fact that a bunch of feminists complain about make-up tutorials and beauty magazines and push the whole career and STEM meme hard instead. Both sentences literally follow each other.

>The problem is that this woman is workaholic.
This seems to be a valid hypothesis. It's also a path easy to follow once you lose hope. Which creates a negative feedback loop.

>(1) you were hyperbolic in your initial post
Yeah, I apologized for that and further clarified.
>(2) the issue of fertility was not the only baseless claim you made
Well, as I said, I don't mind expanding on whatever I wrote. You brought up an example, I replied with data. Bring other points lacking in clarity and I'll supplement them with data. Again, I don't believe to have said anything radical.

>Amazing. I say something, you ignore it and blather on, I point out you igbored it, you accuse me of lying.
I don't accuse you of lying. If it was so, I'd say you didn't attempt anything. As I wrote, this is the impression I get when I read you only had a few short relationships and nothing really that serious. This is "looking at the data" too. That combined to the whole career meme being pushed all around.

>Pray tell, is there anything that would actually change your mind?
Changing my mind about what? To be honest, I'm not even sure where the true disagreements lie at this point.

>apologized
You did not.

>other points
>supplement them with data
Well, let's go back to the post I called baseless (). You argued:
1.) That relationships where men are unemployed, work from home, or are the predominant caregiver are "not looking good".
2.) Hypergamy.
3.) Men's desire to be breadwinners being irrespective of their wife's wishes.
4.) That a 25 year old engineer will "win" against a 35 year old.

And going back further ( and )?
5.) Men like that user can't give me a family because...?
6.) Only women would consider an engineering degree a boon to a potential partner.
7.) That I would be better off doing beauty tutorials
8.) That women can always delay a career (meaning that there are no industries that punish late-comers).
9.) That men do not care about a woman's academic or professional accomplishments.

And then, when discussing the other user,
10.) That art school dropout was younger and prettier.

And you were already proven wrong for 6, 7, 9, and 10. You also conceded you cannot empirically support 1.

So why would I continue to debate someone who has already proven themselves woefully inadequate at developing ideas empirically and speaks to me in a horrendously condescending manner ("you got meme'ed")?

>feminists hate makeup and shill STEM!
Oh, wow, that's #11 (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipstick_feminism). They don't follow each other. You assumed I'm a feminist (#12), that all feminism is the same so that comoletely disconnected statements made by feminists could be compared and contrasted (#13), and that feminism is against makeup (#11).

Cont'd...

The way you guys are "analysing" all this shit is completely pointless. Everything you're saying has no meaning and will lead you nowhere. You are just regurgitating phrases and ideas which have no relevance to your existence and which will not help you in any way.

Cont'd reply to .
>I didn't accuse you of lying because I wasn't hyperbolic for a change
Your entire conceit is dependent upon the idea that I gave my career precedent over other areas of my life. I pointed out how stupid that was given my initial reply. You then argued that my initial reply must not actually fulfill your criteria for prioritizing relationships because I was "half assing" it. In other words, when faced with the citation of my own words, you argued those words weren't valid. So if you say my words (that I'm trying to have a relationship) are not representative of reality you are calling me a liar. Another example of your condescending tone.

And speaking of baseless claims, poor reading, and dubious attempts at deduction...
>you argue that my attempts are "half assed" because of the duration of my relationships
So you (#14) argue that my short relationships are a product of my level of dedication despite the fact that my very first post shows myself in a relationship which ends for reasons indepedent of my level of effort.

>change my mind about what
That your initial post gave me irrelevant and useless advice. Plus everything else I listed as baseless.

Look, it's pretty clear from the degree of rudeness and intellectually dishonesty you're demonstrating that you're a troll. I was wrong to waste a portion of my train trip engaging with you since that's what you want. A good portion of the claims you made (such as those about me) cannot be proven empirically so they're of no interest to me. The rest are empirical, but your poor level of decorum makes me disinterested in discussing what could very well be interesting topics. I still find this thread interesting, but this is my last reply to you. As a courtesy, I would seriously encourage you to investigate your inclinations towards being rude and your lack of debate civility.

Best of luck. I mean that sincerely.

The monolith meme isn't limited to feminism. I see tons of posts about incels/robots where they ask how robots can believe two contradictory things. Often these things aren't even contradictory and even when they are it's based on the idea We All Same.

> show me a flaw
You argued art hoe was engaged because she was younger or prettier despite the fact old and ugly women get married all the time.

> valid hypothesis
> literally contradicted by the very first post in the comment chain

> feminists are all exactly the same and all women are feminists
Most of the feminists I know aren't engineers they're basket weaving majors lol. Ever hear about """TERFs"""" and how much trannies hate them? Feminism is a broad school of thought, which you'd know if you read a book.

Tell me about it.

In all seriousness, I do sincerely find debating on the internet really fun. As for the issue of utility - I would argue it doesn't need to help me IRL. Even then, I think you're wrong to assume that. Debating, practicing one's writing, etc. are all very useful skills.

I think it's possible to detect trends in broad movements of thought and contradictions between them but that doesn't work in discussions with individuals.

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>1.) That relationships where men are unemployed, work from home, or are the predominant caregiver are "not looking good".
Directly followed by
> I don't think there's enough of them to have reliable studies on this yet, but it's not looking good. Of course, it could work out well for you
I've read that divorce rate is higher and so is impotence, but as I said there ain't that many of them to have thorough studies of this and it could work out for you.

>2.) Hypergamy.
>Studies of mate selection in dozens of countries around the world have found men and women report prioritizing different traits when it comes to choosing a mate, with men tending to prefer women who are young and attractive and women tending to prefer men who are rich, well-educated, ambitious, and attractive.[7]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy#cite_note-7

>3.) Men's desire to be breadwinners being irrespective of their wife's wishes.
I said most men have this tendency. So, not necessarily to be primary breadwinners, but not to be completely dependant on a woman. Is this truly something you disagree on considering even women are starting to be like this too? Also, linked to previous point.

>4.) That a 25 year old engineer will "win" against a 35 year old.
This one's easy so just look at this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships
There's a nice graph if you scroll down just a little bit.

>5.) Men like that user can't give me a family because...?
I assumed he didn't want a family otherwise his priorities wouldn't be so. An ambitious woman can be very attractive, I get that, but not in regards to having a family. This reply was not particularily serious though since his wasn't elaborate and clearly meant to be insulting without much else.

Part two coming up.

>6.) Only women would consider an engineering degree a boon to a potential partner.
When it comes to men looking to form a family (not just a hook up or a long-term relationship), it's not the priority and it could even backfire. It could be a boon with some, but that's definetely not the most efficient way to go about it considering the massive investment of time it is and the constraints it further produces. Is this still an issue? Also, see (3) once again.

7.) That I would be better off doing beauty tutorials
I don't know if you read my reply to other user. It was in the same post as my reply to you.
>That part was in regards to the fact that a bunch of feminists complain about make-up tutorials and beauty magazines and push the whole career and STEM meme hard instead. Both sentences literally follow each other.

>8.) That women can always delay a career (meaning that there are no industries that punish late-comers).
Well, would you rather delay a career and risk being somewhat less successful within it, but have children or go the other way around and risk not having them? Again, it's a question of priorities.

>9.) That men do not care about a woman's academic or professional accomplishments.
See point (6) and (3).

>10.) That art school dropout was younger and prettier.
Again, I'm waiting to see what's wrong with my line of reasoning.

Part three coming up.

>Oh, wow, that's #11
>feminists hate makeup and shill STEM!
I've seen a lot of them being condescending to make-up tutorials and beauty magazines, although you're right that they do not always form a uniform front and some of them have called the others on it. They do shill STEM though. There are a bunch of bursaries for women to go into it. I mean like getting 6 k for being a female in the program (nothing else). Also, a bunch of events like She Codes available only for women.

>You assumed I'm a feminist (#12)
Nope. I assumed you were exposed to their point of view since you live in society, not that you were one necessarily.

> that all feminism is the same so that comoletely disconnected statements made by feminists could be compared and contrasted (#13
Nope, see (11).

>apologized
>You did not.
I looked it up again:
>Fair enough
OK. I didn't write out "I'm sorry"; I recognized the fairness of your point. This seems more like playing with words to me, but I a apologize for the confusion.

I meant to see point (2) not (3). This messages are getting fucking long.

>I didn't accuse you of lying because I wasn't hyperbolic for a change
Jesus. You're really not in good faith are you?

>which ends for reasons indepedent of my level of effort.
This should have been foreseeable:
>back to England
>I live in Canada
Not the fact that his mother was sick specifically, but that there was a significant chance he'd go back at least for noticeable periods of time. Visa are normally temporary to begin with. This is a conversation that should've been had early on in the relationship.

>That your initial post gave me irrelevant and useless advice.
My original intent was more focused on whether we agreed on the approach to take to have a long-term relationship or not since I can't tell with exactitude what you're truly doing in regards to this, not being in your life. My whole point was to counter the career meme pushed by feminism. I never intended this to be a lengthy discussion.

>the degree of rudeness
You're the one that has been the most rude to me. I don't think I ever insulted you directly like you did right next to this statement
>intellectually dishonesty
I conceded some points, clarified my position and provided data to most of the claim you raised and that I upheld, only waiting for further clarifications on your part for the rest.
>I would seriously encourage you to investigate your inclinations towards being rude and your lack of debate civility.
I would encourage you to do the same. Calling other people trolls and claiming intellectual dishonesty is quite rude considering the aforementioned point.

>Best of luck. I mean that sincerely.
Well, now, who sounds condescending? If your whole point in regards to my rudeness pertains to my presumed condescenscion, I think this ought to give you food for thoughts. Resonding to the tone alone doesn't really make the debate progress.

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By the same standard, what's the point of telling us?

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> Best of luck. I mean that sincerely.
> Well, now, who sounds condescending?
> Good for you, really

Hmmm.....

I was being sincere. I obviously can't prove that anymore than she can with her own sentence, though. Hence why I don't really see much point in adressing the tone of the conversation, as I wrote.

Except she didn't just complain about tone. You cited a Wikipedia article that contradicts you and didn't empirically support the vast majority of what you said. Don't like being treated like a cunt? Like I said before, don't act like one.

>a person who LIVES IN A SOCIETY and believes in feminist ideals isn't a feminist

Dude your retarded.
She put asexual so guys stopped trying flirt with her.
She maybe likes you tho so try again with dinner and keep going until she specificly tells you she is not interested in a sexual relationship
If she asks just tell her you didn't know she was asexual.

Bruh not every girl is a whore. There are lots of girls that don't fuck every guy they see. Even after college she might have only had 2 or 3 guys

Are you kidding me. Improving yourself has everything to do with having sex. Whether it be improving your social skills, physic, talent. You think you are going to get laid being a piece of shit slob?

as soon as she meets a random Chad, her asexuality will be gone