Kill capitalist

>Why you so afraid of big dick socialism?
the mass killings primarily. more importantly, it isnt the system but the people. would just be trading one corrupt nepotistic charade for another

Instead its a

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capitalism is an inevitable result of the tendency for complex emergent systems to maximize the efficient dissipation of entropy, therefore no real alternative can ever exist

cf nick land

Capitalists have all the guns. Good luck with that.

indeed, fuck the poor.
They should get a job.

>the mass killings
Like amercan mass shootings

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>They should get a job.

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A few poorfags getting shot by a crazy guy is less worrisome than when the government kills 70% of its population randomly for fun

>no real alternative can ever exist

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no need to be dishonest, im referring to the violent revolutions which traditionally take place and leave the poor just as if not more disenfranchised. if you are interested in abandoning this false dilemma and providing some personal solutions im interested in this conversation. dont want you to assume i subscribe to the socialism=evil boomer meme

>government kills 70%

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>no need to be dishonest

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>Good luck with that.
Socialists make guns too dumbass

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Yeah funny when you think about it

>People should be expect to be drained of their resources

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>state murders for trivial reasons will not occur under socialism
once again, no need to be dishonest. we can have a conversation without that
that is the one line in my post you are interested in? not brainstorming new solutions or attempting to isolate the positives of multiple systems and bringing them together in something new?

Jeff unironically worked harder than most tax payers for over 30 years

>when you think about it

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Yeah? How many have you made, shithead? Do you even own one?

Rich people have arsenals stashed in their houses. Or they can just pay people with guns to go out and kill commies for them like in Colombia. Your gay little revolution is a meme, grow the fuck up and focus on shit that matters like helping out your aging parents.

Dude your memes are so funny! Almost as funny as the thought that people ACTUALLY think that communism will ever be a thing lmao!

>Jeff unironically worked harder

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>he thinks he would be in the 30%

>tha5 image
Rofl so true.
One particularly shitty work day everyone was complaining and threatened to walk out but the Manager bought everyone Mcdonalds and they all shut the fuck up.

Lol should have gotten a better job.

>poor people should just be made rich!

Silly to even consider it

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Reminder that communists are the worker's greatest enemies because every time anyone tries to talk things out and improve situations communists will inevitably jump in and go BRUH JUST KILL THEN AND TAKE THEIR SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE and ruin all chances of a meaningful dialogue.

>Silly to even consider getting a job
Get high blood pressure and pop an aneurysm, cancer.

>socialism
>slave to the state
Oh look another dumbfuck American that doesn't know what socialism means
And I'm willing to bet that you're under 25 and still on your mommy and daddys healthcare plan.

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>>Why do you hate medicare for all? Why do you hate healthcare?
Because it's basically just a scam to make you more dependent on the government, so that the government has more control over you. The more the government provides for you, the more scope they have to tell you what you must do or must not do, because its "for your own good" (you stupid fucking peasant), or because, since they're paying the bill, obviously they have the right to regulate you to ensure that their money is spent effectively.

Also, moral hazard. The more thoroughly the social safety-net can be counted on to catch people, the less incentive those people have to behave responsibly. Which plays right into the hands of the we-need-to-run-your-life-for-you crowd above. Why save money when the government will always give you some rather than let you be homeless? Why care about your health, doctors' visits, and whatever procedures you need to fix what ails you, are free! It's basically an individual-level version of what happened in the runup to the financial crisis at a corporate level, where banks decided that it didn't really matter if they loaded up on junk mortgage bonds, if something bad happened the government would always be there to give them a bailout.

I have my own healthcare plan and my company even pays the deductible so its almost entirely free. Ill repeat since you are a retard, socialism is literal slavery to the state

thats what is strage in this thread. that post doesnt seem to be interested in addressing the core of these problems and ignore how the same exploitation is facilitated under socialism. tanzania is a great case study as it had both and shows how the people are abused under each. the directness and visibility of 'capitalism off, socialism on, kill the current aristocrats' is obvious, but it simplifies to the point of distortion. this is in no way and endorsement of capitalism either

>I have my own healthcare plan
Sure you do, little man.

Who knows. Under capitalism you have pockets of bad bosses exploiting employees and pockets of good bosses empowering employees. Under socialism historically you just have bad politicians abusing literally everyone else and even when its in the name of innovation, they keep everyone as unhappy as possible

>I have my own healthcare plan
>my company pays the deductible

JESUS FUCK WHY ARE AMERICANS SO FUCKING STUPID KILL YOURSELVES

Did I strike a nerve, pajeet?

>communism is evil because of a famine
It's because of the retarded shit that led to those famines. Yes, famineS as in multiple, as in every country that has tried communism.
>USSR, Communist China, and North Korea feed its government before anyone else, including farmers, to the point where starving farmers were often killed if they ate their own food that they grew, because the government wanted first dibs
Communish, YES!!

Ironic you actually think socialism means slave when you are literally a slave pig to your corporate masters.

They could fire you literally on a whim and youd lose your healthcare you utter moron.

>rising costs of living
Maybe if you live in a major coastal city like a retard
>stagnant wages
For wagie jobs, trades are big pay now
>growing economical injustice
Living conditions are now better than ever, economical injustice to you retards is "hurr rich man who built lifechanging service makes more than pizza man this is bad"
>shallow response to a loaded topic
Nice
"Usually"
Its always
People say scandinavia is so great because fast food workers male like 18 an hour but tax is 55% so they walk away with fucking 8.50.
>33% of americans are obese
>99% of the 7000 starvations a year are neglected toddlers and elderly
Everyone IS fed fucktard
See above statement
>"muh ethics"
Ethics and moralfagging are for normalfag losers.
>muh mass shootings
America is 50 countries under 1 union not 1 country. Just because they're called states doesnt change that. Eurofags cant understans this because their union is just milquetoast bullshit
>using a satire site as an argument
Well i didnt expect better
>a famine
The devestation caused by the terror-famines in general, the 4 pests campaign, and the khmer rouge genocides was immense. Everywhere in the world was shitty in the 1600s. Using the 1600s as an argument for change in the 2000's is the lowest brain moce ever
>posting picture about bathrooms that probably has actual context behind it as an argument against capitalism
Socialists make onions smoothies and apologize for being white
Watch the socialist meeting that happened in the US, im not joking.
>the simpsons is capitalism
Low brain
Id listen to a turtle before i listen to a crippled gay yid
You get the point. Neurotypical retard who unironically uses shitty instagram strawmen memes as arguments against capitalism is retardes
>fire you on a whim
This happens 1000x less than you think it does you fucking skidmark.

You have much more choice of employers than of governments. Also your employer can't arrest you and throw you in jail, firing you is the worst they can do.

i cant claim to have done a systematic factoring of each so i cant contribute to the first, but what i meant by endorsement was more that i dont think capitalism in inherently good and by extension that socialism is inherently bad. people are always going to demonstrate a range of behavior, so all i really value regardless of system is a counter conspiracy to the state/large companies/army in regular people by massively diluting power, but they always break down eventually because of knowledge and agility disparities
im still getting into the history, but i think many of those famines were the intended effects. like with obamas healthcare push, bushs war, or the recent rezoning of many residential areas to allow massive contractors to move in but being sold as inclusive housing movements. the means isnt what really matters to those interests

Im not a slave to my company. People leave all the time freely to other companies. I choose my own projects and propose my own teams. Try doing that with a socialist government lol

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Taxes are not socialism

And the state owns the workers. step out of line and no more healthcare or sunshine

Medicare has all kinds of problems. It is responsible for the opioid epidemic.

You retards are so fucking transparent with your bullshit, it actually hurts.
Kill yourself.

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the american government and education system puts a lot of effort into propaganda to make you believe society is a pure meritocracy. these ideals partially leak into some other countries too due to america's influence.

You believe its a pure meritocracy? Yikes. I have never heard that before, even though everyone knows wages in the US are higher than almost anywhere else for skilled labor

>Fuck capitalism!
>*sips starbucks coffee
>*checks the time on the latest apple watch
>Oh, I'm late to see the new marvel movie.

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>inb4 butthurt commie posts pic related as if it justifies him giving his money to Big Tech and Pedowood

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How would a commie post that if they are advocating for destroying current society, rather than improve it?

literally everything we consume is provided by capitalism. If they want to make a point, they should find a random island somewhere and kickstart their "socialist paradise" from the ground up.

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Because socialism is garbage. There are good ideas in there but the overall concept is shit.
Capitalism is by far the best system we have atm it just needs to be regulated properly. If not it just turns into corporatism and you get shitholes like america.

this is only disheartening because the posters ive tried to engage have replied exclusively with meme pictures and when asked about their own opinions outside of orthodoxy they immediately stopped. if it was a bunch of people coming over trying to engage and find something beyond the mainstream capitalism/socialism i would welcome it, but its literally just propaganda

Because this is their definition of "improve".
There's rarely anything else to their grand plans for their "paradise" then "kill the ebil 1%, gib everything to workers".
Something-something can't be achieved in one country something.
Typical commie cope.

>There's rarely anything else to their grand plans for their "paradise" then "kill the ebil 1%, gib everything to workers".
im still learning about the history of these systems, and let me acknowledge the disregard and exploitation many european nobility exercised over their peasants, but ive come to think of the violent revolution as a roundabout means of destroying a peoples institutionalized knowledge to create dependency and remove them as competition in the event of abandonment. the problem i have with these systems which still exists in socialism/capitalism today is the failure to properly disseminate that specialized knowledge

Honestly at this point I think both the right and the left should be pushing towards making the US a republic and giving each state more power of it's laws. California wants to be socialist? As long as it doesn't affect the tax rates on ol' joe back in Texas, do it. That way you can live in the state it fits your needs instead of playing this zero sum game with the federal goverment.

>it's another bait/raid thread

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repealing the 17th amendment would never get traction today. i think most people are sufficiently atomized that they feel they need a federal overseer and jim crow will be used as a boogeyman for sure

there are many people engaging with the raiders, i think thats why they seemed to stop so quickly

>You believe its a pure meritocracy?
no, I was explaining why so many people are firm believers in nothing but capitalism, 100% free market. especially boomers, they believe that "hard work=more money" shit

I agree but it's stupid. You have effectively two different nations in the same physical space. Left and right culture are completly opposites, now more than ever. We are at a low-intensity civil war and things will only escalate from here. In order to avoid a full blown out US collapse or civil war, the logical choice should be to just let each state rule itself, that way you can you won't have such antagonism between right and left since each can have it's own piece of the pie to so speak.

But people are sheep. No one even floats this idea. We are all doomed. Bah.

Compare the money you make from working a job with the money you make from not doing anything. Its true to an extent, but I agree that some boomers think hard work means more hours or more sweat

America must expel all nonwhites and instate socialism.

a lot of the wealthy are just born into it though, they don't have any reason to really do "hard work" to get/stay rich

the first step imo, repealing the 17th, has been around for quite some time. it gets no air time because it was a cornerstone of mercantilism, now imperialism. sheep is too derogatory, i think most people know what we are living under is increasingly exploitative, are disillusioned and simply coping since any attempts at a counter conspiracy are met with overwhelming opposition and often death.
take a professor who is paid to essentially study and disseminate ideas. how can a regular wage slave possibly have the tools and depth of knowledge to adequately refute the professors position. that is another reason why i think we are trapped in orthodoxy and there is good reason for simply checking out

They're massive cucks who will do anything for corporations for a small handout. Guaranteed he breaks a toe and his ass out the door.

i think you know such a generalization is not accurate. there are some who do, but why would it then follow each wanted to live under such conditions? further, socialism doesnt guarantee such events never occur or occur less, which is why i maintain we need to collaborate and find a solution outside this dichotomy

People born into it need to work hard or they lost it over time though. Most arent born into the money they make in their lifetime anyway

I don't get this one, since when do journalists not write about concentration camps

>Why do you hate medicare for all? Why do you hate healthcare?
SocDem benefits and worker-owned co-ops are good and all, but they're dependent on the profits created from cheap resource extraction, low wages, and unfair trade/borrowing policies imposed on the Global South. Only the full abolition of markets and money and an economy based on mutual aid and production according to need rather than artificial demand is capable of achieving a fair and just world.

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You got any further reading on Tanzania? Sounds interesting but the Wikipedia was shit.

>mfw i used to work at a plastics injection mold place that genuinely did this

a lady passed out from heat exhaustion and the still barely gave us an extra 5 mins on break for heat break

boss hired his own wife to be the health and safety lead. tie bar exploded on a press machine right in my face and she ran from me and tried to blame me. machine was build in 1971

asked for a raise of 1 dollar after 3 years loyalty and was denied because "ive been here 8 years and havnt changed my salary yet!"

>mfw these are the working conditions on ONTARIO not fucking china its right here at home

so much worse shit happens in ontario its not even funny, we parade our workers rights but really we have none. a woman i worked with got an injury from repetitive work and when she tried to go on comp they fired her during the investigation (which of course made her win instantly) bosses also made everyone think she was a lying shithead so her last month was miserable

worker of 21 years retired on a wage of 12.75 (one year before 14 min wage)

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That's actually the pharmaceutical companies putting profit over the lives of people being the most effective drug dealers of all time

No regulation + capitalism at its best

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>$100 billion

Jeff Bezos does not actually have a giant pile of money to distribute. When you read "X is worth Y" it's almost always referring to assets owned. And any money he does have is probably in a bank in Scandinavia beyond anyone's reach.

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>they should find a random island somewhere and kickstart their "socialist paradise" from the ground up.

Then the US government will bomb the hell out of it, bann all trade, destroy its democratically-elected government in a coup and put a dictator in power as per usual standard.

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Thank you for your story this is why I post these threads

>When you read "X is worth Y" it's almost always referring to assets owned. And any money he does have is probably in a bank in Scandinavia beyond anyone's reach.

So tax evasion

This is acceptable why?

Are you fucking defending jeff bezos?

Taxes, m8. The government will make investment projects, similar to FDR's New Deal. The goal: Rebuild the Middle Class. That's where proper budgeting comes in, and that includes businesses too. Businesses should work in tandem with these rebuild projects. And if they don't and want to be stuck in their abusive ways, they get penalized on tax credits and face possible liquidation by the Feds, depending on how bad the offense is.

I totally get that, man. Rent and mortgages are a big hole in people's budgets, but nobody wants to create a plan on minimizing costs or find more efficient ways of using land/housing space.

A lot of business and government guys don't see the world past their own bubble. And it's an insult to the rest of us.

Socialism is the same, but you change "pizza party" with "censorship", "secret police" and "propaganda".

Filthy America landwhales don't deserve funerals. Throw her fat ass on a body farm.

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He fucking should've. Fuck Jesus. Hippie cuck.

Meme against capitalism

This board is entirely americans who have been brainwashed into believing they live in the best country with the least problems and their situation could be way worse when in reality they live some of the worst lives on earth. Stop wasting your time and move to a country that's not filled with drones.

>So tax evasion
>This is acceptable why?
Because taxation is theft and out government practices discretion in prosecuting it.

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Like Canada or Germany where every single free thinking citizen has the same correct opinion.

Taxation is not thief as you can see here: federalcriminallawcenter.com/2018/01/federal-theft-laws/ , but tax evasion is a crime.