Hikikomori General Thread

This thread is for English speaking hikikomori shut ins people who completely or near-completely cut themselves off from society and do not leave their bedrooms or one room apartments for long periods at a time.

How are you guys feeling today?

>Hikikomori

>Hikikomori is a Japanese term when translated into English it means pulling inward being confined (Acute social withdrawal) hikikomori is a distinct psychological disorder that refers to the phenomenon of reclusive adolescents and young adults who have withdrawn from society seeking extreme degrees of isolation and confinement due to various personal and social issues in their lives. (A shut-in who stays at home in their parents house and lives in isolation in their bedroom for 6 months or more)

>Contrary to popular belief most hikikomori go outdoors but are just isolated socially and still spend most of the day and nearly every single day confined at home in their rooms

>The Japanese Ministry of Health, Labour, and Welfare defines hikikomori as a condition in which the affected individuals refuse to leave their parents house, and isolate themselves away from society and their family in a single room for a period exceeding six months

>The Hikikomori Criteria and Diagnosis

>1. Subject spends most of the day confined at home, nearly every single day.

>2. Subject purposefully avoids social situations and social relationships

>3. Subject shows clear significant functional impairment,

>4. Subject shows social withdrawal symptoms for .a duration of 6 months or more

>5. Subject has no physical condition nor other psychological problem that is the cause of the social withdrawal

>While hikikomori is mostly a Japanese phenomenon cases of the condition have been found in other countries

People who go to work school or have a social life are not hikikomori.

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>How are you guys feeling today?
Awful, like every day of my shitty life.

>Awful, like every day of my shitty life.

Me too.

I feel GOOD. REALLY GOOD. Like really, really better than bad. Holy shit I just remembered the store down the street has whole boxes of knock-off oreos for like $3.50 and I wanna eat those motherfuckers up...

Shit... I'd need to change out of my pajamas. No wait... nvm now I feel bad :(

thats relatable i know how you feel user i do the same thing sometimes.

I'm mostly a hiki literally because I don't enjoy anything outside of my room. if I got for a walk etc it's always because I think a walk will make me feel better when I get home. I don't actually enjoy the walk

>I'm mostly a hiki literally because I don't enjoy anything outside of my room. if I got for a walk etc it's always because I think a walk will make me feel better when I get home. I don't actually enjoy the walk

That sounds more like depression.

Being a shut in during summer is just the worst.

But why is the ramen gone?

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>during summer

Being shut in for 3 months of summer vacation away from school does not make you hikikomori even a neet for that matter.

>Call your parents/
Why don't I just eat dirt?

I think what user meant is that the pains of being a shut-in are at their worst during the summer season, not that being a shut-in exclusively during the summer is the worst form of shut-in.

I think it's more natural to get really lonely in autumn, at least in my experience. That's when I always hit up the dating sites and do other ghastly retarded shit.

A lot of people seem to get lonely at the beginning of the year in early spring, especially around valentines obviously... or at least this is when the younger teen women mostly create accounts with profiles saying stupid shit like "looking for friends of the summer"... yeah right tell the truth you just need your sockets worked over and torqued up.

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>Hikikomori
>Leaving the house for dates

Yeah no fuck off.

Who ever said I leave the house? Booty call.

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>Who ever said I leave the house? Booty call.

Fuck off you dumb cunt you're not a hikikomori.

>dates
Never gone on a "date" in my life... I guess you could say, actually I must have gone on a few. Never asked anyone out though with that intention.

Although there have been a couple instances where I traveled. I mean I flew to the opposite side of the earth (narita) when I was 19 to rent an apartment for three months and hang out there without leaving... but only because my internet girlfriend had her university nearby.

Anyway it's normal to get a sort of social anhedonia or anxiety after spending months indoors. Some people get what they call "cabin fever", but some of us, like myself, could sit in the same room for 15 years and never really be motivated to leave for its own sake.

There are always other reasons to leave, like you know, remaining alive... but if I try to think of any time I've ever left without having a really good reason (and resisting it up to the last moment when I absolutely HAD TO leave)... I bet there must be some occurrence but I can't think of any.

Big revelation. None of the larping weeb autists itt are hikikomori.

>you're not a hikikomori.
Depends how you subjectively and arbitrarily decide to define it for yourself. If it means someone who never leaves home without being forced to, yes I am.

However I'm not an incel loser loner lamer luddite lazy lout, no.

Been a NEET for 5 years now. But I go out to buy food so I'm not exactly hiki, but close I guess

>Contrary to popular belief most hikikomori go outdoors
thats cheating. Why would you ever even want to go outside unless you really have to.

The minute i step outside the reality hits me hard and I get all depressed realizing this world is pure hell. The reason why I became hikikomori was to escape from it not go back into it.

>larping weeb autists itt are hikikomori.

Hikikomori is mostly a Japanese disorder but it is not happening in only Japan anymore refer to this post And these links.

psychology.wikia.org/wiki/Hikikomori

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori

steemit.com/edu-venezuela/@cindycam/whatishikikomorisyndromeandhowcanwehelpthosewhosufferfromit-1u29kl2hfj

>If it means someone who never leaves home without being forced to, yes I am.

No it doesn't read the OP hikikomori is a mental health disorder you are just a recluse.

>this world is pure hell
I'm not sure where you live... but when I go outdoors I feel more lonely than when I'm alone indoors. That's because I'm reminded of the absolute vastness of the world... like being caught in a rowboat in the middle of an impossibly clam ocean without even a single swell in sight.

There are people... maybe around 1 per square kilometer density here at best... but so few that honestly without knowing the local places where people gather (I have no idea!) it would be impossible to actually find anyone, even a single person. No chance to have a conversation, no interaction of any sort.

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>hikikomori is a mental health disorder you are just a recluse.
Actually no it isn't, why don't you read this:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori

Can you define "recluse" ? Are you aware how a "disorder" is defined? It's defined as something which influences an individual leading to functional impairment (inability to keep a job, maintain relationships, health, etc.)

Now you're retarded, so that's not really your fault... but you know.

You guys are only shutins due to socieital and family forces in your lifes.

youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

You guys are literally the 'beautiful ones' Mice who remove themselves from society and just eat, sleep and keep their fur clean.

If you want to stop being degenerate NEETS legit just ruin your relation ship with your parents and get kicked out. Or just ask them for help, also go see a Spook.

Damm incels

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This is actually wrong the 6 months duration in the definition doesn't mean literally staying indoors 24/7 and never leaving at all no it means that the isolation has to be going on for 6 months in order for a person to be diagnosed as hikikomori in Japan most hikikomori still go outside they are just isolated socially.

>Can you define "recluse" ? Are you aware how a "disorder" is defined? It's defined as something which influences an individual leading to functional impairment (inability to keep a job, maintain relationships, health, etc.)

NO shit you black nigger normalfag scum i already knew this thank you very much thang me shit i already knew fucking idiot my entire point was hikikomori is a mental health problem and that description of disorder that you gave fits with hikikomori very well you obviously didn't read the OP go back and read it again hikikomori is a mental health problem caused by social factors.

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>You guys are only shutins due to socieital and family forces in your lifes.

Thats literally what a fucking hikikomori is why do i get the feeling that normalfags like you think hikikomori and peter-pans are the same? because they are not.

Also Wikipedia is not a completely creditable source you stupid fuck and did you even read the psychological disorders section?

Are you feeling okay? You sound especially tarded. Like more than usual.

The thing is "hikikomori" is not a disorder, and not recognized by any psychiatric standards body anywhere in the world.

It's a term used in Japan to refer to a group of people with specific symptoms. One hypothesis about the cause of these symptoms is that this group of people have a set of common psychiatric disorders in combination with other factors which lead to the common "hikikomori" symptom expression in the group.

So it's an example of selection bias. Rather than "hikikomori" being a disorder, it's a group of individuals with disorders which have been selected according to traits/symptoms common to several different disorders.

This is similar to the misdiagnosis of what they call "ADHD", which may have some sub-set of symptoms that describe some verifiable unique disorders with neurological causes... but the generalizations in diagnosis render the disorder a sort of catch-all that includes a large number of actual disorders lumped together.

It's extremely important to acknowledge this fact to prevent from making the mistake that there is some well defined way to identify a member who is either part or not part of such a group. The generalizations used in the definitions are far too wide and all-encompassing to ever clearly delineate the boundary between any particular individual.

>Are you feeling okay? You sound especially tarded. Like more than usual.

Also a citation is needed you dumb fuck what section of the Wikipedia article am i supposed to read? if its the section called Hypotheses on cause clearly your eyesight is shit because at the bottom it talks about other disorders that could cause/contribute to causing hikikomori but whatever i am not gonna argue with a stupid troll so fuck off.

well its the opposite for me, there are people everywhere and you never know when one might snap and try to harm you. While you're alone you can imagine how things are all you want, and not worry about anyone interrupting your day dream.
But when you actually engage with people and participate in their societies, you begin to see how corrupt and wrong everything is, it feels lik esomething bad will happen at any minute causing me to alert at all times and it causes a lot of fear and depression for me. A place with low population density is probably a place where I'd like to live, but reality (i.e. money and politics) again prevents me from going to such places.

>The thing is "hikikomori" is not a disorder, and not recognized by any psychiatric standards body anywhere in the world.

My entire point was that hikikomori while not officially recognized as a disorder from my research in Japan they view it a social problem but if you go to a doctor and say hey doc i am a hikikomori you will still get treatment and they treat it like a mental health disorder that was my entire point.

>Damm incels

user that word has no meaning anymore plus i am not a virgin nor do i wanna kill women or do i hate them now get out summerfag.

Well, maybe... but you wouldn't know until you were here. I find it absolutely awful. It's worse than isolating yourself from "society" in a big city where you always have resources due to economies of scale. Places like where I live are so empty it becomes incredibly difficult to survive and supporting yourself in isolation is just impossible.

Ever heard of the mad trapper?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Johnson_(criminal)

The guy was a hermit who went insane (hypothesis) due to deficiencies caused by a lack of essential nutrients in his diet of small game.

Well, if you go to a doctor here and say "my stomach hurts" you'll also get treatment. They call that a stomach ache. :)

Maybe it's fatal bowl cancer.

Maybe it's gas.

>Subject has no physical condition nor other psychological problem that is the cause of the social withdrawal

But what if I'm a disabled shut in NEET with social anxiety and mostly blind?

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That is a shit compassion you're comparing people who isolate themselves in their bedrooms because of personal problems as well as mental health issues to people who are having psychical body pain? how stupid are you? they are not the same at all also for god sake dont use smile emojis on Jow Forums normalfag.

>But what if I'm a disabled shut in NEET with social anxiety and mostly blind?

You are just a shut in NEET not a hikikomori hikikomori are not inside due to psychical issues or non social problems.

Refer to these links.

psychology.wikia.org/wiki/Hikikomori

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori

steemit.com/edu-venezuela/@cindycam/whatishikikomorisyndromeandhowcanwehelpthosewhosufferfromit-1u29kl2hfj

growingleaders.com/blog/do-you-see-symptoms-of-hikikomori-in-your-students/

>they are not the same
They are actually. In people with social anxiety, social anhedonia, major depressive disorder and numerous other conditions the level of stress hormones are elevated well above the point you'd expect for a major surgery (amputation of a limb, etc).

The physiological pain is equal to physical pain. This is now well studied and while doctors may not be up-to-date with modern research... since about 2010 it has become difficult to argue "that is not the same."

In what way is it different?

That question ends the discussion. They're the same.

>they are not the same
They are actually. In people with social anxiety, social anhedonia, major depressive disorder and numerous other conditions the level of stress hormones are elevated well above the point you'd expect for a major surgery (amputation of a limb, etc).

The psychological pain is equal to physical pain. This is now well studied and while doctors may not be up-to-date with modern research... since about 2010 it has become difficult to argue "that is not the same."

In what way is it different?

That question ends the discussion. They're the same.

PS why doesn't someone fix Jow Forums's retarded tiny reply dialog dimensions?

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Also yeah i am gonna believe real researchers and doctors who have been researching hikikomori for 10 to over 15 to some even 20 years now instead of an anonymous person on Jow Forums.

I've slowly been going insane by not leaving my apartment for months on end except to the store and shit. I've come to the realization that nobody can be happy in this state, even if you don't give a shit about humans you have to learn to communicate with them or you'll be miserable your entire life.

My advice to you robots is go make money, doesn't matter how but just do it and when you have it all those casuals will come crawling back to you, begging for companionship.

>rei having black eyes
who the fuck did this

>i am gonna believe
Believe what? If people want to make a claim they need to provide evidence to support it. The claim that "hikikomori is a mental disorder" is simply false. It is not a distinct disorder and if you have evidence to support your argument, you're welcome to present it.

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That's just a hollow shell of a body without a soul. It isn't Reilly her.

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>That question ends the discussion. They're the same.

Okay uggh instead of talking out of your ass how about you link some stuff like i have done and like i said below i believe real researchers and doctors who have been researching hikikomori for 10 to over 15 to some even 20 years now instead of an anonymous person on Jow Forums .also hikikomori and Peter-Pans are different because a hikikomori is someone who cannot leave home because of mental health issues or personal problems andthey want to be apart of society but are unable to do so due to their trauma and a peter-pan neet is someone who has never had a job ever and refuses to even try to be apart of society when they dont even know what its like and they can function in society they just choose not to and like being treated like a baby by their parents and have no reason to go out which is why they dont leave the house and they refuse to work because they are an edgy autisit and muh wageslave jew meme reeeeeeeeee they sit at home blaming the jews and wagecucking for all the worlds problems and refuse to grow up basically what i am getting at is this hikikomori are failed normalfags while peter-pans are almost this entire fucking board.

Here you go you lazy fuck.

youtube.com/watch?v=70bv5gaN4LI

Nowhere in that video is the statement made that "hikikomori is a distinct mental illness", or "disorder".

The name is a catch-all used to describe the symptoms by analogy. It simply means "haunting" (similar to possession of an object, embodiment of kami within a tree) and "wood" (home.)

So it means a person who has possessed a home as if they were an eternal spiritual essence.

Been NEET for 5 years. I'm killing myself soon. Anyone else thinking about doing it? I'll get phenobarbital so if any robots want a peaceful one this is your chance.

do hikikomoris or peter pan's never use fucking full stop periods to make their text readable? trying to figure out which one you are

>Nowhere in that video is the statement made that "hikikomori is a distinct mental illness", or "disorder".

I highly doubt you watched a almost 40 minute 40 in only a few minutes you probably didn't watch it or just skimmed through it this is why i fucking hate chans boards everybody is an idiot and i get taken out of context so much that people think im stupid when you dumb fucks are just missing my points if anything you guys are slow.

>Caring about grammar on Jow Forums

Get out normalfag.

I've been NEET since I was 11 when I stopped attending grade-school. I partially attended school for a couple years 13, 15 with an eight month gap between them. I've also worked a bit when I was 25 for six months, and another six months when 26.

Since then I've been self-employed and worked mostly back in 2013, 2014. Since then I haven't done much of note other than personal hobby projects and improving my skills.

My advice is (having being a NEET for nearly 23 years, non-continuous), that the only real reason you'd kill yourself is if you had no other way to escape unbearable pain.

There are many ways to manage ones time that make the life of a hermit not just bearable, but rather pleasant.

If that doesn't convince you, that's a shame. The one truth in life is that all good things must one day come to an end.

If you're working or going to school you're not a fucking NEET dumbass.

What kind of self employment do you do?

>phenobarbital
how? is it still available? my goal in life is to go on a trip to my favourite place for one last time then drinking a bottle when I run out of money. but its so hard to get.

Software development. It pays below the poverty line, but nearly enough to feed myself + pay living expenses... but only because I have the support and means to reduce my expenses to a point far below what any working person could achieve.

It's great because I can work as much or as little as I like, my schedule is entirely my own, I manage myself fully (I own all rights, it's 100% my own business, nobody else can force me to do anything) and there is in theory no limit to the amount I could make if I were so motivated.

The negatives are that without motivation you can find within yourself, you'll be totally helpless and spend multiple years with short periods of waking where you realize "wow, it has been another 4 years and I have done nothing."

I found that for the short time I was employed I was probably 1000x times more productive than I am now. I however did not receive 1000x times more compensation, which brings to question "why bother?"

When I was working I felt as if my life was being wasted... while now I feel as if I'm living my life in a worthwhile way. Without using too many words I'd have to say, while working I felt my life was living ME where I was just a puppet, and now that I'm in control I feel as if I am really living MY LIFE.

When I look at what I would need to do to increase my income... to study, take courses, find full-time employment... form relationships... there is just absolutely no motivation whatsoever. The only reason I'm bothered by this is that I'm very risk-adverse, so increasing my savings and income would allow me to feel slightly more secure... but the only way to do so seems to require increasing my risk more than any potential benefit.

There is just no profit.

I can't deal with the shame and poverty anymore user.

You sound exactly like me. I have absolutely no motivation to increase profit because all my needs are fulfilled and I am able to afford small luxuries.

I refuse to sacrifice the majority of my time for a few extra conveniences.

how do you even find clients? ive been programming my entire neet life , and ive come to the conclusion you have to be a really non-neet social person to interact with normies online to convince them to give you money for your work. I still haven't figured out how due to my god awful communication skills and not being able to relate to the outside world which leads me to mostly getting ignored .

Theres other ways i know you could make money but it requires massive amounts of grinding but still make much less than someone from a third world country would so moral is always low. In these types of jobs no matter how hard i try to force myself to grind to make a measly few dollars I always end up burning out and quitting.

not to mention its all extremely depressing because you see normies doing minimal effort but getting paid enough to own their own house and have a gf etc.

The thing is you can remain comfy being a neet or hikkikomori, but then eventually something like an illness or a disaster comes up then you've got to actually work to maintain the measly neet life you settled with. So we are always deteriorating no matter what gains we make whcih leads to suicide being the only way out of slow painful death.

You need to build actual products. Get involved in some niche where you can be miles above any competition by simply knowing how to do the job. You'll have no problem finding "idea people" who come up with batshit crazy suggestions like "I'll pay you 20% of profit to program this!"

In reality that's totally insane if you're doing 99% of the real work... since the product simply wouldn't exist at all without you.

When you have actual products you can either:
1) market them yourself using "resellers"
2) find a reseller willing to market them for you, for a generally large (>20%) profit share and additional rights (promotional rights, bundling, etc)

If you can get lucky and pick up on an emerging market... like the "app" craze in 2008 or PC games in the mid 90s; you might be able to do 100% of the work yourself to build a product that has simply NO EXISTING COMPETITION. That'll allow you to build your skills "from the root" and become well established as the market grows.

Once the market is established there will be serious barriers to entry (10+ years experience, established code bases from simple projects with evolving project complexities...) and new competitors won't be able to set in roots in the now concrete ground.

If you can't find such an emerging market though... well, better pull out that concrete drill.

>something like illness or disaster

This applies to everyone. A rich person struck with disaster and illness could end up in a worse position than a NEET with disaster and illness. There are just so many variables. None of us are getting out alive.

That's true, although it's like that no matter what really. There is no real profit to be made in this life. That's one of the major western myths: hard work = success; "The American Dream."

It's 100% bullshit. It's no different than playing at a casino. You work hard as fuck just for the chance to buy some chips, just so you can lose them all with a bad hand of cards.

OMG the thought is just veraciously burning up my pelvic vector!

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veraciously = a cunning linguist's joke about overuse of "literally", BTW

So generate that heat try out one of these all new high-friction wanking mittens

NO LUBE!

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. Subject has no physical condition nor other psychological problem that is the cause of the social withdrawal
explain this one
because I doubt there is a single person on earth who is hikikomori and doesn't have one or several reasons why they are

>explain this one
>because I doubt there is a single person on earth who is hikikomori and doesn't have one or several reasons why they are

Refer to these post.

Pretty good I guess. Managed to snag some weed today, got accepted to college yesterday, and I'm just about to immerse myself into the Destiny video games for the rest of the summer.

>Pretty good I guess. Managed to snag some weed today, got accepted to college yesterday, and I'm just about to immerse myself into the Destiny video games for the rest of the summer.

Good luck user hopefully you will escape NEETDOM.

Since we have near zero understanding of most mental illnesses it wouldn't be surprising to find that the vast majority of people suffering from something like major depressive disorder are unaware and have never been diagnosed to received any sort of education.

A majority of diagnoses are based upon subjective interpretation and have not had stress hormone tests or other types of diagnostic tests which would provide hard evidence.

This subjectivity opens up the possibility that a significant portion of those suffering from debilitating conditions are told "there is nothing wrong with you, go home."

At the point where you're in the mid 20s and haven't left your bedroom for months and months at a time with only brief trips outdoors to visit the supermarket or such on rare occasions, people are going to start asking questions. There is definitive evidence presented and questions are asked about the symptoms "why has he not left his bedroom for two weeks?"

In such a subjective system plagued by corruption you end up with weird "conditions" being invented such as "hikikomori" or "chronic fatigue syndrome".

There are also cases where the patient or their families might not adequately communicate conditions they've been informed about. This is referred to as anosognosia.

So according to you hikikomori and "chronic fatigue syndrome" are not real conditions? yeah okay whatever dumbass.

Was having a pretty average day, went downstairs to make a coffee and while waiting for the water to boil I was suddenly hit with the realization that I was alone, wasting my life and severely depressed. It was like I was a hollow shell of a person, ready to collapse at the slightest touch. Kind of panicked and couldn't decide what to do about it, felt like walking out the door and never coming back or doing something even more drastic.

Then the kettle clicked off and I snapped out of it enough to finish making the coffee. Went and had a few smokes while reflecting on the past decade of being a neet. Decided fuck it, I'm not going to change any time soon. Might as well pretend to enjoy it. So I rewatched The Fifth Element and forgot about those feelings for a few hours. Not a bad day in the end really.

Where did I say that?

I made no such statements. What I said was that generic all-encompassing conditions with no clear diagnostic criteria are invented to deal with categorizing patients that don't fit into other existing (or understood) potential diagnoses.

The consequence then is that because of the generic nature of the "condition", it has symptoms that can allow nearly anyone to be diagnosed with such a condition, they have little predictive capability and there are almost always no effective treatments.

Did you get your life multipass? It lets you get your coffee, feel your life is worth something and watch fifth element as many times as you like.

Thanks. The weird thing is, part of me is going to miss it.

>Turn 22
>Try to think back for the first time about how long I've been a shut-it
>Realize it's been like SEVEN YEARS

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Here's an example of a proper, objective diagnosis:
Diabetes mellitus.

There are several symptoms and we don't understand the cause clearly enough to come up with a cure... but we know of ten or more variations of the condition which are all linked by one objective fact: high blood glucose levels sustained over time.

All you need to do to determine if someone can be diagnosed with diabetes mellitus is to measure blood glucose on several occasions. Further diagnosis is used to determine the applicable treatment, and often insulin (hormone) injection is used to reduce blood glucose levels. After the hormone is provided blood glucose is measured several more times to show that glucose levels return to stable "normal" ranges.

In addition after the treatment has been applied and the glucose level has stabilized, the other symptoms resulting from high glucose concentrations also reduce and eventually disappear.

So we have:
1) clear symptomology
2) objective measurements providing hard evidence of symptoms
3) understanding of casual factors (headache caused by high glucose, caused by issue with insulin hormone system)
4) treatment (injection of hormones or other corrective measures)

1, 2, 3 and 4 lead to:
5) back to #2, objective measurements showing the symptomology has been cured

Without all of that we don't have an illness or condition... we simply have "well, we have no fucking clue what's wrong with you and there is nothing we can do about it. good luck buddy!"

was satou really a hikikomori? he seemed to spend time interacting with misaki, yamazaki, and Hitomi

Hopefully it's coming down the mail tube any day now.

>was satou really a hikikomori? he seemed to spend time interacting with misaki, yamazaki, and Hitomi

He was a recovering hikikomori after 4 years.