Why do successful people pretend to be "hard workers"? Whether it's physical work or mental work...

In one conversation a rich person will pontificate about how lazy the poor are, about how long and hard he works, the trials he faces and how he deserves his hard earned wealth.
In the next conversation, he will brag and laugh about how it's all about office politics, about who you bang, who you flirt with, who you shame, how well you can speak.

It's all an invisible game. That is all it is. All designed to trick others into losing while increasing their winnings. Not a single drop of sincerity to it. A game of denial and deception and memes.

>What about poorly paid programmers
Where are those poorly paid programmers? Starting salary in BA/NY/Seattle is 150k straight after college, not luxurious but better than 99% of other americans.

Directors/VPs/C-suite people usually work way harder than average worker. Shareholders, and middle management are leeches though.

>Well, my general manager listened to the scientist
>The lawyer
>The product manager
>The stakeholder manager

All of whom have had years and years of training and years of commitment to get to where they are. Me, as the acting CEO, because it used to be my Dad's company, have decided to listen to my general manager. Man! What a hard job I have!

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You think this actually passes for an argument?

why do CEOS still get their boni when tanking a corporation

>starting salary is 150k after college
I managed to start in a fucking Fortune 500 company and I started at 98k. The fuck companies are you talking about?

say what you think the percentage is of CEO's who are working at their dads company. i need a good laugh.

yes they do you disgusting commie because they take all the fuck risk. unlike your monkey fucking ass. literally nigger slaves did your work before they were set free

Amazon, microsoft, google, apple, indeed, etc.
Not that guy but I have a bunch of friends in tech. After stocks and bonuses its easily 150k but probably not base for SDE 1.

The funny thing is that in Seattle, they still need programmers so bad that they have accelerated certificate programs for women, after 6 months of bullshit classes they get a job in amazon or something to sit around and make 100k+ waiting for a real programmer to write their code lol

And then, instead of refuting what the poor person says, the rich person just laughs at the poor person, or the way in which the poor person spoke, and implies the poor person cannot possibly understand the intelligent game he is playing, and that is why he is poor. He won't give concrete responses or facts. All he can do is be vague, make implications, and mock, using his higher social position as the only foundation for his mockery: "I'm better than you because I'm better than you, and if you weren't worse than me, you'd understand that, and that's why you're worse and I'm better."

>How are they "given" it?

Because someone who had power before them decided to give it to them.

What risk? The rich person fails and he has wealth and connections and fame to fall back on. He loses little other than some of his infinite comfort. The workers beneath him lose, they starve and die.
You might say that the rich person has the shoulder the risk of all the workers beneath him starving and dying. That's more like a hostage situation though: if he goes down he's taking everyone down with him so show him respect... or else.

>"I'm better than you because I'm better than you, and if you weren't worse than me, you'd understand that, and that's why you're worse and I'm better."
But this is a perfectly valid point.

Poor people are heroin addicts. They would forget the whole conversation in 2 days. Not a good investment of time.

And how did that person have it? Did it just fall down from the sky on top of his head?

Nice invisible game, you have no point in your post, your only intention is to bait me into saying a "wrong" response. You're just sitting and waiting for me to say what you predict me to say so you can give your stock response you already have prepared. Not an ounce of sincerity. You don't want to actually talk, you just want to play a game.
Nice non sequitur.

>I have access to higher paying jobs than you because of my skills and abilities.

Imagine actually believing this. lmao

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It's not a non sequitur.

Why the fuck would I want to talk to a communist? Communists should not talk, they should stand in line QUIETLY while waiting to be shot in the head.

>I mean, I'm sure most CEOs work hard, but there are plenty of ones that really mess up and leave with millions in their pockets.
Exactly, that's why when you get a good one they're worth millions of dollars a year.

If you don't believe it you must be black?

Not him but almost all CEOs do so on connections of some level. Sometimes its not directly family related but they are often passed down the position from a friend or mentor figure. Sure they need skills, but its mostly social skills. If you were a meathead you could still be a CEO as long as people like you and respect you.

nuke or delete this thread already it just makes me sick.

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also, to add on to that point, most large public companies (ie companies where big important allocations of resources are made) have board decisions rather than one individual saying what's what. usually the ceo is just a stooge that tries to make all the board directors happy, and keep every board members pockets lined

>The world is perfectly fair! Capitalism is a meritocracy that rewards the smartest and hardest working people. Everyone gets what they deserve. You're the problem not the system.

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>Does the power to do that just fall down on top of their heads from the heavens?
Literally yes.

>connections
>of some level
Wow you are really smart

Actually yes. How else? You think people climb up there with hard work and dedication, earning everyone's respect along the way? Lmfaooooo fuck no

>Work at law firm
>Entry level salary $190K
>abovethelaw.com/2018/06/new-york-to-190k-no-cravath-didnt-make-the-first-move/
>All lawyers expected to work around the clock 24/7 for our clients, who are corporations
>Get emails at literally any time from 12am to 12am the next day, 4am, you name it, and we're expected to response
>We also represent shareholders, who put money into the corporations that regular everyday people work in, in hopes of getting more money

This guy knows quite a bit what he's talking about.

In the end, it's all a meaningless game. We're all playing characters most of the time.

That's not far fetched at all. Some jobs have like only 5 guys in the country capable of doing them so those jobs pay millions

>Who is that guy quoting? He smells like he hasn't showered in 4 weeks

>I post pictures and snarky statements rather than making a real arguments

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>Is this rhetoric how they keep poor people from rising up against them?
You answered yourself.

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Considering there's one CEO for about 100 workers, you can afford to play the CEO that much because it's a very exclusive position. Just because someone is doing well, doesn't mean the others are doing bad, if you divided that money by everyone else you could more easily make a decision that would jeopardize everyone as well

>MFW all the corporate bootlickers in this thread

I can literally hear emergency damage control protocols being activated

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None of these decisions affect CEOs. They all have golden parachutes and will be rewarded (or rather, will reward themselves) for failure with massive bonuses and job offers from other corporations

Radical ideologies such as terrorism recruit people from angry and marginalized groups. Robots are one such group. The people posting leftist political threads on Jow Forums are trying to manipulate the bitterness and coping of robots towards people more successful than themselves. They want you to fight for their benefit for free.
Don't listen to them and tell them to go to Jow Forums, the politics board.

>Company A and Company B are competing
>Company A pays it's leaders more money
>Company B donates money to a twitch streamer and supermarket cashier
>Company A takes over the industry and Company B goes bankrupt, many people lose their homes and cry

There are a tiny, tiny percentage of companies that have a sustainable model where they don't need to pay an executive team ridiculous amounts of money. Most of those are being led by the people who started the company and are just humble.

I agree that reinvesting profits into developing people and making them more comfortable is something often overlooked, but if you're talking specifically about how much CEO's are paid, it is usually based on competition and is fair.

>Everyone has a chance. Capitalism said so. You're just making excuses. No wonder you're a virgin. You have nothing to offer a woman and you have a terrible personality. Unlike me.

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>People criticizing CEO's and people who inherit an upper class lifestyle through the circumstances of their birth.

HATE SPEECH, What a bunch of TERRORISTS.

>I make big decisions so that means I deserve billions of dollars
>I can make a bad decision and destroy the country's economy but that's ok because the government will bail me out and punish the poor for my incompetence

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>using a computer
>probably lives in an apartment or house
>hates the system
pottery

>living in a house and using technology means you can't criticize this fucked up system
I guess the slaves could never criticize the institution of slavery because their owners fed them. Not comparing our current system to slavery but that's how retarded you sound.

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In this thread we should be more interested in proposals rather than self-expression. Leftists of Jow Forums, what do you think would be a sensible solution to wealth inequality and poverty worldwide?

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"Working hard" is for low IQ retards. Any triple digit individual should look for ways to do less work for more benefit.

>he lives in a house
>hates the system
>probably isn't even working in a government office to fix the system
lol. you misunderstand, kiddo. it's entertaining and i encourage you to criticize it. you probably have a lot of experience and can compare it to a lot of different systems that work so well. but i can criticize your gay ass too.

>>Everyone has a chance.

You're under the mistaken impression that I care *why* you can't do the work.

I don't care if you were born poor. I don't care if you were abused as a child. I don't care if you don't have Chad's genetics. I don't care if you're short and weak. I don't care if you have a mental disability. I don't care if you have anxiety you can't control. I don't care if you were bullied. I don't care if you were socially ostracized. And most importantly, I don't care if you think any of these things are "your fault".

All I care about is: if I give you a task to do, are you going to fucking show up and do it properly? That's it. If you can do that, I will be happy to pay you to do it. If you can't, GO FUCK YOURSELF. Starve. Die. I don't care.

The absolute spectacle of people who admit, up front, that they're absolutely unreliable, that they're incredibly weak, that they have no useful skills, and that they're unable or unwilling to talk to people they don't know, bitching that they aren't CEO's...it's stupefying.

>inherit an upper class lifestyle through the circumstances of their birth.
This is perfectly natural and perfectly good. If you remove the incentive for people to improve their station and create a better life for children, what the fuck do you think will happen? No one would do it. It would be a regressive fucking dystopia, much like every example of communism ever both in theory and practice.

>The only thing I care about is if the job applicant can do the duties of his job.

Sure you do buddy.

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Have you never watched the news? If youre a CEO of a big company you get a huge tax free bonus even if you fuck up so badly that the company loses billions.

Communism has fed these losers the lie that everyone is equal, both in capacity and ability, and the reason they aren't CEOs themselves is because the system is unjust.

Reality is unjust, and you are worthless garbage, and there is nothing that is ever going to change that. Dragging everyone down to your level is not an improvement, it would in fact make your life infinitely more miserable. Instead what you should do is, to provide something useful to the rest of society, which is how it has been for all time, forever: people making themselves useful in some way, because if you are not useful you are useless and there is no reason for anyone to care in the slightest whether you live or die. I mean that literally, why should I care if you exist if you provide me with nothing in return? Why should your superiors enslave themselves to you and give you free stuff "just because"? It's impossible, untenable, and never going to happen, you commie fuck.

>you have to work for the system in order to criticize it
>you have to be a chef in order to know food tastes bad
>you have to be a director to know that a movie is garbage
>there are only a limited amount of systems and we are forbidden from making a new one

>>there are only a limited amount of systems and we are forbidden from making a new one
No but we are forbidden from making a worse one, so communism or anything communisty is out.

CEOs get more money, Chad gets more pussy. Your criticism isn't directed towards the contents of their character. You are just a jealous troglodyte who wants to bring his betters down instead of commiting the effort to improve himself. Your mindset is cancerous.

>Anyone can organize if they're given that kind of power.

This is absolutely false. Most people can't organize their way out of a fucking paper bag.

Learn SQL, and get your hands on the data from just about any medium-sized organization. The data will tell you pretty clearly that most people are incompetent. I'm surprised that humanity survives, actually. Most people have no idea what they're doing, squander most of the assets they're given, refuse to measure performance in any meaningful way, misuse every system they're instructed to use, and go through the motions of methods and workflows that were half-taught to them by their predecessors. Even most upper-middle-level managers are too stupid and disorganized to ask "first day of business school" questions like "Do we know where all of our assets are?" and "Did we only pay suppliers who actually delivered supplies?" and "Are we sending accurate information to the accounting department?"

This is why companies and individuals who achieve relatively minor improvements eat everyone else's lunch. It's also why it's an actively good thing when an older or established company dies - because that clears out entrenched incompetence that is just going through the motions. And that turbulence in firm success is going to produce wealthy people and broke people.

Capitalism is the one that says everyone is equal and if you're not a CEO it's because you're lazy.

>bitching that they aren't CEO's
No one is bitching about not being CEOs user. Not everyone wants to be a CEO. We just don't understand why we work our asses off but still live paycheck to paycheck, meanwhile a guy who work about ten hours a week spends his free time in yachts and his money on bribing politicians to do what he likes.

Robert Reichs little book "Saving Capitalism" is a good start.

>that guy who can't stop complaining about the food he eats and movies he watches
like i said, we need retards like you

Why do normies think they're smarter than us because they have more money? Having money has nothing to do with skill. It's called nepotism. Normies control the system and they reward other normies. They control the entire economy. They control all the property. No amount of hard work or intelligence can overcome these odds.

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look kid you just dont understand economics okay. theres a reason he's a CEO and you're not. lol learn economics. learn physics.

Im not a communist. I'm for the idea of a mixed economy, a mix of capitalism and socialism. We have that today, it's just that socialism is reserved for the rich while everyone else has to earn what little they have.

>2019
>not being a nepotist
yes you are dumber

I don't give a fuck about CEOs. I don't give a shit if someone is rich. It's just fucked up that people in America are eating gold plated pizzas while others don't even have clean drinking water and catch 3rd world diseases like hookworm. This shouldn't happen in one of the richest countries on earth, kid.

>CEO pay is based on competition
Are you pretending?

>>The only thing I care about is if the job applicant can do the duties of his job.
>Sure you do buddy.

To be precise, I care about whether you can perform the duties of your job *without making more work for me, or giving me additional concern*. There are many people - and probably a lot of robots - who are probably capable of doing a job, but everything about them telegraphs that they are going to be a giant pain in the ass and/or are difficult to trust with responsibility. In addition, I also care about my own productivity; I've been a company principal and in that situation the productivity of the principals is the most important concern on the table, and if you harm the productivity of one of the principals you're fucking out.

>America are eating gold plated pizzas while others don't even have clean drinking water and catch 3rd world diseases like hookworm. This shouldn't happen in one of the richest countries on earth, kid.
It's because they're black

>Capitalism is the one that says everyone is equal and if you're not a CEO it's because you're lazy.

It does not say that. It says that if you aren't equal, and your inferiority prevents you from producing goods or services that are of economic value to others, GO FUCK YOURSELF.

That's actually the best thing about capitalism. It doesn't actually care if you're lazy. I know guys who are "smart, but lazy" (the real kind, not the meme kind) and they do just fine because they're smart enough that the contribution they make while they're focused on a task has actual value. In fact, a lot of operational improvements at organizations often come from lazy guys - because they are always on the lookout for a way to do less work, or a way to automate something they see as a pain in the ass.

No. Capitalism assumes everyone is equal in potential and tells lazy and homeless people that the reason they're homeless is because they're lazy and refuse to "apply themselves". Just look at how normies talk to us robots.

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>We just don't understand why we work our asses off but still live paycheck to paycheck

If you're honest, you'll admit that the overwhelming majority of the "Yay Communism" voices on this board are NEET garbage. I know very few people who work 37 hours a week who are real, live Communists. OTOH I know quite a few people who routinely say

>Ima too a-scared to leave the house and talk to people, people is so scary!

...who then turn around and tell me that capitalism is evil because rich guys get all the chicks. That's the REAL voice of Communism on this board.

no it doesn't, try again if you want to make a point.

CEOs and entrepreneurs "work" 120 hours a week but they count every last thing they do as work, even if they're browsing facebook while eating lunch they say it's networking.
even when they're actually in the office they're not doing shit half the time. yeah i've been working my ass off working 168 hours a week, give me a fucking break...

YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE THEY HAVE VALUABLE SKILLS AND YOU DONT!!!

>If you're honest, you'll admit that the overwhelming majority of the "Yay Communism" voices on this board are NEET garbage
I don't know that. This is an anonymous message board, I have no idea how many communists there are here, neither do you. Btw this board revolves around NEETS
>I know very few people who work 37 hours a week who are real, live Communists
Because saying anything positive about communism in public in America is like saying you worship satan. It's a cuss word here. Most Americans have no idea what communism actually is, our media throw the "communist" label on anyone that tries to help out the working class, and most people who support communism probably won't admit it.
>...who then turn around and tell me that capitalism is evil because rich guys get all the chicks
I've never heard or read that before, not even on this board. Not a communist btw, Im just not completely brainwashed and I understand some of the points they're making.

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What is that? An onion?

Imagine just having to sit down and see some report some fucking happy merchant typed out saying you could save five billion by hiring poo-in-loos or chinks to do a job, and everyone gives you a round of applause and a $300 million dollar check for it. Meanwhile someone on their feet with a 15 minute break in between a ten hour shift that involves repetitive labor that instantly gets them fired if they fuck up is paid $2 an hour. The world fucking sucks.

You're obviously dumb and poor if you can't figure that out, sorry bye

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its a game, and there are winners and there are losers. losers don't win

>Capitalism assumes everyone is equal in potential

No, it doesn't.

In fact, the very reason capitalism works is because the operation of the market moves productive assets away from people who are inferior in potential.

Imagine having the production of food and energy for everyone be dependent on the denizens of this board managing to not fuck up for a change. Nah, I'll pass. Thank you, capitalism, for making sure this gang of moronic NEETs have limited access to, and authority over, productive resources.

I know this word trigger a lot of mutts and Jow Forumscels, but many people are too stubborn to admit they had privileges, so they need to pretend the race was fair.

>literally every reply to this post is a butthurt backhanded rebuttal
Jesus. Nu-r9k in a nutshell.

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>they need to pretend the race was fair

It literally doesn't actually matter if the race was "fair".

>Where are those poorly paid programmers? Starting salary in BA/NY/Seattle is 150k straight after college, not luxurious but better than 99% of other americans.

i make $19 per hour and i program in javascript + java. this is after 5 years experience

fuck off with your "muh 150k right out of college" nonsense

How does it not "matter"?
Usain Bolt is faster than me, but I can beat him in a race at 100m if he starts at 0m and I start at 90m.

Why do you think it's ok for people who are BORN with an inability to produce profit deserve the poverty they will as a result experience? Why is it ok for people who inherit high intelligence to do better than people who inherit low intelligence. People have NO CONTROL over their intelligence, and so you are punishing people who CANNOT help themselves. You are a fucking moron, plain and simple.

Or at least very little control over their intelligence. Even granted that people can increase their intelligence, which is only possible marginally, it still isn't fair for dumber people to have to work their asses ofd just so that they can be as smart as someone who happened to be born with good genes.

Think of it this way:

Let's say I need a heart operation and I have money available to spend on that operation.

Chad was born into a rich family, is genetically highly intelligent, and was given a great education including private tutors. Because of his good looks, he got positive social reinforcement all his life and has always been a happy and productive person. He sails through high school and college, getting great grades easily, and loved by all. He then goes to medical school. He decides to be a surgeon, and in addition to all his other gifts it turns out he also was born with the natural dexterity required to be a great surgeon.

user is born into a poor family and is genetically mediocre in looks and intelligence. His parents are lazy derelicts who didn't care about his education. He never gets positive social reinforcement and is alienated from people as a result. He passes high school indifferently and goes to a community college for two years. He's also kind of a spaz, and can barely tie his own shoelaces.

Now, from a certain perspective none of the differences between Chad and user are user's "fault". But so fucking what? Chad is the one who can perform the operation, and user can't. How they GOT that way doesn't fucking matter. Chad can do it, user can't. Therefore Chad should get to be a surgeon, and user should not. Chad should get paid the economic value he delivers by performing the surgery, and user should not.

That's why I don't care what your fucking sob story is. If you can't produce any economic value for me, I don't owe you any economic value in return. In fact, if your sob story turns out to be true, that just cements me in that view - because you're admitting you produce no economic value, you just have a laundry list of excuses for why you don't.

And it's not a punishment. I'm not taking anything away from you. I'm just not paying you for doing something you admit up front you can't do because reasons.

you don't program shit. that's the salary of a janitor

and he will beat everyone who starts at 0m. in fact, it may take him an extra year to get to where you are, he'll probably become much richer and more successful over time.