Why do so many women want to be career women?

>Why do so many women want to be career women?
Probably the same reason as men, they want money.

I'm a man. I'd rather be with a woman who has a job for a few reasons. First it's more income, second because I don't want to be the only thing she's got going on, I like to have space. Mostly it's because I would want to be with someone I consider an equal, not just a mooch who sucks my dick and cleans my house.
Also it wouldn't bother me if she makes more money, I don't understand why people care about that kind of shit.

Gender relations are probably the worst they have been for decades if not centuries. This is largely due to womens distrust of men and mens hostility towards women who no longer have to obey them.

Many modern men insist they would not cheat and have affairs if women were willing to be more trad and wifely, but we know that people have been cheating and having affairs since forever so that is an overly simplistic and disingenuous argument.

Women also argue that they would be more willing to be trad and wifely is men did not lie and cheat as much.

Basically trust and mutual respect has broken down between men and women, thats why we are seeing the rise of cat ladies and bugmen manchildren. Marriage has always been an intrinsic part of growing up in all cultures but in the west it is now optional, and more people are opting out than ever due to the reasons I described.

Its a chicken vs egg thing.

I am happy to earn my own money. And even more money than my bf. I would hate being financially dependant and thus carrying the risk of the partnership/marriage.
The "problem" is traditional role models that made people unhappy for centuries (while providing some guideline for the mentally weak) now fail to work. Just accept people as people, without the whole dumb dominance bullshit. Means: don't look for a dependant, submissive bimbo gf and as a woman don't look for an aggressive, patronizing asshole bf just because TV told you this is what "attractive" is.
If we start focussing more on the people and their individual virtues, we focus less on dumb memes like "alpha" or "provider" etc.
Which will also lower the rate of male suicide or mental health issues, since men then are allowed to express feelings and accept help.

Women also argue that they would be more willing to be trad and wifely IF men did not lie and cheat as much*

"No because they were too busy cooking dinner, washing clothes and raising children. Its a fulltime job."

What if you don't have children? I work 9 hours, five days a week. There's no way it would take 9 hours to fully clean my apartment and make it spotless, and that's it you started out of the blue from scratch. If someone's "job" was to upkeep it each day, there couldn't be more than an hour of work max each day. You don't need to do laundry every single day either, and washing dishes takes 20 minutes tops, I have a dishwasher too so even that isn't ne-

Wait I don't need to argue this with you. I live alone. I do all my own housework and cleaning and I work full time and I s not hint crazy, difficult, or special. If you cut this in half it would literally be cake.

Are you sexually submissive/do you get off to cuckshit, small penis humiliation, etc?

Again, it's an honest question. I genuinely don't care what you get off to.

>Why are career women so completely emasculating?

kek what kind of easily intimidating beta fag are you?

I like women who can lift their own weight monetary wise speaking.
I'm a practical guy and if I end up having children with that woman and for some reason die or become a vegetable I feel more confident that a somewhat productive woman could survive that when compared to some Barbie.
I also like a woman that can keep up with the stuff I'm interested in which happens to almost directly translate to "being economically self sufficient".
I guess that makes me a feminist and a cuck from this boards perspective, but who cares. It's fun to discuss engineering problems as pillow talk desu.

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Nah, not really, I just don't like boring people. I've noticed that r9ks idea of a perfect woman always seems to be a droning, soulless fuckwit. If she isn't interesting enough to spend time with without fucking her, then I might as well stick to porn.

OP here. To clarify, I'm not talking about the a part time job or something simple like a secretary or waitress or whatever. There's nothing wrong with a chick making some extra cash on the side to help out. I'm talking about 4+year degree, 40+ hour a week, actual career women.

And being interesting means having a job?

Now you are just changing the goalposts. A household without children is not a household at all user. Raising a child is a lot of work and stressful and the sleep deprivation coupled with doing added tasks on top of caring for an infant is exhausting.

I think it's today's society pressure that makes women think that they need impressive degrees and good jobs, because otherwise your survival will be endangered. Expecting to find a partner who will partly support you is a risky idea observing how rare trusting connections are.

I'm dating one and really enjoy that.
I really don't get the appeal of an uneducated, possibly obnoxiously dense stacy, but whatever floats your boat man.

I expected this stock response, but this type of shit is the reason it's so hard to have an open, honest discussion about this. It's way too easy for anyone who brings it up to just be laughed at, insulted, and immediately forgotten.

I don't think I'm alone in this, I don't even think I'm a small minority. A lot of men feel this way I'd wager, and before you say just boo hoo cry about it, it absolutely effects women too. I don't have them on hand but I know eventually some user will come in here with images and infographs and shit that show that women with BA degrees and up are having a hard time finding anyone to marry and how nobody wants them and stuff and how it makes them miserable. Normally when we see that stuff we just laugh at them but, in the his case, it is a clear way to show this isn't just negatively effecting men.

I hope you guys appreciate my lack of animosity in this thread.

women have been brain washed to pursue a career instead of having children and being house workers. to destroy western civilization. the most important part is destroying the family unit. telling women to get a job puts more money into the governments pockets through more taxes.

Or tehy want the degrees and the jobs for the same reason as men do (aside of being more attractive): To be successful and to be proud about their accomplishments. To be useful, to change the world, to have an impact. To contribute to science.
It was never a "I have to" for me, but a "i WANT to".

I don't want to have children and I never plan on it, so the very second children are involved in the discussion I don't care anymore and it will never be relevant to my life.

Whatever you say. Majority of career women I met were simply afraid of being broke and helpless. A lot of them also have children from a father that left them.

I have a question. What role do you want a man to provide in your life anyways? We can't protect you anymore, the government and guns do that now. (don't turn this into a Jow Forums thing, you know what I mean. It's clearly not like it was for 99% of human history). We don't have a real role as providers anymore either.

What is there left? I'm confused. Are we just supposed to be fun and entertaining?

Female capitalism, just like black capitalism, just like ALL capitalism is a toxic ideological rot that has eroded female identity.

Erase capitalism.

I don't understand this desire, it's alien to me. My job doesn't mean dick to me and it's not an indication of my passion, personality, etc. It's just something I do to make money. It's just some meaningless bullshit I do to keep the government off of my back and leave me alone so I can buy food and pay bills and stuff. It's not some magical meaningful personal journey.

Important point you've got there:
Trust. The important aspect of it is that one becomes vulnerable to the other, so historically speaking that would be the woman because she can't support herself if her man decides to break up. So per default men have more power in the relationship. Chicks are just leveling the because once they're somewhat economically capable they can consider breaking up with a shitty partner - a choice that has always been there for guys. Yes, that moves the power balance away from the guys, but if you treat your partner right things just might work out after all - non?
>If the safety of your relationship depends on economical blackmail you're a piece of shit who doesn't deserve a partner anyways
>I'm

>Why do so many women want to be career women?
The push since the 1990's for women to be self-sufficient individuals instead of tied to a spouse.
>Why are career women so completely unattractive and emasculating?
Because many careers are fairly male dominated fields and women feel they must grow a pair of balls in order to make it. This develops into a permanent attitude since they spend most of their waking hours in that mentality.

It often extends to that they cannot help but see the projection of their coworkers onto unassociated males.

>Is it even wrong for people to feel that way or does it make sense?
It's not wrong because of our societal expectations of women and most men's wants in a woman.

>What are we even supposed to do now as men?
Help to generate a work environment which would be accommodating to both men and women. Encourage women to make choices based on their own wants and goals instead of what society tells them. If the woman wants a hard earned career than support her decision. If the woman wants to be a house wife than support her decision.

With a more accommodating work environment women won't feel the need to grow a set of balls as a way to make it in a male dominated work place. With encouragement and perpetuation of the idea of true choice you'd find that women will be more honest in their life choices and will be happier and thus more agreeable with the choice they made.

Men also need to adjust their view and expectations of women. Many women do not want to be the barefoot and pregnant house wife who has to consort with her husband on everything because she's incapable of making her own decisions. Women want to be their own people and often feel they aren't allowed to.

I'm a male anthropologist by the way

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I would really like to be a househusband so they're quite appealing to me.

So because men's tiny egos will feel threatened by educated and successful women, women should stop pursueing careers? How about men just learning to value themselves for more than career stuff? Why do I have to give up on my dreams and aspirations just because men can't cope with their insecurities?
You do realize that you are basically asking for women to sacrifice their goals in life so you don't feel threatened by them actually achieving them?
I know you mean no harm. You seem like a good person. But you really suffer from the delusion that I am some sort of commodity that can be assigned to the position that suits you best.

I don't think career women are unattractive or emasculating, in fact it's more appealing if a woman can provide supplementary income. But I don't really care either. It's something that's irrelevant.

You can just go to the six figure salary job and pick it up. It's time to start working on yourself if you can't. (Not that a six figure salary will get you a woman unless you're Chad)

Read as "I'm really really lazy, will never clean, cook, get groceries or take care of the children because #fuucking wwwaaaagecuuucks# but as long as you put tendies in my room and pay all of my bills I will generously pump you full up cum with my rock hard two and a half inch magic rod."

Nice projection there buddy, obviously I would do all the house chores, otherwise I would call it NEET bf instead of househusband.

And you say considering this boards demographic that was a bad guess?

Who the fuck cares what 3D femoids want, can't we discuss Samus' feet instead?

r9k really isn't a hivemind, so yeah it's a pretty bad guess.

Tell me a board of Jow Forums with a higher concentration of NEETs.

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Thank you for the polite, helpful, and introspective post.

I'm not sure if you realized it or not but your response to me was to just tell me to cope and call me insecure which has genuinely become a meme now because people are so sick of hearing it. I'll try to answer you though.

I don't think it's a simple matter of insecurity, I think it's a feeling of lacking purpose, if that makes sense? If you can't protect or provide for a woman anymore, what do you even need me for? What do you need any of us for? If your answer is "nothing", than that's kind of the issue I'm trying to puzzle out here.

I'm not saying you need to stop pursuing your goals, not everyone needs to be compatible with everyone else, you can do whatever you like. It's not really an "individual" problem. None of this is. I only think it's a problem when it's starting to affect over 20% of the population, which in my opinion is significant. Studies are showing about 1 in 5 women can't find a partner and roughly 1 in 3 men. That was just one sample and one study, and I can't site it right now sadly (I'm phone posting from work, this thread was a spur of the moment idea mostly because work is boring and it gives me things to ponder), but I think it's clear the relationship between genders is falling apart now and probably will only get worse overtime.

If a large amount of women want to do something that will cause a large amount of men to instantly disregard them, something needs to change. But what? Us? You? How? How would this even be done? It would take decades of solidarity. It's easy to just tell billions of men to just "cope" but at the end of the day the problem isn't solved, or even really addressed. If anything it's just going to make people angrier if you mock and belittle them.

>Reeeee give me more free shit reeeee

I hate relationships as much as the next person does but why the fuck do you care?

If they're just going for a career then how is that affecting you in the slightest? I'm a guy by the way.

>Why do so many women want to be career women?
Because most families can't be sustained with one person working since ww1. Wages went down and more people joined the labor force.

>Why are career women so completely unattractive and emasculating?
Really depends on the individual I personally prefer smart women I want someone I can talk to about a wide variety of subjects

>Is it even wrong for people to feel that way or does it make sense?
It does make sense but everyone's different op

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because relying on a boy is way too dangerous
if you're an ugly female it's even more dangerous, no matter how hot your body is, you're still ugly. boys are really dangerous, you should never ever give up your power to one. you get burned in the end. suicide is the best option for women, not their own career, they should kill themselves

I think the reason people are mocking and belittling men is because after nearly 60 years of women steadily entering the work force and career fields in ever increasing numbers, men's view on women has barely changed in the slightest. I can understand them finally having reached a point where the extremely slow rate of change compared to most other cultural aspects of life is childish. We mock and belittle childish things and that's the point of it.

Men's role in a woman's life is not only protection and provision. Looking at it like that is like looking at sex as a form of domination. It's outdated and narrow minded. Men provide love, affection, validation, children, support, and social status. Men need to learn that they're there for much more than being a piggy bank and shield. They're had more than half a century to start getting comfortable with that idea and simply haven't.

How society needs to change is hilariously obvious and has been the topic of serious discussion for decades with women putting in the largest share of work and men simply chuckling to themselves and agreeing to small concessions every so often to make women happy and shut up for a while.

Now, I will say that it isn't ENTIRELY men's fault. Women are demanding that seriously commit to a cultural change while almost only rewarding the men who don't change. This sends a mixed message and the one that men receive, since we like to simplify things, is to not change and only pretend to on a surface level. They also want to be treated equally while also demanding to be more equal than others. Women need to change their expectations of men in the same way that men need to change their expectations of women. It's a two way street and each gender is drunkenly swerving from lane to lane.

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It's feminism and the Juice
I'm a woman

>guys don't pay anymore
Because women work and have money now so it's fair for them to pay too you dumb hopefully baiting fucktard

>Why do so many women want to be career women?
>They got shilled into it by Shlomo and femnazis
Unironically this. Women are brainwashed early and shamed if they are "just a housewife" or similar.

Women have their own money now and often date men of similar socio-economic status. This means both people make roughly similar incomes. Men paying was part of the proving process that they were capable providers because women either had no money or very little money in comparison.

Infidelity is also up with both genders. The fluid nature of relationships means that people are more willing to cheat and the tacit acceptance of infidelity within peer groups means that people are more willing to do it than not. There's also the fact that both parties are almost always convinced the other is cheating so thus, they are more willing to cheat themselves under the erroneous belief they are evening things out.

By the time you have a child with someone, you should've known what type of man they are. Them leaving is almost entirely on the woman for choosing a man who'd so easily abandon both their own off spring and the mother of their child. That's basic decision making skills.
>But what about accidental children
Birth control is so readily available and ubiquitous I never understand how this happens other than a total condom breakage which is surprisingly uncommon and is something a guy can easily feel happen.

>tfw no wealthy wife that works jobs while i'm a house husband
I'd take care of the children and please her with a good dinner and cunnilingus everyday when she gets home from work

Because men like money and power so women think that men like the same things

Just like men love getting pussy pics so they send dick picks to women.

Neither strategies work

99.99999% of people will never contribute anything to science

I don't know what kind of psychosis you have

They largely got pushed into it.

>men's view on women has barely changed in the slightest.
There's no reason for it to change either, since men aren't the ones who went off the rails. A woman having a good jerb won't make her substantially more attractive like it will for a man. Although it could be argued that incels et al and hookups are examples of mens views of women changing in response, I doubt most revere women. But I suppose that's not the kind of change people (female lobbyists) want, i.e roll over, be a cuck, let women lead you around, etc.