2018

>provide transparency
Then why isn't it open source?

(You) me when they remove spotlight uploading all your internal search info

Because they're running a business. Anyone is free to fork *BSD and integrate their software with hardware better than Apple does.

>they're the only big computer player from that era that's still around
>HP
>Dell
>Microsoft
>Intel
>AMD
>basically almost all PC clone makers
Hurr durr. When IBM PC clones took over and became the low-priced "runs yer shit" standard, the overpriced and incompatible shit died out. Apple is only relevant now because of the iPod and in turn the iPhone. Guess what a modern Mac is? Another IBM PC clone.

I love how it started around the same time we started getting (((management features))) in consumer hardware

I have one. Useless piece of shit.
Because of that I'm ramlet, drivelet. The good thing is that I still have usbs.

I'm not saying they can't keep their source code to themselves, I'm saying that if they were actually committed to transparency they would be open source.

And epic games are not running a business?
How come they can release their engine open-source then?
What about id software?

What’s her name again?

To be fair, those companies make their money from licensing the engines and taking a percentage of game sales, Apple's business is entirely dependent on using the software as incentive to buy the hardware. Being able to fork the software for free and run it without the overpriced hardware would kill their sales.

"Coke Can" Dan "Come Inside Her" Schneider.

But you're not authorized to fork and redistribute UE4 for free. Apple could do exactly the same thing. Apple already takes a % of app sales as is on its platform, so that point is surely comparable.

korbo

Apple still collects far less private data than any of the other companies in that slide, and they are always striving to harden their devices and services as much as they reasonably can without putting too much of a burden on the end-user. They seriously don't want your personal details; they just want to sell widgets.

Here it tells you exactly what currently is and isn't end-to-end encrypted on iCloud: support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303. In addition, you have the option of protecting sensitive Notes with an extra password, the stock Mail client supports S/MIME encryption, and soon your iMessage backup will also be E2EE.

Of all the tech giants, Apple is the one most closely aligned with consumers.

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You think the Chinese give a shit what an overseas company tells them they can and cannot do with the source code they've been given?

Again, hardware sales. Their business model depends on selling a Core M netbook for $2000 because of that software.

Even worse, port agua to Linux. (GNU is already ported)

You think source code for proprietary shit doesn't leak all the time?

But hackintosh is already a thing so opening the source would not change anything except give them a massive market share increase.

>Apple still collects far less private data than any of the other companies in that slide
You have an astonishing amount of sources to for that cite. Also, how exactly can you prove which amount of data is encrypted (forget it being collected is bad enough)? Some code has to be open source.
>They seriously don't want your personal details; they just want to sell widgets.
Apple may as well not, but the NSA does.

Sure, but it's rarely the entire source, and even then it's only a single version.

If they forked from that one version (say the PPC build of Tiger circa 2004), it would be very difficult to maintain compatibility with software made to run only on future versions of the official OS -- it would effectively become the bastard child of an ancient macOS release -- not to mention that the continued development of the fork would require a level of organization and visibility that would inevitably be caught and shut down.

Apple only tolerates Hackintoshes as long as they remain a noncommercial hobby. Opening up all of iOS on a continued basis (under whatever terms) would create a thousand Chinese iPhone clone makers overnight that Apple would be powerless to stop without closing it up again.

Look, if you really want to get down to that level of paranoia, then you have to go full Stallman and run Trisquel on your Lemote running coreboot or whatever. Are you doing that right now, or are you a hypocrite?

Why would this be any different than the current situation? Chinese clones already exist, with or without source. Also ios != osx.

There are no iPhone clones that run iOS, only Android phones made to look like an iPhone.

Why would I want to own a mac?

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>Also ios != osx.

My point was that Hacktinosh is only possible because macOS has been running on commodity x86 processors for the past decade or so. Over the past year, starting with the 2016 MBPs, Apple has been incorporating more proprietary ARM-based chips in new Mac models as hardware controllers and secure enclaves; it's only a matter of time before Hackintosh is no longer feasible, just like iPhone clones are unfeasible today due to all the proprietary Apple hardware inside.

See? There is no real way to prove Apple is any better than other companies participating in the PRISM project. It's not even worth considering.

Apple doesn't permit Hackintosh, I think they tolerate it so they can bolster their market share but it isn't something they'll support. You need to take off your Stallman cap and put on your jew cap, from a business standpoint charging more for hardware by using a trendy OS as a selling point is far more profitable than selling licenses for the software.

Just because their products don't conform to your militant Stallmanite philosophy doesn't mean they're in the same category as Facebook or Google.

One look at the difference in their business models should be enough.

Can you prove with any kind of certainty that you're not being data mined on macos?

>I think they tolerate it so they can bolster their market share

You are seriously overestimating the niche community of geeks who even bother to get macOS to run on beige-box systems.

Can you prove with any kind of certainty that your Linux distro isn't compromised?

Is absolutely every part of the distro open-source? Did you inspect the entire source yourself?

Did you compile everything yourself?

Did you inspect the entire source of the toolchain used to compile it?

Did you inspect the firmware source?

Did you go over the hardware schematics?

yeah, just like those bullshit stories about the fbi not being able to crack the San Bernardino shooter's iphone
just marketing

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>TOP SECRET

lmao you losers believe anything posted here as long as it's in a picture

Except it's real.

I s-s-swear guise m-m-muh lizard people

You're an idiot

It's from Snowden. And the American government seems to think it's pretty real.

i-i-it's real guise muh tower seven

>they tolerate it
no one fucking bothers with hackintosh shit in 2018 so why the fuck would they bother doing anything about it? I sincerely doubt it changes anything about how they handle hardware/software considerations

Thank you. Apple is lying.

>haha i'm smarter than the world

Your such a fucking retard. Pretty much everyone has confirmed it by now. The secret service itself. Journalists. The American government. Foreign governments. There are law suits about it from universities and the press.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

You're pretty much the most ignorant person on earth right now.

>Snowden
/b/tard who spent too much time photoshopping some slides to scare newfags.
>The secret service itself. Journalists. The American government. Foreign governments.
All his Steam buddies in on the troll.

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May as well ask in this thread.

Recently China was able to get iCloud and all their shit working in China since they have servers there now.

What happens if you have a North American iCloud account, but are in China? Can you access your shit? Which country is collecting my information?

Not to mention android of course, which is opensource and doesn't bankrupt google.

So what if it's been confirmed?

Lets be blunt, who gives a shit if the fbi can see your anime porn videos?

Sometimes we occupy ourselves with things that seem important but in the scheme of things are just timesinks.

"I use leenux cuz i curr about my freedom" and what has toenail chomping guy got for it? What a waste of life, obsessing over free as in freedom and free as in beer.

Imagine if he'd put his autism to use on something of actual importance, instead of what browser you use, and fuckin emacs.

Technically couldn't you monitor what packets are being sent and where?

>Own a 2015 MBP 13" for work and on-the-go
>Custom rig at home with Windows/Linux
>Sync between all my clients with a Nextcloud self hosted server
>All run through a VPN and use as much FOSS software as is possible
>Went through and disabled as much telemetry as I can
>Deleted all my social media accounts and only save cookies/site data from a few sites

Living the life, Jow Forums. I'm confident in Apple.

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Software that does that will have to run on top of the OS, which can hide anything from its software. The only way to do it is to monitor with a 3rd party device (e.g. your router) but there are many ways to masquerade traffic (for example only sending in someone's info when they try to connect to some apple service, regardless of if you notify them this is happening). You can never tell WHAT's being sent when it's encrypted.

>doesn't bankrupt google
Almost as if they make their money from something else.

Such as..........
>retard

Information Apple can use for absolutely everything ("non-personal"):
> occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, referrer URL, location, and the time zone
> customer activities on our website, iCloud services, our iTunes Store, App Store, Mac App Store, App Store for Apple TV and iBooks Stores and from our other products and services (aggregated)
> details of how you use our services, including search queries (can apparently be used individually but lel, it will "not be associated with your IP address")

Don't worry, they can also use the remaining private information:
> We may also disclose information about you if we determine that for purposes of national security, law enforcement, or other issues of public importance, disclosure is necessary or appropriate. (I get the legal compliance, but "issues of public importance, necessary or appropriate" is a joke)
> in the event of a reorganization, merger, or sale we may transfer any and all personal information we collect to the relevant third party (wow, they can just sell it all as long as it's a "sale", "reorganization" or "merger"!)

This, again, isn't all that Apple says it can do with your privacy that it oh-so deeply values.

It's merely the short rundown on a bunch of obviously bad excepts from main privacy policy. apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

Apple & Tim Cook are full of shit.

Basically, all it says is "don't use the same IP / email address for both your legitimate and shady activity." Any moron would know that.

The point still stands that Apple is the outlier among all the other companies whose entire business depends on building a precise microtargeted profile from every minute personal detail about you that they're able to get. False equivalence is not an argument.

An iToddler has defended this.

Also, Apple has never and never will give a single fucking shit about user privacy. They even spied on iDiots harder than any other corporation, and the only reason they gave up the ads business was because they were shit at it.

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Not to forget the fbi phone unlock fiasco and similar info release from apple to authorities, abject displays of the extent of their spying and lack of security.

>What a waste of life, obsessing over free as in freedom and free as in beer.

Dude spends his retirement travelling the world doing tourist stuff and occasionally giving of the same 3 speeches because there are people who want to hear him.

theverge.com/2018/2/26/17053496/apple-google-cloud-platform-icloud-confirmation

>Also, Apple has never and never will give a single fucking shit about user privacy.
This.
Really shows in how much effort they put into securing user data.
We're on fappening wave 20 or some shit at this point.

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>Anything Apple
The botnet is strong.

iCloud uses Google servers

you dont know the source of this you fucking idiot.

Not to defend those Apple faggots, but it's incredibly difficult to resist the government's attempts to get data from you as a business entity once they invoke the Patriot Act. Even if you want to whistleblow the fuck out of them, they can simply obtain a gag order from the court and make it impossible for you to do so.

If you recall, Lavabit chose to shutter its business rather than hand over its records -- and that's just for a simple criminal warrant that had nothing to do with national security.

Having said that, I find it hilarious that Micro$hit was the first to be onboard the surveillance train like the motherfucking cucks they are.

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>t. apple faggot

Well yeah. Because we have plenty of examples of iPhones being willfully unlocked by Apple.

i don't have the pasta but apple was caught selling user data or was it apple china or something
it's all just PR

I have never in my life owned any Apple products, and that will continue until the day I die, or they make a hoverboard

t. CIA

A company as large as Apple can afford to violate a gag order and share any secret letters openly via Twitter. Literally what is the government going to do, arrest the CEO? Fine them? They'd be forced to take them to court with their pants down, and what they asked them to do (warrantless wiretaps) is a violation of US law under the constitution.

I once used a mac, I felt so underpowered, never again

You can do all of these things on Linux. You can't do any of these things with MacOS or the hardware it runs on.

Your argument is invalid.

> Lets be blunt, who gives a shit if the fbi can see your anime porn videos?
I do.

The majority of users on this board do (and I don't mean the ledditors, either).

The EFF does, along with dozens of other privacy advocacy organizations.

Several countries that aren't part of the fourteen eyes that get their shit spied on.

And yeah, it is important. ESPECIALLY in the scheme of things.

Hell, FaceBook is getting sued because of user data. As much as you and other no-information fucks would shill it as false, people's data IS important.