Question for man-bots (21 years old or older with a job and a car).
Does a woman being a feminist make her less attractive to you. I find it pretty gross. I would love to work with one but I would never date a feminist. They just seem less pretty too.
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it depends, two people who call themselves feminists can believe some totally opposite things
honestly most feminists i've met give feminists a bad reputation
i'd say statistically i'd probably hate her
Of course, I don't want to go to jail for false accusation. or lose my job.
>man-bots
The absolute STATE of Jow Forums.
I Have only seen feminists on the internet.
I have a colleague who always complains about his overbearing and argumentative wife, which might be similar? He says it is normal to just let her do what she does and only vent his anger at work because he doesnt want to ruin his marriage.
I'm 23 KVH so being in a relationship sounds impossible but I wouldn't want to be in one like that.
>Does a woman being a feminist make her less attractive to you.
If she's one of those rainbow hair patriarchy haters, then she'll look hideous to me. You can't live with someone like that, because you will be constantly walking on eggshells around her. Say one wrong thing and she'll chew your fucking head off.
im fine with the concept or feminism aka equal shit but I really hate the people who call them self feminists. They usually spurt out bullshit or are just annoying to talk to because all they do is
>men got it alot better then females in society
>men are so privileged
and when you tell them that no it's not better to be a man they go full sperg andshit.
so yes a feminist is less attractive
hey my fellow male it is better than r9gay
No, she's just a bitch. Feminists don't appear in appreciable numbers unless you live in some pozzed city like I do. For the most part, they're the ugly girls and rejects from high school who have managed to turn that into a form of social equity. So, feminists were always unattractive, they've just turned being unattractive into a lifestyle instead of working on improving themselves.
Yes. Women that call themselves feminists are all fucking crazy and should not be trusted. They usually end up being sluts with Daddy issues that wouldn't know what commitment was if it was shoved up their loose roastie cooter.
I would never be friends with a feminist much less actually make them my girlfriend
Successful males are liars and they don't belong here.
>implying you're female
My girlfriend is a self proclaimed feminist. She at some point asked me what i think about all of that and gay rights and so on and i told her that i don't give a shit. I told her that i enjoy that she can take care off herself and earn her own money and that she has a personality much greater then gossip and makeup. I do support that females live up to male standards which i guess makes me a bit of a feminist myself, but yea - it's not like she's lecturing me about the wage gap or some shit so i'm fine.
Of course everything got its limits, but generally speaking i enjoy a woman with a 'male personality'.
>60% of women consider themselves feminists
>67% of men classify themselves as not feminists
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I wonder how people justify the contradiction inherent in "not being a misogynist but think less of 60% of women for their personality"
Honestly they're typically worse in person. Feminist is practically synonymous with female-chauvinism now.
Years ago some of them were pretty cool and I would have been thrilled to date one. Now a days if they told me they were a feminist I'd assume it's their way of letting me know they're greedy, manipulative, selfish, narcissistic, and their friends are too.
This is an article from the washington post. Why would roasties think this doesn't go both ways? HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
>Does a woman being a feminist make her less attractive to you
Depends on the kind of feminist. If it's the SJW journo type that's afraid of boobs and any girl less than 300lbs, then no. But if it's the normal kind that genuinely just wants equality I actually find that more attractive than a regular girl
You really find it strange that someone may dislike 60% of the women population? I think 95% of the people I have ever met are irrelevant to me in an emotional basis
I appreciate feminism because it lets me filter out ignorant and illiterate women who are as misguided as someone claiming to be a nazi in 2k19
>Thinking less of a woman because of her personality is misogynist
YOU ARE FUCKING MORONIC!
i cant see myself actually marrying/ getting a gf whos a feminist. no problem fucking them but i refuse to spend any meaningful time with them
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>nobody asks for sauce
Honestly.
Disliking the majority of women and basing your beliefs upon this dislike is inherently misogynistic.
This thread is full of how all feminists
>screech about patriarchy
>have crayon color hair
>don't do anything but talk about how great women are
If you believe anywhere near 6 in 10 women are like this, you're literally prejudiced against women. It's also likely you're falling for a Jow Forums shill.
Which one are you more likely to date. Left or right?
I hope you do know that feminists are not exclusively those insane overweight neckbeards with purple hair. It's just the most annoying ones. The majority of them got their hearts and minds in the right place.
I honestly dont give a fuck if she is a feminist or not, I only have a problem if she is a misandrist or is obsessed with the subject (aka: a pink haired tumblurina).
>reiterating my point for me
Don't tell r9k that
>someone claiming to be a nazi in 2k19
Nobody claims to be a nazi, the people that dont like them label them as such
>Disliking the majority of women
No. Misogyny is hatred towards ALL women. The sample of men in the survey dislikes feminists which make up 60% of the sample of women. They don't dislike the other 40% or have expressed dislike for women in general.
>If you believe anywhere near 6 in 10 women are like this, you're literally prejudiced against women
No, this is prejudice against feminists. Also you know how to properly use literally.
These are the feminists who have shaped the public's image of feminism. If you don't like it then clean your movement and gatekeep it.
>>Disliking the majority of women
>No. Misogyny is hatred towards ALL women.
Dude, i'm totally now a mysogynist, i just hate 99.5%, just accept my opinion maaan.
I do not want someone who identifies as feminist
Someone who would actually use that word to define their personality is not someone I will be attracted or fascinated or even curious towards
Most people are engineered products
Someone claiming to be a feminist is an engineered product wether she likes to admit it or not
There is no authenticity there
There is no uniqueness
There is either ignorant adherence to a label that one does not comprehend due to lack of reading
Or there is fanatical adherence to a label that ends up composing the core of their personality
This does not just apply to feminism
You do not have much life experience if you believe all these 67% of women are highly authentic and unique in their thoughts
Or that their thoughts have any substance at all
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And I said I had no emotional connection to 95% of the people that I have interacted with and known
You do understand 95% of people encompasses both men and women right? And you do understand being emotional irrelevant to me is the complete opposite of hate?
>misogyny means you have to hate all women
>"I'm not racist, I don't hate all black people, I just hate niggers! What? Is that too politically incorrect for you, nigger?"
Lmfao
Honestly, most women, feminist or not, probably find you gross.
By the way, did a feminist reject you recently?
>Imagine coming up with this analogy and thinking you showed him good
lol
>I don't want to date a feminist
My point doesn't have to deal with who you do/don't want to date, but how you downgrade your opinion of someone because they identify with equal rights for women
>they're just not unique enough, 60% of women fall into 2 categories because they believe in equal rights for women
I really could not point out how it's misogynist to think this way in a manner that you would be able to comprehend and understand. It would require the mental fortitude that you listen to someone outside of your bubble, and with us being on Jow Forums, that's highly unlikely. It took until years after I left the cess pool for me to understand and empathize with another person's beliefs and values, and you're likely unable to do this due to this reason or that. It's just genuinely mind-boggling that you feel unable to have responsibility for your misogyny.
Im going to fuck one who knows Im a blumpf supporter in a week or so and its gonna be hot as fuark
idk about marriage to someone with opposite political opinions though
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>Losing the argument
>Cry racist
You are a stereotype. A caricature come to life.
So what you're saying is that we should embrace all the individuals from a group unconditionally otherwise we are [buzzword goes here].
Why do retards always start their strawmans with "so what you're saying is [strawman argument]"
>hahaha I WIN THE ARGUMENT ON 4CHANZ
Yes. I find SJWs of all types obnoxious and irritating.
If their looks/personality are good enough in other ways then that could make up for it but the more outspoken they are about muh feminism then the better they'd have to be in other areas.
Doesn't necessarily hold if it's just about sex. One of the most outspokenly feminist/pro-LGBT/leftist girls I know is also one of longest running off-and-on sexual relationships. Her personality is boring, her face is nothing special, her body is hot but not incredible - but fuck if she doesn't let me do whatever the fuck I want to her in the bedroom.
>Tries to wiggle out
>Gets pointed out
>Tries to bullshit his way out instead of addressing the points raised
Hating the feminists among women doesn't mean hating women in general. There are men feminists and there are women who aren't feminists.
That said, I don't think of myself as sexist. I work in a female-dominated field (medicine) and many of the women I know are far smarter, harder-working and more compassionate than me.
I have no problem with women being allowed into whatever field they want (bar most of the military) but no allowances should be made for them. It's not 'the patriarchy' responsible for male domination in politics, high-level business or STEM - it's just the natural inclination of the sexes.
>there are even women who disagree with feminism so CHECKMATE LIBERAL
I really wonder what you're attempting to do, here. I am horrendously outnumbered, in terms of Jow Forums's population, on the subject. I clearly have no change in my evidence-based posts, and it's not going to be any different from you playing debate on a Tijuana imageboard.
>>man-bots
>they keep bumping the thread over and over
Guess I'm going to have to hide a hundred threads again soon.
Point to your evidence.
Yeah desu but nearly all women are feminists, so what can you do.
Depends what kind, not if she hated men. I wouldnt want a "Trad Wife." I want a woman who isnt a drooling retard, but is actually an admirable person, and I doubt a woman like that would not consider themselves a feminist.
I cited my source that 60% of women are feminists, try scrolling up.
Then, scroll up and think of what the average woman looks and acts like, and compare it with
I prefer the term Boyzz.
Politically active ones, yeah.
The opinions of some people are evidence to what? That all men who hate feminists are irrational? But at the same time as you claimed in only some feminists are like the stereotype these guys hate? You are a hypocrite.
Plus the crazy dyke feminists are a large enough part of the movement to form crowds and have protests on their own.
You are claiming that not supporting feminism is equal to misogyny.
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Misogyny is hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women, or prejudice against women.
It is gender specific and directed at the entirety of the female gender. Feminism on the other hand is an ideology. Some men embrace it and some women don't. Therefore feminism=/=female gender and disliking feminism=/=disliking the entire female gender.
>The opinions of some people are evidence to what?
That the people stating these opinions are misogynist. That's why I told you to scroll up to my citation, where my original claim was made.
>That all men who hate feminists are irrational?
[Strawman argument]
>only some feminists are like the stereotype these guys hate? You are a hypocrite.
6/10 women identify as feminists. The posters quoted attributed the majority of these women as radfem, which makes up 1/10 women, same source as before (should've read my source)
>You are claiming that not supporting feminism is equal to misogyny.
I never made that claim. This is a strawman.
>Misogyny [...] prejudice against women.
As evidenced by thinking the majority of women are rainbow haired "crazy dykes"
>It is gender specific and directed at the entirety of the female gender.
Again, this is the "I don't hate black people, I just hate niggers" argument. Your argument hinges on you attributing 6/10, a majority, being equivalent to 1/10, a severe minority. Applying a standard that a minority of people represent the majority is the basis of stereotypes.
Love women that care about the world around them, so feminist would be a huge plus.
I roll my eyes whenever I hear a girl claiming the nonsensical antifeminist crap and how it's all about showing your tits and whatever, this unfortunately is still pretty common. Nothing wrong with demanding better conditions for your gender when males have it on easy mode.
>males have it on easy mode
>4x more suicides
>97% of workplace deaths
>99% of combat deaths
>always viewed as a backseat parent, no one thinks you can or want to take care of your own kid
>everyone assumes you're a pedophile, but say its motherlike for a woman to do the same things
>men are abused 44% of the time, yet theres only 1 shelter in the entire US for males
>unless the mother is 100% not able to take care of the child, you will never win a custody fight and will be lucky to evem get custody despite paying 33% of your paycheck for a kid you dont get to see
>expected to never show emotions, never be weak, always be a man
>92% of women admitted theyd think less of their man if he cried, 57% admitted they'd consider leaving him, 28% said they know they'd leave him. 89% say they think its a sign of weakness
>83% of women say they'd think less of their man if they found out he was raped
>cant be a teacher as being alone with kids is a fast way to get your life ruined over pedophile accusations
>schools are now telling boys who are naturally energetic and curious to be not energetic and not curious, destroying any chance that the boys would enjoy learning.
>false rape accusations destroy a boys life, but females who actually raped get 40% the sentence a man would
Females are 2.5x less likely to get tickets from police for the same infractions as men.
>females are now openly admitting to using men for free food and nothing more, 33% self reporting to doing so.
>women think that men saying they shouldnt use makeup is abusive and manipulative, but 48% of women say they would think less of their man if he used acne creams.
Easy mode my ass. Eat a bullet.
Brother, convincing an actual feminist of how contradictory their world view is with the reality of western industrialized society is a wasted endevour.
Remember these are the same people who don't consider male genital mutilation to exist in the western world despite it being performed legally on every hospital in the USA, while at the same time considering female genital mutilate in 3rd world 50 IQ african countries to be a crime against humanity.
Men brought that crap on themselves. Why the fuck would you blame women on your shitty workplace environment due to other men not caring about you, or over wars started by men and their silly egos.
Of course having embraced the tough alpha attitude means you shouldn't cry, lose a fight or be weak either, this is a natural consequence on the view men imposed on themselves.
Their debauchery, a trait men still congratulate themselves into (Chad fucks so much right?) will of course be associated with being unable to do parenting and being a danger around children because if he decides they are desirable he might feel entitled to rape. Again, imposed on themselves
Schools trying to change this is progress, false rape will always be a lesser problem than actual rape so no point discussing that.
But to sum it up, men had the power to build this image of themselves at will, unlike women who during history were forced to comply with whatever men thought of them. If they made shitty decisions with that power it sucks to be them, but it's still life on easy mode. If you have a superpower and you're retarded with it, you still have a superpower. Had men been smarter, none of those would be problems in the first place.
So i'm gonna tell you why it's awesome to be a guy:
>can piss outside into some bushes whenever you need to
>can piss in disgusting public toilets without getting too close
>can persue my dreams and career without getting a weird look "for not knowing my place"
>can go out at night without fear of being assaulted by random men
>can carry heavy shit and punch someone out if i need to
>instantly taken seriously when approaching someone in professional talks
>i don't bleed out of my dick once a month
>i don't need to push a fucking child out there at some point
>i don't have to watch my diet that much because of my high metabolism due to muscles
>i am expected to lead and make decisions and i happily do so
>i do only what i want to do period
>i can act stupid and do stupid un-reasonable things without any comments because 'boys will be boys'
>i could fuck arround all day every day without being labled a slut
>i can check out good looking girls and compliment their looks without it appearing weird
>i can worship my girlfriend and make her happy with stupid little presents
>i can literally throw my girlfriend arround and fuck her as hard and often as i feel like
Being a guy implies that you have to be active - if you are passive however being a female would be favorable.
Guys are expected to do shit like hit on girls, girls are supposed to say yes or no. I like being the active part.
You're a moron, every living human being in society as been, at all times in history, bound by it's available mechanisms of control and has had a role he / she has had to fufill in order for society to work.
Females were child beering machines for most of humanity as their role in society and even in civilizations
Males are disposable canonfodder unless they're at part of the elite class in society
It wasn't males or females who brought this on ourselfs, it was simply that this was the most eficient and viable strategy for societies to flourish and survive.
We're all victims of natural selection and society being composed of humans who are bound to natural selection will be bent and shaped by the system into roles that ensure the survivability of said system.
This is why societies who didn't use slaves didn't make it into civilizational stages
This is why societies who didn't view women as child bearing machines didn't survive
This is why societies who overall didn't view males as disposable and incorporated this into their heads by force or indoctrination didn't survive.
This is why feminism and other ideologies are made for individuals with no authenticity or genuine thoughts of their own. You actually believe that "Men" whatever that is, decided to one rule society in this way, and that in your position in the 2k19 year you can transcend your oversocialized values into what has been the entirity of mankinds history.
>piss in bushes
Women can too?
>public toilets
Fair point but ill get onto it later
>Can pursue dreams
If i told everyone i wanted to be a babysitter id get weird looks
>without fear of being assaulted
Thats very fair
>carry heavy shit and punch people
Women can get just as strong as men, men just get somewhat stronger naturally. Women can get there too
>taken seriously
If you have a deep voice and/or a beard sure, otherwise you arent.
>dont bleed out of dick
Fair but ill get onto that
>have to have a kid
No not really, no one forces you to.
>high metabolism
Too much or too little testosterone makes the metabolism incredibly slow.
>expected to lead and happy to do so
Expected to lead maybe sure, but most men arent happy to do so, we can be socially anxious too
>i do only what i want to period
Women can do the same thing?
>boys will be boys
Thats literally been reversed, as i said young boys are being shit on in school heavily while young girls have it easy.
>fuck around all day
True but STD's can be karma
>check out girls and not be weird
If youre a good looking man surex but 80% of us are a 6.5/10 or lower
>worship my gf
A girl can worship her man? Youd be surprised at how many dudes are into gentle femdom but never say publicly because its seen as weak and weird.
>throw her around and fuck her whenever i want to
If she doesnt want to then thats rape, so i mean.
Most of the stuff you gave is social shit that doesnt matter if you dont care. Periods are a fair point though.
All that is still not as bad though. Which is worse, sitting on a public toilet, or being homeless because no shelter will accept tou because you're a man.
Not being taken seriously at work, or losing your child and paying for them while you'll never get to see them.
Having to diet, or having to make sure you're never alone with children to avoid rape accusations
Being physically weaker, or being emotionally dead because society has told you from a young age that you cant cry.
>but think less of 60% of women for their personality"
Thinking less of someone doesn't mean you hate them. It means you rank them below you, that's it. And on the contrary, it's a mark of better character to be able to treat those you perceive as your inferiors well than it is to treat your equals or superiors well.
There's a big practical difference between the kind of woman who self-identifies (most of them) and who men think of when they hear "feminist" in 2019.
>Women can piss in bushes too
For some reason there's an additional social stigma to women pissing somewhere. It is clearly not comparable to a guy doing the same.
>If i told everyone i wanted to be a babysitter id get weird looks
You'd get weird looks, but you could do it nevertheless. The social pressure on chicks is much greater - especially when it comes to higher payed positions. There's not a lot of female CEOs because a good portion of people simply doesn't take chicks that seriously.
>Women can get just as strong as men
Well but they have to work out much more in order to get there. Testostherone helps.
>>taken seriously
>If you have a deep voice and/or a beard sure, otherwise you arent.
Fair point.
>No not really, no one forces you to have a kid.
My girlfriend better be ready to get a child at some point because if that's not the case that would be an absolute deal breaker for me. (And i believe i'm not alone with that opinion.)
>Women can do whatever they feel like.
Technically you're right, but social pressure hits them much harder then guys. That doesn't mean you can't ignore all of that anyways, but you always have to put in additional willpower.
>boys will be boys has been reversed
Not in my experience, but maybe it's true for you.
>True but STD's can be karma
With condoms obviuously.
>If youre a good looking man surex but 80% of us are a 6.5/10 or lower
I wouldn't say i'm particularly beautiful. In fact i have no idea how good i look, but i am a sportive and generally happy person. People like being arround me, so i guess i can't be that ugly.
>If she doesnt want to then thats rape, so i mean.
Well but she wants it. I thought about things i'd like to have in life and i make them happen one at a time. One of them is a girl that likes fucking and being dominated a bit.
>This is why societies who didn't use slaves didn't make it into civilizational stages
Get yourself a good trip outside of America
Feminism both fights against the stupid macho view men imposed on themselves and the capitalism inequality that forces men and women in dangerous shit jobs, unability to get homes and a decent living.
Every single thing discussed in the last replies is an argument to support feminism
>male homeless people
If i were the owner of one of those shelters and i had to decide if a woman or a man gets in i would always take in the woman because averagely speaking men are more robust. They can physically and psychologically withstand more shit before breaking down. It's not fair, but a practical approach.
>custody
I believe the bond to the mother is stronger so in case of doubt she should get custody. That you don't get to see them possibly requires a really really nasty divorce which is quite possibly also the guys fault, but i am not up to date with american law (and i really don't care either). Where i live that doesn't happen.
>make sure you're never alone with children to avoid rape accusations
It happens, but i don't see it happening as often that it is a valid point of discussion - on the other hand - i don't know about america.
>being emotionally dead because society has told you from a young age that you cant cry.
If you want to be emotional find a girl that accepts a weak side of yours and be emotional with her. Also close friends know when i'm down and they accept that i am sometimes emotional.
Also one more note about the severety of those points:
Your main points are very specific things which are bad in a given situation, but only concern few people.
My points are aspects of every day life. Every single day, every single male can get a bit of happiness out of them or have that bit of happiness denied because being a female.
Those points aren't less valid because they display trivial aspects, but in fact more valid because the average exposition with these points is just so much higher then of yours.
Yes, a homeless man is gonna have a worse time then a female hobo, but if for every hobo 10.000 females get their rights to sexual freedom reduced because of historic rules i would say the pain in the ass for females outweights the hobos.
I like being a man and unless you're a divorced hobo who's supposed to take care of children you should too.
Nice bait faggot. You really got us.
Yes, very much so. Also, fuck off, normalnigger.
Here you go. First in a series depending of how much of a faggot you continue to be. These will be passed around.
Literally every single civilization since the dawn of time has used slaves you uncultured swine lmao
The fact you pick USA as the prime example of a slave using society is quite telling of your knowledge on these matters
No seriously, travel a bit. That's a painfully embarassing opinion to have.
Proclaiming to be a feminist is just proclaiming to be an insufferable bitch, why would i associate myself with such a retard?