Suicide seems so logical. I hate living. Merely being conscious is hell. I have no problems that need solving. I don't feel sad about "no gf", nor do I feel like a loser. I just truly hate being a human. I hate the lights being on. I want nothingness. I crave it. We die in the end anyways, why subject myself the 40-60 more years of daily misery? They say it gets better, but how? I think it only gets better if your issues are tangible, solvable problems - not fundamental disagreements with the nature of being itself. This is how it will be for the rest of my life. Why continue it? To not upset my parents? Oh, you mean the creatures that selfishly brought me into existence. Yeah, I would prefer to not make them suffer with my death, but lord knows they've created a lot of suffering on my end.
So, why not? Why not commit suicide? It really seems like the best option.
Can someone present an argument against suicide?
>Can someone present an argument against suicide?
If you look for a painless way. There's a high chance you will fail and be locked in the mental hospital for months.
Imagine no internet for months.
we don't know for sure if existence just continues after death
there is no you but there's still experience
would rather kill myself kek
>we don't know for sure if existence just continues after death
Sure. We also don't know if literal paradise follows after this. We cannot know. However, likely it is nothingness.
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My argument: you are not dead. That's a fact.
>we don't know for sure if existence just continues after death
but we do
>Suicide seems so logical
it is logical, but life is not logical or rational. the sooner you stop taking all of this so seriously the sooner you ill start to feel better.
trust me man there is a rock bottom not just an endless pit, some days i still have to go back and visit that place in my mind but ive gotten better at dealing with it, not following those thoughts so much.
i only recommend psychedelics to those truly desperate but maybe you should try it out if you really feel like this. specifically mushrooms or ayahuasca, do your own research on it, do it the right way. For me at least, when taking psychs it amplifies whatever im feeling 100x to the point where my depression or anxiety seems so ludicrous that i can just laugh at it, its just another thought or emotion, why am i giving it so much power over my daily life. its like "the fool who persists in his folly will become wise" sort of thing except amplified with drugs. There are other ways to achieve this but not so quickly, specifically through meditation in its various forms (intense exercise, yoga, etc)
there is another way to live but you have to be willing to do something it wont change if you just brood on it. it wont be easy, you will suffer greatly, but being in this position is actually an opportunity, if you can overcome this depression you will be a mentally tough motherfucker, stupid shit will never bother you again, you will be a more well rounded, experienced individual than someone who has never had to deal with suicidal depression.
>This is how it will be for the rest of my life
you honestly think you have life all figured out? i dont believe you were always suicidally depressed, so isnt that proof enough?
idk man ive said what i can, i know in your position the words all seem meaningless bullshit, because they are, you have to act. you have to do something to make yourself feel better
your pets won't understand why you're gone forever
got literally no other argument though. life sucks. there's no hope.
Im feeling the same way. I first started thinking like this about a year ago, ive had a few times where things seemed to be going all right but something always comes up to kick me back down.
Get better reading comprehension
Your dog will never know why you left :(
Hello OP
yes life sucks
it's trash and there's just a few good people out there.
but life is a gift..
yesterday is history
tomorrow is a mystery
but today is a gift, and that's why its called the 'present'
even Hideaki Anno had the power to create a masterpiece
why wouldn't you?
so play some music, go out and do something good. every act of kindness is an act of love. show them, that even though your life is absolute garbage, you can still do something to help them. isn't it heartmelting to see joy in a little childs eyes? or to listen to the stories all the old people have to tell? or even see a homeless person fix their life?
please user.. there is no need to commit suicide.
and remember.. i love you, even if i dont know who you are
At least take the time to blow some of your money on pleasure before you go.
you should get into buddhism
>life is a gift..
Life was a mistake
There isn't, other than that you don't have the balls to go through with it. Good luck.
>Can someone present an argument against suicide?
l know l sure cant
I think that one of the better arguments against suicide is just failing it. Like others have said already it can fuck your body up and you might get sent to a ward. But outside of fear, think about how unique being alive is. Regardless of if there is an afterlife, there is no experience like being alive, even if it is shitty. I guarantee that after we die whatever is there wont be anything like what your current life feels like. Also have you honestly given yourself a shot at feeling good? Regardless of if you are depressed or not, denying yourself basic selfcare isnt really giving yourself a chance to potentially feel alright. Work out,eat right, hydrate well, find a consistent sleep schedule. I do agree however some people probably will only have suffering to look forward to with tiny glimpses of happiness here and there. However, I think that most people arent like that. Best of luck with whichever choice you decide though.
No one can explain how exactly life gets better because it is exclusive to you specifically. What made life better for one person could make life fucking miserable for another or do apsolutely jack shit for a different person.
I think the general theme between people thinking of suicide that I have been around or to a certain degree myself is a sense of uselessness and lack of purpose.
What ive seen sucess in is to blatantly stop being comfortable. If you are not doing something each and everyday that is severely mentaly and/or physically taxing you are failing at your duty to yourself. Of course the human body survives in a state of comfort, the same action each and everyday, a job, being a neet and sitting at home even doing something phsically taxing. But the body is capable of growth and designed to become better.
user, do something deeply uncomfortable, torturous even. Now that may be anything from going to the gym and working out till you cant move propperly, going out into public to talk to people and interact or even to sit down without distraction and read something challenging. Make something up and do it.
In short stop being such a little bitch and do something.
this. you need discipline and a purpose. purpose could be anything, maybe simply just not being depressed everyday. you have to be willing to change everything in order help yourself, this is where discipline comes in. When I say everything i mean it, exercise, diet, clothes, the place you live, your friends or lack there of, your relationship with your family, your job, your hygiene, the music you listen to, what you do in your free time, even stupid shit like posture and breathing. If your not willing to change absolutely anything and everything then either its not that bad or your being a pussy and have no right to complain
The nagging doubt that convinced me not to do it was ironically the same thought you're having; death is inevitable anyway. But I also realized that once it happens it'll be like nothing ever happened at all. The vast eternity of nothingness will swallow 105 years of life as easily as 25. So the precise moment of death doesn't really make a big difference when you contrast the extra bit of suffering that comes from being alive for a little longer against the amount of time you'll spend dead. Then you also have to consider that if you decide to keep living you can always commit suicide later, but you can't do that the other way around, suicide is permanent.
Therefore, it seemed worthwhile to me to stay alive and keep suffering just to see where it went, as oblivion is guaranteed anyway and even a slim chance of life getting better is worth investigating when you consider that you can only step out of life, not back in. Hell, I figured that even if I were to suffer every single moment from then until my deathbed, it wouldn't have been that significant of a detour from killing myself right there all things considered. So I put it off.
Things have gotten better for me, and they certainly could for you too. But I didn't necessarily need hope to get through that time, I just needed to recognize that if I didn't value my life anymore there was no more reason to choose suicide than to choose life, as death isn't a better place, it's just no place. I think if you search your mind you'll find that you too have lingering doubts about where your life is headed, and why. That's what you're here asking today, if there's anything good you'd miss out on if you decide to punch out today or tomorrow or next week. You don't think there'll be fulfilling answers to your questions, and you're probably right, but there's still a doubt, and you can't know unless you stick around.
So just procrastinate on it, like I did. You have your whole life to get back to it.
Nope, I guess I don't. If you absolutely can't manage or improve your life, there isn't any logical reason to be forced to continue living the struggle.
please start reading Cioran, if u don't want to commit suicide anymore u understood him, the thing is if u interpret Cioran in a wrong way you'll want to kill yourself even more.
Here's some quotes from him:
"Only optimists commit suicide, optimists who no longer succeed at being optimists. The others having no reason to live why would they have any to die?"
"I live only because it is in my power to die when I choose to: without the idea of suicide, I'd have killed myself right away."
"It is not worth the bother to kill yourself because you always kill yourself too late."
You are clearly being tortured by existence itself. So write a book... write in it why are you feeling this way, describe to a cosmic level the things you despise, try and describe your condition to it's pure essence, but really really try , Cioran says "Everything that is formulated becomes more tolerable". But after you do actually try for some time and you reach the same conclusion, than as horrible as I may seem, do it.
Spot on, brother.
Suicide can't be logical since life is a precondition to the ability to think logically.
I hope you don't unironically think this is a good point.
Unfortunately this could be accurate. I don't see how I last another 40+ years though.
>So write a book... write in it why are you feeling this way, describe to a cosmic level the things you despise, try and describe your condition to it's pure essence, but really really try , Cioran says "Everything that is formulated becomes more tolerable".
I'll give this a whirl
just one: you will lose the greatest civil wars that will ever happen in American and European soil