You have to approach woman first!

If a women disrespects you. First off shes missing out on a catch of a guy and its her fault. Second off she is not worthy of your time for being a spoiled cunt. Move onto a girl that will like you. They exist but you have to wade through all the shit ones to get to her.

user i am the same. Try fapping less and youll find that your hornyness will overcome your anxiety.

Incorrect.
If you have major anxiety issues or have been mistreated and teased by women all your life.
No matter how much you fap, you will not approach women.

Women have always mistreated and teased me. I can be friends with women, but being intimate with one scares me.
Females have hugged me, I just assume they're fucking with me and using it to laugh at me later. It's happened before.
>get hugged by girl
>blush and get all quiet
>women laugh at me and call me cute.

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Oh damn. I didnt understand the severity of your shyness. I recommend therapy and exercise to learn how to grow past your anxiety.

But hey at least youre not alone in your feels. Rejection clouds my mind too. It makes me pass up good opportunities to talk to girls or turns me into a sperg that ruins any initial attraction they may have had for me. We can both beat your inner demons me thinks.

>We can both beat your inner demons me thinks
Yeah but only if you stop being ugly first.

>First off shes missing out on a catch of a guy and its her fault.
what do people get spouting this obvious lie all the time? if you were such a great guy you wouldn't be getting skipped your whole life, I'm sick of these memes gents

The will to stay forever as a simp is strong with some people in this thread.

>if you dont worship womynz feet and always take initiative for their entitled ass youre a simp

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>they exist
>just wade through all the shit brooooo
will this meme ever die?

Then improve yourself. You dont have to be in the top percentage of men to get a gf. Only online dating (which is a dumpster fire).

This is basic 101 shit. If she gives interest signals you should go in, if you don't move in she will assume you are too beta. If you talk with a new girl, she never saw you never looked at you etc etc and tells you to fuck off, don't be surprised my nigga

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Its true. Im not saying its not complete bullshit cause it is. If you dont feel up to putting in the effort then it seems it would be best not to try. But know that you can get a gf.

>Then improve yourself. You dont have to be in the top percentage of men to get a gf
Surfe you don't have to be but allways remeber that if you are not no girl will ever truly love you she will allways go for a better option if given the chance no matter how much you care for her.

No.
Women on a promordial level are programmed to go for the best, they would never settle for ugly guys unless absolutely no other option is available and even then they will never be happy.

Approaching women is equivalent to sexual assault these days.

nobody says to orbit women. you have to be direct and if she doesn't put out in a short period of time you move on to the next

had women in the past give me interest signals but was too beta to even talk to them...

?
Learn to read faggot, I said the exact opposite of what you said there.

>It's not orbiting if I do it fast
Yeah right.

>you can get a gf lul
hell no you absolute faggot. hard pass.
i once put out the effort- ignored many that approach for that someone i love. guess what? i got #metooed for saying hi, and all the faggots ate that shit up. maybe it was me having an oneitis problem, but that sure gave girls/love a bad name.
thank god i still have considerable support despite being absolutely fucking silent, but i doubt anything could fix the trust issues i got from that incident
after all, they know nothing other than cry "rape" and tell their massive circlejerking intranet of friends about what that pathetic male did.

keep in mind, im an 8/10 chink in chink society. its seems to be just as kiked as western society. horror stories echoed on this board apply just as much here.
being a volcel is the only way i could prevent myself from being broken another time

>got #metooed for saying hi
Liar. Im not a chink but all the girls I have talked with even rude ones never cryed for rape. wtf.
They say no and you move on or give you a number and you keep talking. Go out chink

>lol my anecdote disproves you xddddd
you're so retarded, i dont know where to begin with. fuck off. hard.

imagine if all men stopped approaching women and made the women come to them
women would literally have mental breakdowns without suitors to leach off of

theyd start thinking they were ugly and their insecurities would swell and they'd rip their eyeballs out

that's inhuman, sorry user. betatards are omnipresent. can't blame them, its human nature.

jesus fucking christ
he's on your side you absolute retard

The thought of this pleases me. Imagine woman having to pussy up and hit on guys. It wouldn't be that bad though cause most guys would say yes.

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for some reason though women think men like approaching women and that it's super easy for them
they think they're unique for not wanting to approach guys, when it's literally just that they're not required to by society

No female has ever expressed interest in me, though

why do women have to be so indirect? I hate that shit. also doesn't help that I'm literally autistic so don't understand their stupid "signals" at all

And the funny thing is if woman approached first it would be far more efficient, a woman is much more likely to get a yes than a man, and it would cut down on unwanted advances.

women know that they are a man's weakness.
after all, who doesn't like cutting corners when they know that they can do so?

Its the benefit of being a woman. If men received even a forth of the attention from woman that they do from us we wouldn't be direct either. Just think if you could rely on at least 1 average girl asking you out a month, its too convenient to make you put actual effort in.

It can be a sequence of looks a smile eyes getting bigger, being nervous around you lots of things that you might not be paying attention.
Lift and work on yourself and you will see this like a routine user

oh well it's obvious why they never approach guys, nobody's questioning that
I just hate how instead they pretend like it's not just because of their gender. I've seen a bunch of tinder profiles that say shit like "teehee, I never message first because I have social anxiety and messaging first is really hard!"
no shit messaging first is hard, you don't have to do it not because you have social anxiety but because you're a woman.

>just lift and work on yourself bro
does schadenfreude happen to be your fetish?

Well, who can blame you, their gender roles have been completely eroded so I guess men will eventually do the same and society will just crumble.

oh, those? they're entitled fucks. rind someone thats not on some pathetic hookup site, or just be a volcel. its the equivalent of ripping your heart out, but its worth it in the long run.

It's their nature you can't change it. Women need to be lead on, a man needs to be decisive and if she gives the green light he needs to say yes I want it or no pass "she looks fat" "tattoos"
You need to be respected and know what you wan at all times

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I mainly just downloaded tinder for the sake of trying it out and never expected anything to come of it
with that being said though I have no clue where else to meet women since I have no social life and no way to start one

>If a women disrespects you. First off shes missing out on a catch of a guy and its her fault.

It's funny how this is the only context in which people are told to laugh off being disrespected.

>Hey black guy! If some white guy disrespects you, don't worry about it - it's his loss!

...Said nobody ever.

gimme dat gif nigga

>It can be a sequence of looks a smile eyes getting bigger, being nervous around you lots of things that you might not be paying attention.

Unfortunately, if someone is laughing AT you or is nervous when you are around precisely because they are concerned you might create an awkward situation by asking them out...they will look like they are giving you these "indirect" signals. So you have to impose a rationality check:

>Is this girl attractive?
>If yes, her smile is a result of her suppressing the impulse to laugh in your fucking face

on the offchance that you haven't lost faith in any god, go to church.
not being paid to say this, but im a christcuck so it seems like a logical choice.
outside of church, school connections are unlikely unless you're on good terms with your mates.
if all these dont work out, i dont know anymore. i could miss out on a lot or maybe ive got everything here.
either keep your hopes up or go nietzsche. godspeed user

To be fair chimping out because someone said Le niggur word lmao is pathetic.

Yep, it's incel cope.

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That's not what an anecdote means you absolute retard. But whatever, I see you're rationalizing your simping, so fuck it.

le incelibate le cope

I've never been a fan of religion and only been to church a few times in my childhood so going there just to meet girls would just be scummy
>outside of church, school connections are unlikely unless you're on good terms with your mates
or if I don't have any mates lmao

enlighten me on what "anecdote" means then, professor. picrel

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>If you dont simp and orbit you're an incel
The absolute state of 4chin

I look a little intimidating. I'm white but I have black hair, and have a "resting bitch face" by what my friends tell me, randoms ask me if I'm angry etc. I still get attention with this shit tier personality, it's just harder.
Laughing at your shit jokes != laughing at you

Oh my bad, my comment was not meant to you. I confused some comments.

your way of thinking gives you away instantly

you're so certain that you'll end up becoming an orbiter that you think it's the only outcome of approaching women

the reality is not that extreme. you don't have to orbit. like user said, get to know a girl, ask her out, if she says no just move on to the next one. but it sounds like you're prone to orbiting and you've built this defense mechanism (MGTOW-esque) so that your feefees won't get hurt because you know deep down you'll succumb to hope and orbit (someone completely unsuitable for you) again

tell me i'm wrong, i really want to hear it

no mate, not just going to church to have a gf. cant deny thats scummy.
go there to actually learn about the bible and shit. finding a potential is a by-coincidence thing.
i really dont know, i was also dragged into church at the beginning- i was a kid. i have a background in science, which is why i stayed when everyone else lost faith. but church doesn't seem to suit you, so i dont know anymore.

i know an indon mate who actually get laid by meeting a cashier at a mall, but indons aren't really known for being faithful so it might be by chance. even then they still are happy together as far as i know though
maybe this could give you a hint

>you're so certain that you'll end up becoming an orbiter that you think it's the only outcome of approaching women
Not him but that is literally it if you're an ugly guy, why would a female even be with an ugly guy when all of them no matter how bad looking can get decent men?
You have to be a total fucking retard to do that as a girl.Women have it so easy i wish i was born a woman.

>go there to actually learn about the bible and shit
right, and I was saying that's not gonna happen so I'd only be going to church to meet women

>someone completely unsuitable for you

Not that guy, but - I'm hearing this exact expression used more and more in this context. Maybe it's all just you and you're shitposting the hell out of this; maybe it's just something people are starting to say. I don't know. But ultimately it makes no sense.

It's entirely possible to cold approach lots of people who are completely unsuitable for you. But it's very difficult to *orbit* lots of people who completely unsuitable for you. The only way orbiting occurs is if there is enough of a congruence there for you to be able to stand being around each other. USUALLY, you have to be sympatico enough for the girl to enjoy using you as an emotional tampon. No one is allowed to orbit someone they're COMPLETELY incompatible with.

Unless you're using "completely unsuitable for you" as some kind of euphemism for "someone better looking than you"?

>Gives you away
I'm not even sure what you mean by that. If you mean that it is obvious which user I am: I never had any intention of hiding myself

>You're so certain that you'll end up becoming an orbiter that you think it's the only outcome of approaching women
Stop projecting retard, I never orbited no one.

>The reality is not that extreme
And yet, you call this a thread an incel cope just for not asking women out first

>the reality is not that extreme. you don't have to orbit. like user said, get to know a girl, ask her out, if she says no just move on to the next one. but it sounds like you're prone to orbiting and you've built this defense mechanism (MGTOW-esque) so that your feefees won't get hurt because you know deep down you'll succumb to hope and orbit (someone completely unsuitable for you) again
Stop projecting you retard, I literally never asked women out, nor met one with he intention of asking her out. The opposite did.
It is all pretty simple really, but retards like you always feel the need to rationalize it all.

-1. If there wasn't so many retards like you approaching and asking every fucking thing that has a pussy out, their values wouldn't be so inflated.
-2. I don't want to lose my time seeking women, even if that's a few minutes of asking a woman out. I have better things to do.
-3. I'd rather die alone than lose my time.
-4. If a woman asks you out, she likes you. But when you're the one asking women out, chances are she doesn't want you. So you should simply filter the ones that ask you out.
5. If no woman asks you out chances are do nothing but waste your time if you tried asking women out.
So in conclusion: most of your imbecile's problems, and male devaluation in relationships exist because of your low standards and the virtual inexistence of passive men, which in consequently creates the overvaluation of women on the dating scene.
How hard is it to understand?
Do you imbeciles even know what consumption and demand is?

yes, looks, but also status. you can't be a NEET for 10 years that never goes anywhere, has no friends or never does any social activities like sports where you network with ppl of similar status

every normal man will slam-dunk you just by existing and no normal woman would settle for you cos she can get better (basic market supply and demand)

but overreacting to the word orbiting tells me the person has had experiences where they've overstayed after a rejection and are now too hurt to do it to themselves again cos they don't know how to just move on

meanwhile that's how normies get gfs - they do team activities, get to know ppl with similar personalities / status / looks / goals, build trust and bam you get a gf. if you get rejected there's other groups to go to, hopefully by the time you're 1st year in college you'll already have a wide enough network.

if you did like me you'll play it smart and let people come to you. the student pub was full of new people every week. very similar financially, socially, etc. lots of fucking, lots of relationships, lots of broken hearts. all you gotta do is spend time with normies and not overinvest. you literally can't orbit unless you can't give up hope like a puppy left in the rain. knew a guy who was a total wreck in the face and on the spectrum as well, he didn't give a shit, just kept trying with different girls and detached completely after a rejection. just stone cold autist detachment.

No. I am really you honestly and confidently that no female has ever expressed interest in me. I know all the signs. I keep an eye out for them. At 22 years old I am near peak virility so my mind naturally tries to pick up on these things. It has never happened. I am not saying it is a bad thing; I have learned to stop caring. I certainly don't have the motivation to become attractive. It's just funny sometimes to remind normies that not everyone has it easy

...really *telling* you...

>try to approach women in my university
>just ask normal shit like "what are you studying", "what's your name", etc
>they always seem uncomfortable or give excuses to stop taking
>very few even tried to be friendly
>eventually just stop trying
It has been like this my whole life. People just won't give me a chance. I must be really fucking ugly.

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>I must be really fucking ugly.
We all are.

I am hideous, although I don't see it. Utterly unattractive

>But overreacting to the word orbiting tells me the person has had experiences where they've overstayed after a rejection and are now too hurt to do it to themselves again cos they don't know how to just move on
You know literally fucking nothing about me, so don't assume.
I hate orbiters because they create their own problem, devaluating men on the dating market. And consequently, I dislike men that frequently go out of their way with the intent of getting a girlfriend, because that IS a form of orbiting, a lesser one, but still, devaluating men on the dating market with low results.
I see you're assuming I'm some kind of incel or some shit like that, but I'm not. I am asked out every now or then, but I still like all these kinds of behavior nonetheless, because it consequently creates the devaluation of men and overvaluation of women.

This

I hate fucking normies and cunt telling us its about personality but even when you act like a regular dude, no one wants to talk to you cause you're ugly as hell and they keep sugarcoating with personality and blame you for shit.

*But I still DISlike these kinds of behaviors
Correction

This, all i ever want is for people to recognize that and leave us alone.

That's the just world fallacy. Normies live off fallacies.

>wombmen
hope this wasn't a typo

Why do incels always need to tell us how much they don't care about women?

Who exactly on this thread is doing this?

All we want is just to be left alone, that's literally it.
Why do roasties and normies feel the need to bully us all the time when we have done nothing to them?

>No, I just hate wasting my time.
>is on Jow Forums

>there is a 95% chance of wasting my time and being the butt of her thirsty beta male jokes I'd rather pass.
>n-not scared, just hate wasting my time! let me waste time telling you all about how much i hate wasting time on the jakartan urine drinking forums!

kek

I ignored a woman today, after she said hello and preceding to attempt conversation.

Fuck women

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It's just how it is, normal people hate non-normal people, they will always hate you for having the problem instead of trying to support you. I don't understand why normies hate virgins so much instead of trying to help them out or try to get them laid? Shit would solve so many problems.

>I don't understand why normies hate virgins so much instead of trying to help them out or try to get them laid?
I don't want to get helped I just want to be left alone.

Oh then just ignore normies I guess, you'll be fine dude, don't worry about them.

He's right. Asking women out is wasting time, Jow Forums is at least enjoyable sometimes and has no downsides.

wasting time. bro... you're on Jow Forums

at this point you're just defending bad habits

Let him be. He's simply doing what he wants instead of what it's expected of him.
He's hurting not hurting anyone with his actions (or lack of it). What's the deal?

So be it.
It's terrible, but it's not like that we didn't start to die long ago.

Its a difference. Jow Forums is a waste of time with no risk, chasing woman is a waste of time with risk. I could ask out a local girl, get rejected, now every time she sees me she whispers to her friend "ew that boy try to talk to me lol". Now I'm the thirsty rapist guy who preys on woman rather than the aloof nobody that just comes and gos.

I'd rather not bother someone I have no business with and get labeled a potential rapist or someshit.

yeah its really weird because you're literally just asking for sex. That's why approaching first is such a vulnerable position to be in, you're letting her know that you want to lick her ass and put your cock down her throat.

LE BASED AS F.

You'll die alone anyway after Karen dumps you.

And also lose most of his properties, and pay alimony so she can stay useless for the rest of her life.