I have a question, a moral quandary. If an AI were trained to make CP from totally legal pictures, would its results be illegal? ThisPersonDoesn'tExist style, where the faces, and bodies in this case, are fabricated from tons of pictures. In common legal jurisdictions, probably. The idea itself is illegal, not the actual content. Even loli or other simulated "CP" is illegal in their eyes, despite harming no real children. But would it STAY illegal given time and a leftist push for acceptance? Naturally, most would want their images excluded from this AI's learning process, from ordinary people to the porn actresses that provide the nudity data, but how does one stop a company like google or nvidia from harvesting their photo data without consent? Can you prove they took your pictures? And without a real sample of what kids look like, could the AI produce believable results?
The left pushes back against this stuff even harder than the right. Everyone with a pronoun in their Twitter bio is always the first to retweet a inflammatory callout post for someone who drew a picture of Misty from Pokemon having sex. They're the ones raising the age of consent to 18 everywhere, and also the ones now pushing the narrative that anything under 20 is suspect of pedophilia. Source: I am a frustrated leftist who sees absurd hypocrisy on the daily
Gabriel Cox
Completely legal photos of nude adult women, fully clothed underage girls, and girls in swimsuits legally posted on instagram by their jewish parents. The combined AI result would probably be illegal in most jurisdictions, but no real human girl is depicted. I ask our bravest: would such a thing eventually become legal?
Cameron Moore
Don't think there's a law that makes it illegal but they would make one real quick and the whole thing would be taken down, even without one you would be arrested, rightfully so.
Nicholas Hill
Don't get emotionally stunted here, because I'm not going to make this. Others like the people that killed Epstein will, and there's nothing you can do about it. The question is whether or not such an AI production is moral or not.
Aaron Gray
As someone who had to change my little sister's shitty diapers back when I babysat for my parents, child genitalia looks nothing like adult genitalia. In order for it to work you're gonna need actual child porn, I'm afraid. It's just not feasible. And considering that drawn lolicon isn't banned, I highly doubt content that is indistinguishable from child porn will be. Also, content that is indistinguishable from depictions of actual banned porn is already illegal so they don't even have to pass new laws for it.
And considering that drawn lolicon is banned, I highly doubt content that is indistinguishable from child porn won't be*
Ethan King
>rightfully so. No it isn't, not as bad as actual cp but definitely not moral.
Asher Thomas
But you're looking at a 2019 compass (from a nation I don't know). As everything decays, assuming this is the norm for the pedo elite that took out Epstein, how will things evolve as the climate decays and they have more room to operate unhindered? I think stuff like this will eventually be normal, because we're too busy worried about how we're going to eat.
Leo Scott
Maybe, i don't know, i think everything is going to crumble before that happens but that's a whole different discussion.
Jonathan Smith
There's nothing wrong with it, in the case of both lolis and hypothetical AI-generated images. It would also be ok for the AI to use publicly available pics of kids in its training, as long as the pics of those kids were never pornographic.
Jackson Wilson
Yes? Obviously? Fuck dude, you're high if you think something like that would ever fly, and I'm not saying this as someone against the idea.
Thomas Nguyen
We really reach the edge of fair use with this idea. The Japanese ideas where they blur faces wherever possible, and only reuse images when given explicit copyright permission (check JP wikipedia to see how bland it is without images), is what will probably eventually come to the west given deepfake tech on a wide scale. Nobody will want their face to be available on a wide scale.
Nicholas Sanchez
It would be illegal since loli is illegal. The A.I. would be canned like Tay and the one that said the homeless niggers were Cali's west coast's problem and should get rid of them. The creators will get party v& and face Chris Handson
Daniel Myers
It depends on the country/state. Here in California, simulated child porn is also illegal. That extends to loli hentai and what you describe.
Justin Hernandez
It would be difficult for you to prove that any given image did not depict a real person though, so it would be considered CP as long as it looks convincing enough.
Mason Lee
Yeah I suppose permission has to be given first to use the image for AI training. I guess my point is there are no unique permissions needed for children that wouldn't also be needed for adults.
Julian Diaz
Loli should be legalized nationwide though. If it reduces the amount of molestations and rapes then it should be legal. Ever since the introduction of porn, the amount of sexual assaults and rapes has decreased.
Christopher White
I would actually be very easy. Adults could sell their fully clothed kid images to the company, as could pornstars sell their nude photos. The AI could, given enough training, combine the two to make fake CP. It doesn't depict a real child, and all parties receive payment for their input. A simple database oversight could prove that the content was generated with 100% legal content.
Cameron Allen
>even without one you would be arrested, rightfully so. ??? Isn't that the opposite of what is right? No crime is committed, no one was harmed, but punishment is just? Just listen to yourself lad.
Jackson Kelly
Let me clarify: they don't sell their kid's photos, they sell their own pics when they were kids. Say, $100 a pop for your own childhood photos to feed the AI? Would you say no? Your actual face will never appear to anyone, only an aggregate AI face.
Ian King
No is harmed when you wank to cp, when you wank in the bushes stalking a little girl, when you use drugs, when you're a faggot, when you're a whore, do you understand how real life works or are you just too much of a brainlet to see the harm that's being done?
Daniel Brown
What about deep nude on a teenager in a bikini? The algorithm is trained on images of adults, so the fake nudes it generates would be imitation of adult anatomy.
Gabriel White
Nobody here is talking about real people. We're discussing AI and aggregate image data. If you want the real shit, maybe go down to your local police station.
Lucas Rogers
Yea. If you try using Deepfake on small girls and teenagers it tries to give them titties and they come out all distorted.
Jacob Ortiz
True, but there are many legal adults, even in porn, that have small breasts. These are a legal training sample to generate fake illegal content.
Samuel Ward
I don't understand why cp is illegal in the first place
Wyatt Cooper
> 2061 > AI generated porn is now the only source of fap material > fucking politicians and feminists > well, at least now you can fap to whatever weird shit you always wanted > CP too > I can live with that > find some good CP, tagged "AI generated", looks good, better than most of AI generated CP > feelsgoodman.jpg > save it, bust a couple of nuts to it, share it with some anons on web > go to sleep > morning > knock-knock at the front door > -eh what the fuck? > look outside the window > two guys wearing suits and black glasses, black SUV behind them > open the door > -CIA. user, we already know everything, you have one phone call > news report that over the last week around 10000 young men in their 20's were detained all across the country and are soon to be imprisoned for saving and distributing child porn
Wyatt Gomez
>2061 >young men Phew, I'm safe. I'll probably be dead.
Benjamin Long
If they enforced the laws on Loli being illegal I guarantee society would be surprised and how many normal men would be put away over that dumb shit.
Connor Martin
Well some countries already did so, didn't they? I've heard Russia had something with lolis and hentai in general. Any RU anons ITT?
Cooper Ramirez
user, assuming such a future, that content could be denied in court as illegal. If your lawyer could prove it was fake, or even prove a doubt in the jury, you walk.
Aiden Campbell
>Enforce Thats the keyword even it places wheres it is illegal its not enforced shit the real thing is sometimes the same way in certain places or countrys.
Jack Scott
The laws revolve around the level of realism. Bottom line; if it looks real enough, it's illegal.
Luke Young
But how far can such a law stretch? Assume a deep-dive VR future where even kids exist, or adults can become kids again. Can kids take off their clothes and bathe? Can they have sex, despite actually being adults in the real world? In a deep-VR experience, would you really deny a kid a bath? If not, and you are still puritan, do VR kids have no genitalia? Can adult players not perceive their kids taking a bath?
Benjamin Myers
That's pretty much impossible, but I don't think it would be hypothetically illegal. CP laws exist to protect children and their futures, so if you have content that is provably fake there's no reason that it would be illegal.
again, (((hypothetically))), fbi-san.
Blake Moore
>CP laws exist to protect children HOLY FUCK Have you seen the news?
>But how far can such a law stretch? Considerably far given the fact you can be punished for pornography featuring anime-styled loli. Naturally, it's almost always a losing situation, as a jury would most likely strike you down without a second thought.
Kevin Foster
user, that's not even close to the topic. You're very defensive, almost like you're either a glow in the dark, or someone who was a victim of them.
Kayden Jones
>exist to protect children Hahahaha Oh wait, you're serious AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Adrian Anderson
they do though, i don't get the joke. It's a law because CP causes the child to be a victim for essentially forever.
Liam Cox
>HE TRIED IT >HIS NECK LOOK LIKE A STIRLOIN STEAKBURGER >HE GOT A PSP
Riddle me this, if CP is illegal to protect children, why is drawn loli illegal, where the only people involved are consenting adults producing and consuming the content, considered cp and illegal too?
Cooper Price
its like a gateway drug?
Adam Richardson
the hell? since when has drawn loli been illegal and where?
Logan Campbell
Loli is legal in the US. Canada and a bunch of other countries, not so much.
Wyatt Kelly
There are so many issues with banning drawn loli.
For one, how do you differentiate between a character above or below 18? Is this just a subjective measure? Artists can just say that a character is thousands of years old, and then they are. "Yeah so uhh...we think this character is 17 years old and 11 months, you're going to jail"
Nicholas Nelson
The argument is that 2d loli leads to 3d loli, which leads to real cp, which leads to actually molesting children. Sounds a bit like a slippery slope fallacy but I'm not an expert
Luke Watson
I don't think cops care if the kid is real or not when they find cp in a computer
Loli porn is a depiction, just like rea child porn. When one looks at cp, they are not seeing the act take place, but an image or series of images depicting it. I assume that loli follows he same principle, despite a far higher level of abstraction
Jonathan Wilson
But at 100% abstraction, 0 children or adults are harmed but the production of the material. And by the fake material's existence, even fewer real individuals will be harmed. This can't be worse than the current state of things.
John King
Regardless, the law concerns both the harm of children and the depiction of it, seemingly in most forms. I am not sure about the ethics surrounding it, but the letter of the law does seem to be carried out. Banning loli porn is within the law itself. As there are many grey areas, i do wonder about exceptions, since that is what we are discussing. Very few laws are watertight. I think that, in order to prove it to be acceptable based on what we already know, the argument that needs to be made is that the abstraction is to a degree in which the content in question can no longer be classified as in violation. If you can prove that a significant degree of abstractions makes loli content no lonnyer a form of pornography depicting minors, you have a case for it.
Ryan Ross
Please have sex originally. And extremely oregano for that too.
Gavin Anderson
>PEDO THREAD >telling people to have sex eh hehehe
Justin Rodriguez
>HE GOT A PSP hey i have a playstation portable as well!
Aiden Diaz
>pedo I can guarantee that almost no person that has clicked on or replied to this thread has had sex at any point in time.
I literally said that the law is correct in how it bans those images. If you wanted them to be allowed you would have to prove that they do not depict what they seem to depict. I am in favor of the bans on these images. I am arguing AGAINST loli content being legal. Is my vocabulary so wide that you could not understand me?
William Flores
AHAHAHAHA OH! OHHHH!! HE LOOKS LIKE THE GUY FROM GLEE!
Cooper Carter
>drawn lolicon is banned what shithole do you live in
I just enjoy discussing taboo topics. The point I'm trying to convey is this >hyper-realistic-but-its-not-a-real-person bullshit would never hold up in front of a jury. You would need tangible, easy to examine proof that you did indeed generate the offending material using a series of computer programs. You are guilty until proven otherwise when it comes to any illegal images involving the likenesses of children, and people won't be opposed to bending rules here and there to make sure certain people get screwed.
Joshua Gonzalez
But one could provide the entire image-base and algorithm for the jury to play with. They could make thousands of fake cunny images with your toolset before coming out with their tentative verdict. Would it really be a guilty one if they came to understand the tech?
