Would a ~5'0 femanon rather a date a 5'6 man, or a 6'0 man

sure thing buddy, i bet you watch porn

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It just so happens that your bf is on the taller side, right?

>If they had the same personality
Then it would depend on looks, my relationship with him already, his intelligence, if his life goals align with mine, etc.
Men are focused on their "priority", women have facets.

I don't know about hopeless, some people may read this and come to light.

Kek not by Jow Forums standards where anyone less than 6' is a manlet. Second hottest dude I ever met was 5'5 btw. Please go dilate.

lmao what does this even mean in relation to my comment?

hahahahahahaha

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So how tall is he? Nice attempt to dodge the question by mentioning the second hottest one. I bet he's 5'11, since you used 6' as the cutoff.

You are the most insecure faggot I have seen today. How tall are you and when did you realize you are gay?

I didn't dodge the question, I answered and added more details. He's literally just off 6' and, like it or not, is still considered a manlet by Jow Forums standards. I can't wait for you to use this as evidence that women were only attracted to "tall men" and ignore everything else shared in this thread like a rational adult.

Kill yourself faggots. Yeah people on the virgin board are insecure, fuck off.

>pornfag likes women and hates men and is also retarded
who would have thought

Fuck off, you wouldn't accept that from a chick so I'm not accepting it from a faggot. I don't care if you've resigned yourself to misery, stop trying to convince others that they have to do the same because in reality they don't.

More like it depends on his bank account

Or, y'know, not. Although I'm impressed that was original

lol i'm a woman and i don't hate men at all (not even short men)

maybe i'm a little retarded, that part's still up in the air i guess

>lol i'm a woman and i don't hate men at all (not even short men)
>not even short men
this sounds like a joke but I'm afraid is not :(

>You make it sound like his face makes up for the fact that he's 5'7. So you would prefer taller?
I'm saying I dated him because he had a nice face. I didn't give a shit about his height. I only said his height because you seem to think "short" guys are unable to get a gf desu.

All you told me is that, even though you're with a guy of above average height now, you swear you found a 5'5" guy attractive once. And you're still refraining from disclosing your bfs exact height.

No one here unironically thinks that 5'11 is manlet status and he's still pretty much a foot taller than you. Your anecdote does not prove that you are different, no matter how much you would like it to.

>Attractive once
I mean, second hottest guy I've ever met is kinda to prove the point that your height really doesn't affect much, bit that I was "once attracted to a short man"
>Not disclosed height
Just under 6', like I said last time. I don't know the exact height so if you're still confused, we'll say 5'11.5 for ease.
My anecdote is not to prove that "I am different", the exact opposite of my point, but that looking at a single facet of sometimes physicality and writing them off from dating from that is retarded. I believe most women see her the exact same way I do, which is that it's almost completely irrelevant in mate selection.

Bit that = not that
Sometimes physicality = someone's physicality
See her = see height
Phone posting whilst walking is hard

All available stats prove you wrong, though.

Please cite a single source which isn't a degenerate dating site pool of info. I would like an actual scientific study proving this, preferably within the last two decades of I'm going to be fussy.

Yet, we barely ever see posts of girls saying "My bf is 5'4"/shorter than me and I love him and we're getting married". It's always "Height doesn't matter but the guy I'm actually in a relationship with at the moment is fairly tall". It's easy to claim that you find a shorter guy attractive if you're not dating one.

I'm not trying to twist your words to claim that all women only want tall men. I'm sure there are women who really don't pay much attention to it, but in general women have a strong preference for taller men and many women are honest and upfront about it. Women are allowed to have this preference, they can't help what their body responds to, but it's disingenuous to try and pretend that it's not a thing. This is mostly done to virtue signal. Do you think your hot 5'5 guy would tell you his height hasn't limited his dating prospects if you asked him directly?

>dating sites don't count!
Even though the number of people meeting each other online is rapidly shooting up while all other avenues of dating are dying out.

my 5ft gf didn't care about the whole tall guys thing before she met me but she's now really fucking into the fact im 6'2 and much bigger than her

The taller the better. A man must not even be my height, he must be atleast 8 inches taller 5 than me. If im 5 feet why would I want a man who is considered short. I would even go for a man that im half his height.

> general women have a strong preference for taller men
No, thots following a social norm are open about this, same as promiscuous men have a preference for women with large tits or a high body count. This isn't the norm for everyone and using the vocal minority as an example doesn't help. Do you have any non anecdotal evidence that women prefer tall men? Please refer to for what would actually be consider a source.
Again, someone's feelings on the matter are largely irrelevant, plus limiting someone's options is not the same as "if there's a taller guy, no one's gonna be attracted to you". Attraction is far more nuanced than who's the tallest courter.

Dating sites are literally full of degenerates. If you want to use them as the baseline for human attraction go nuts but I won't be.

I've tried several times but it keeps saying that it's spam. I can't seem to add links even with an URL shortener.

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Unfortunately without a study I can't verify. Do you want to name it so I can Google it myself? Although from the graph you've put up I can already imagine it's going to be... Interesting

psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201306/why-women-want-tall-men
vice.com/en_uk/article/j5wkm8/dating-tall-man-advantage-love-island
washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/08/27/tall-men-have-their-pick-of-the-dating-pool/?noredirect=on

You are a retard. I'll blow you the fuck out some more. Refer to all of the studies in these articles.

Social norms aren't dictated by vocal minorities. By definition they reflect the large majority of the population. Most of the population is trash regardless of gender. Real love, romance and nuanced attraction is a privilege of the top 20%.

I wanted to add about 6 of them and I can't. Here are their titles if you want:

>The height of choosiness: Mutual mate choice for stature results in suboptimal pair formation for both sexes
This shows that most women do reject "short men" purely for being short
>Women want taller men more than men want shorter women - Gert Stupl et al
Women's preferred height difference is roughly 8 inches between them and their partners
>Partner wealth predicts self-reported orgasm frequency in a sample of Chinese women
It shows women orgasm more with rich dudes simply because they're rich, not actually better at sex.
>Sociodemographic Correlates of Sexlessness Among American Adults and Associations with Self-Reported Happiness Levels: Evidence from the U.S. General Social Survey
This shows wives are less likely to have sex with their husbands if their husbands make less money than them.
>Manipulated luxury-apartment ownership enhances opposite-sex attraction in females but not males
And I know you said you don't want "dating websites" as evidence, but this is from a dating website. It shows men are considered much more attractive if you photoshop a fancy apartment in the background.

Put the links in a pastebin. Anyway the bitch has no answers, shes gone.

okay user. First article study isn't linked at all, I had to look for it. The people used are first year university students so they are not representative of the population as a whole and
>height perception and preference is relative.
Was in the conclusion of the study. But this does show women wanting taller been, so if it were done representative I'd take it as conclusive proof.
Second articles, first study;
>Trading height for education
So people of both sexes get smarter partners if they're taller, meaning than dumber people of birth genders like taller people. Shows women like height but not more than men.
Second article, second study;
Relationships in which the woman is the taller of the two, based on data taken from middle class households, was much rarer than anticipated, 1/720. This makes a good argument for women wanting been taller than themselves, anything not necessarily tall, but the data is a small-ish sample non-representative of the population and was done nearly 4 decades ago now.
That third article's study I suggest everyone read, because it's sorry interesting and it talks about the multiple facets affecting this and how it's not all down to height, anything height does seem to affect everything. That last one actually pushed me further away from your point, not toward.

I'm just about to go and do shit, I'll save this for later. The second one you linked I've just responded to, but basically that was a bunch of first year uni students and the last one again is a bunch of degenerates. Studies are good but please check the sample because otherwise they can be forcibly pushing an agenda. Think who benefits if shorter men think they aren't with reproducing with. If I have time later I'll read through and consider these ones too, thanks for linking.

wow you dated a slightly below average guy in height congrats

what you just posted is all wrong have sex incel

>T. Incel
Seething

And why do you believe that first year uni students somehow disparage against short men at higher rates than the average woman? I seriously don't see your logic.
And the dating website stands because it doesn't matter. Why would women have different sexual standards on a dating website than in real life?

no i fucking hate tall men i want a partner shorter then me

ithis isnt even fucking bait i just really fucking hate people taller than me

i want a 4,11 cutie boy

im not an incel you incel you are the incel and you are also wrong and a retard keep whining about state enforced gfs bitch

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

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The same reason a bunch of middle aged women all in the same job aren't representative of women, women aren't a monolith. To have a representative study to price that all women think this way it would have to be women from different walks of life, ages and views.
Women in dating sites are far more likely to be degenerates. Again, if your want to include their base wants as society's base wants go nuts but I'm not. If you think the people you get online dating are representative of the population, I don't know what to tell you.

>T. Incel
Poor larp, please dilate

Women aren't a monolith, but female college students are? This makes no sense. Please provide some evidence that the sexual standards of college women are somehow greatly different from women not currently in university. Especially when it comes to height.

And what exactly is "degenerate" for you? Cause as far as I know most women in the developed world use dating websites or have used 1 at least once.

Women's taste in height typically works like this:
Is he tall enough to be taller than me even when I'm wearing nice shoes? Is he not so tall that I look like a child next to him?

That covers a range of about 6-10" of difference in height.

After that, height is a secondary consideration to other factors like physical appearance, lifestyle and personality.

No, women aren't a monolith but women living a very similar life at that point in time are far more likely to share similar views than women who aren't living like that. How to put this - would you take a study telling you how all men thought if it were only rural factory workers? This is not to say you think all these men think the same, but you can surely understand that they aren't representative of all men.
Degeneracy is casual sex, user. Or casual relationships too, I guess, so where you don't plan on being with them permanently, they're just a stop gap.

> but women living a very similar life at that point in time are far more likely to share similar views
And how would this affect their height preference?
>Degeneracy is casual sex, user.
I see, so your claim is that most women are degenerates?

So you are willing to believe that dumb degenerate thots as well as young educated women both somehow have a sexual preference for tall men, but that the average women is still neither of these and doesn't have the same preference?

Do you realise how many women from all social backdrops pass through university every year? Three quarters of all Americans who obtain their high school diploma go on to attempt college. This includes people from working class families, wealthy families and even illegal immigrants. You don't think that's representative of a big chunk of society?

Furthermore, don't you think the preferences of college aged women matter a little more than the average, even if they were skewed, since most people are looking for partners around this age? A guy in his twenties who's trying to find a mate really doesn't care what middle-aged women of different cultures have to say about height.

>Degeneracy is casual sex, user. Or casual relationships too, I guess, so where you don't plan on being with them permanently, they're just a stop gap.

I see. Well, that gave away the whole game.
user wants a complete elimination of sex outside of marriage so no one will ask him if he's ever had a girlfriend or even had sex.
Because to him, not getting married is normal. Most guys his age forego marriage until later in life. (But that's because, since they're allowed by society to have sex outside of marriage, marriage becomes something more akin to the step before getting ready to have children.)

The problem with his plan is that people would simply start getting married earlier, like they used to. (Or still do, if you look at marriage ages in fundamentalist Christian communities)

And again, he would be the weirdo.

>user, I don't see a weddin' ring. You ain't married? How old are you?
T-twenty two, sir.
>Twenty-two?! By gum, I had two sons by then. Life comes at you fast, I s'pose.
I guess.
>You got your eye on a girl yer courtin', though?
No.
>...Son, this community does not take kindly to sissies. I ain't got nothin' against what you want to do in your bedroom. That's between you and the Lord. But we can't have you corrupting the impressionable minds of the children. This is a good community.

5ft retard midget, my ex was 5'7", I once dated a 5'3" guy, and my current bf is 6'0". As long as he's a bit taller than me it's fine, taller is sexy but personality us most important.

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>post-war and Great Depression generation
>188cm
Gets me everytime

Nobody chooses their genetics, I can still produce viable sons

>I once dated this guy, then other guy and now dating other guy

You realise you're just a fuckin slut

If you're competing with a meme graph it shouldn't be that hard

Just rememeber regardless of height, a midget fuck would still judge you by appearance and a lot

>Oh boy 3 boyfriends, my labia just drag across the floor being in a mans mere presence.
Do you know how many males have rejected me? Did you ask my age and the length of each relationship? Or even if we had sex?

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We know you had sex with all of them lol.

If compare him against my own rating, features I like, compatible personality. He needs to be funny kinda edgy, functional, intelligent to some fucking extent.

It's not about knowing how it would affect, it's about not knowing that it does. Just assuming it wouldn't because you feel like it wouldn't isn't good enough.
My claim is most people are degenerate, but sure.

No, I'm saying that these two people could show these things in studies stacked toward their opinions, but that doesn't mean that everyone shares those opinions in the real world.
First year university student are not representative of the population as a while. The concept you're even trying to debate this is baffling.

I don't understand what you're trying to say, unless you're defending degeneracy.

> it's about not knowing that it does
It's not about that either, you literally cannot make an event somewhat logical argument as to why it would. You're just saying "IT COULD" and therefore the sample isn't good enough.
>My claim is most people are degenerate, but sure.
Well, you made some pretty sweeping generalizations before about how money isn't so important and height is secondary to personality.
Now you're saying that's not really true according to the majority of women?

Yeah whatever makes you feel better high body cunt.
This kek.

Youre in luck, be my gf. Please dont be a tranny, though

>nless you're defending degeneracy.
No, I'm saying short, sequential sexual relationships is normal for adolescent human males.
Humans are not monogamous. At best, they are serially monogamous.

Calling something you can't seem to manage "degenerate" is a coping mechanism, a way to assure yourself that you're not a complete oddball. You might as well be calling every American man who likes football "degenerate".

This.
How rich is he? How defined is his jaw? Is every other woman after him? Does he keep me on my toes by treating me badly? These are what matter.

>Does he keep me on my toes by treating me badly?

Honestly this is the one that kills me the most. Every girl I see loves to be berated and talked down to and belittled and yelled at by men.

Typical interaction for me
>Woman asks me question
>Well it's x because y (said in polite and kind tone)
>Woman responds with mistrust and is skeptical of answer
Typical interaction for some piece of shit dude
>Woman asks question of other guy
>it's obviously x you fucking idiot, how stupid could you be? You're a complete moron you know that?
>Woman immediately accepts answer and highly respects guy insulting her

I don't know man, I've tried yelling and being crude and just being a nasty person and I've had success but my heart isn't in it. I just don't like being that person. I wish women didn't value being mistreated so much. Sadly women just don't respond to kindness

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You will never get to know that because you already turned your brain off when you noticed he was shorter then the other guys
Dont kid yourself

>so your claim is that most women are degenerates?
Yes. Just because a behaviour has been normalized doesn't mean it isn't degenerate. Christ women are retarded

That wasn't at all what was being argued, you stupid fuck. Keep up with the conversation before replying.