Is trump good or bad

to be honest the 2016 election was nothing but disappointment across the board. The democrats were basically split between Boomers voting Hillary and continuing America as is from Obamas term or Zoomers going full Bernie and dropping impossible ideas like free college on the table. Meanwhile the Republican party was sweating hard as they started taking a nose dive into irrelevancy with the youth, most oldfags got bullied into voting Trump by pure peer pressure. Like every American election ever the least decisive party won and Trump took office. It never really matters if the candidate was good or not, all that mattered wass how much of America was unified and currently its a shitshow. The only reason Regan and Bill Clinton worked is because a good chunk of the country was down for it. America will burn in a fire of its own indecisiveness, Socrates was right.

please explain exactly what's wrong with the climate accord and exactly why hillary clinton should be in jail (after the FBI already concluded it was non-criminal negligence). not that I like hillary in the slightest but poltards really seem to think she's satan

This is the nuanced thinking we need.

You stupid yanks are hilarious

>trump is the logical conclusion of the farce that is american democracy
He's just a buffoon, and you're ignorant of numerous other past buffoons for presidents.
He's neither the first nor the last. Certainly not the end, and not the beginning of anything of any significance.

Yeah I also wanna hear your thoughts on the Paris climate agreement. From what I understand, the agreement wasn't mandatory - I mean how the fuck could a city in Europe make demands on our entire country. Is that what you think happened, and is that why you're so happy that we backed out of it? Please explain

Regarding policies, some of them are smart. The most impactful is probably tarrifs + tax changes.

These are both in part extremely stupid, but also "the only way to get the job done". The behaviors are what you'd expect a prey animal to behave like when forced into a corner.

"We need to X, but we can't do X in any beneficial way, but self-inflicted harm be damned we'll do it anyway!"

Like having trouble with spontaneous erections, so you slice your dick off with a machete.

Entirely rational when considered in an entirely isolated and completely naive way... but giving the appearance of entirely insane in any broader context.

The facts are the United States needs to increase local manufacturing capability and build local resources. It's also essential to enforce taxation and eliminate tax avoidance. In game theory it's well understood that in certain situations in order to win the game you must do what is overall harmful to everyone, including yourself.

See here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma

There are also many more specific examples where voting, paying taxes and other forms of contribution to society based analogies are used.

It's entirely possible the United States will become the most poverty stricken nation on earth with the lowest productivity due to these choices... but the elements of chaotic systems like these make it very difficult to predict the outcomes ahead of time.

Here's the 200 IQ answer.

He's retarded but that's good. Because if you get someone "smart" or "woke" when it comes to politicians they'll crash the economy to the ground or do some other dumb shit to assert themselves. Trump is so retarded every action is random and there's like a 50% chance he does something right. So it's pretty based

>Please explain
It's an emotional issue. A coward fears nothing more than giving up their own power in any form... even so simple as admitting once that you were wrong even in part.

A coward slips further when they refuse to give up ground to achieve an overall benefit... such as sliding a bit further off the cliff to bring yourself within reach of the root you can use to climb back up. It's a risk that a coward is unwilling to take regardless of the odds.

You can't lose a gamble if you never play.

See here.
Ellipsis.

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Trump is a meme president. Originally Jow Forums got behind him for the meme, because it'd be hilarious if he got elected. Then reddit refugees showed up and started unironically supporting him.

The consequence of rejecting the Paris accord or denial of evidence isn't to achieve anything meaningful directly... but indirectly you gain emotional traction with cowards who then elect you as POTUS.

That's a significant benefit albeit indirect... if you ignore the consequences / externalities at play in the bigger picture.

That's the root of the Prisoner's Dilemma, selfish behaviors which are personally beneficial may not produce an optimal result (greater total benefit shared with others, albeit not greater personal benefit.)

When you consider a system in isolation such as a country like the United States, if you seek to profit solely within the confines of that system it means some other element of the system must suffer in order to transfer wealth to you. Somebody is paying for it eventually, and if you apply tariffs on steel imports the steel manufacturers are paying higher prices for steel in return for higher demand (only once the price is equal!) from local producers.

The net result is a net negative rather than a positive.

See here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadweight_loss

The solution to shift demand without deadweight loss is to subsidize production in some way to lower the cost of locally produced steel.

This makes local steel less expensive, reduces demand for imported steel and lowers costs for local manufacturers! Net benefit all around... except for the people who are paying the tax (or other cost) to provide the subsidy.

In many cases the overall benefit outweighs the cost on an individual basis in a majority of cases... only very large scale contributors (largest sources of taxes paid by single individuals or corporations) would find a net cost... but only if you ignore other benefits resulting from the increased productivity.

A smart Trump would have implemented some form of steel subsidy while making changes to the regulations associated with steel production... increasing energy supplies (for smelting), supplies of high quality coking coal (very few to no sources in the United States) at reduced costs and so forth.

U.S. farmers that couldn't sell all their surplus of basedbeans and milk were huge losers. The tariffs were supposed to make U.S. producers more resilient but the U.S. produces so much agriculture that it just goes to waste if the buyer is not there.

Some of the purpose of agricultural subsidies is to ensure there is always extra available in case of drought or famine, for example.

I agree though... the issue is I believe the combination of factors fighting against each other. If you apply subsidies they work in the ideal situation to ensure supply and reduce cost... but not if the farmers are allowed to form a cartel like OPEC. In which case they pocket the extra money from the subsidy while reducing supply until supply vs. demand increases the price to where they make the most possible profit.

Greed and selfish behavior are the root of the problem... and it's not just a very difficult but potentially impossible problem to address completely.

Capitalism is the best possible system to optimize efficiency... but you constantly need someone with a moon sided club to smash in the head of anyone who acts selfishly (monopoly, cartels, etc.)

The issue in agriculture in that case is limited competition due to little control on conglomeration of agriculturally-associated corporations, land and resources.

So there needs to be some limit on the number of farms one company can own, and it needs to be illegal for John Deere to own all the farms which produce corn and onions which is used to make "John Deere approved" bio-oils which are the only oils you can use without voiding your warranty... which is required to get your tractor serviced because repairing it yourself is illegal since you need to reset the fucking computer inside it... which conflicts with patents and copyrights associated with the software + DMCA + etc..

This shit is already taking place. I'm not just telling stories here... this is already reality, not a fantasy.

Good/Bad is a subjective matter

but the answer is good

but he literally can't do any of these things because he doesn't hold enough power
the fact that the supreme court and the congress was absolutely filled with libtards 2+years into his presidency made it impossible for him to do his job, unless you think it would've been wise for him to start a fucking civil war

This is the perspective of an 18 year old who has no understanding of the world
Or a shitpost

Good/bad isn't just subjective, it's an idiotic and naive over-simplification of a complicated reality.

It's like packing your whole body into briefcase... sure you can do it, if you blend yourself into a fine paste and pressurize the contents... but your boss isn't going to be impressed during your project presentation when your coworker pops open your suitcase so you can give your presentation and you splatter up everyone's nostrils, in their mouths and all over their suits.

he s retarded and everything he does makes it easier for the rest of the world to trade with china, so yeah he s cool.

>moon sided club
Moon sized... sometimes I let my imagination get carried away... I could photoshop that shit up but I'm lazy. Imagine a huge cannon in space firing the moon like a cannon ball at some monopoly guy's fat mug.

youtu.be/L2_nJeH1ezk

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ever wonder why libtards managed to take over congress? If he was doing a good job, the republicans would mobilize

Or maybe this one, although I should've used a bigger moon, it looks a bit too small.

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the executive is very powerful already

Breaking up modern companies is probably more like vascular surgery.

There are these things called RINOS
Plus Trump sucks Israeli dick

>more like vascular surgery.
youtu.be/CjWVWLTAHaU

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>RINOS
That's that "cut off your own dick" thing I mentioned.

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You are a literal protozoan organism if you think any of your cons are ever going to happen

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As someone with outside view. It is not the worst president you had, It is not even the worst in the last 20 years. Get over it. He is like the dude at you job you hate because he is douche bag, but he still do decent job. The sad part is you realize it when he is gone and replaced by some braindead retard that complain about everything and is shit at his job so you and you colleges have to work extra had because of his incompetence.

The funny man on the TV told me that orange man bad.
Seriously Trump is just a necessary evil, that's all.

used to hate him but seeing all the celebrities and media heads seething over him has made me warm up to him.

hes been a useful barometer

Trump single handedly revitalized the republican party. Before he came around the GOP thought anti-immigration and America first policies were a losing issue, when in fact those are the only things that can keep the party relevant into the future.

Every mid-term election the party in the white house loses seats in congress. The truth is the republicans did much better this mid-term than history would predict.

>rubio
Cucked out on gun control and a scripted retard. His political experience is gratification. He's a little Neville Chamberlain.

I don't really care for him but I don't like any alternatives either.

Based. What country?

>ever wonder why libtards managed to take over congress?
Rmeember 2010 and the tea party? There is always backlash.

Based and anarchistpilled

I see the mistrust behind the prisoners dilemma as the biggest reason why a 3rd party will never do well in Merica. Any vote for a 3rd party is wasted until critical mass is hit. If everyone votes 3rd party the rep/dems would be over in a day but everyone's afraid to do it. So they stick to it out of not wanting to waste a vote. Same thing when I first played csgo early on, no one wanted to rush or peek so 1 moron might push and die alone while everyone else pussed out even though we all agreed to push.

>tfw Trump will absolutely win a second term since Dems are divided between 3 candidates

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Trump is the best president Israel has ever had. MIGA

>implying third parties are any better

they're all delusional try hard cucks. quit your job. farm your land. receive welfare. embrace pagan tribalism and starve the beast.

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Based user MIGA

Lowest black unemployment ever.......people who care about the 120,000,000 illegals are stupid racists

>reddit frog
Yikes! that's gonna be an oof from me, bro

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Literally no one gives a fuck about your approval