Enjoy StackOverflow while you can

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I agree with Marcel in the comments. It sounds like users, as is common, get way too invested in point systems. I'm inclined to think that every other complaint about quality and perceived elitism is just how they're couching feelings about rep power dynamics.

Debian creator's name was Ian as well and he killed himself after being "raped" by female police officers.

that text body in his tweet there isn't wrong. didn't read the link you posted.

KEK
what a bunch of fucking faggots. also checked
He said nigger when he was drunk user after he felt he got violated by the police. Then he got the whole sjw crowd on him and killed him self. He had issues before this.

jonskeet is crazy at that shit, I actually stopped using stack that way I guess 3 years ago or so. Used it alot from 09ish till then, found my self using too much time there so I stopped. Now I just google and end up there for solutions but I never write. Well bing actually

Yeah I don't really care much. Debian sucks and this guy having the name Ian just made me remember that other Ian's I read about are fucking faggots.

Toxic masculinity, no it is autism overload. Fucking autists are the worst.

I was watching that shit as it happened, felt really bad for the guy. SJWism actually kills.
>some guy said nigger on the internet
>everyone get him
>oh.. he killed him self.. uhm
>#PrayForIanMurphy
cancer

StackOverflow is legit retarded sometimes. The JQuery meme demonstrates that pretty well. Anyways what the fuck do they mean with "toxic masculinity"? I mostly agree that rating systems are silly, but sometimes it is great to see wrong or bad answers get downvoted heavily.

I dunno how it is now, but one thing is as since forever, people are chasing points and badges.

I remember whatever you posted, people will throw them selves over it and edit your text, just to get some god damn point and a badge. That is regardless off how you have written oh no lets. uhm move this there and that there.

Then 2 mins later, another guy comes and moves it back where it was, rinse and repeat. It's too stupid

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In other words, it's become like Jow Forums, except with the aesthetics of Jow Forums. I can see how that's depressing.

In other words, it's become like Jow Forums, except with the aesthetics of Jow Forums.
I can see how that's depressing.
>yes points!

I can see how that's depressing. In other words, it's become like Jow Forums, except with the aesthetics of Jow Forums.

They need to grow a pair. I only ask shit on /dpt/ because of the toxicity.

>that text body in his tweet there isn't wrong.
but he is, people cant seem to grasp the fact that SO is a faq site of a superior tier and they want to turn it into reddit 2.0, in that twitter thread there are people asking for SO to be more lighthearted, that your reputation should take into consideration your attitude whatever that means, that you shouldnt be downvoted if you "show your feelings", that it's not "fun" anymore, and so on.

it's not for stupid "I have graduated a two week codecamp" manchildren, what the fuck is wrong with that?

>didn't read the link you posted.
archive.is/CPk2N

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these faggots should just get off the internet

Fuck this toxic meme shit. I just hope it dies and nothing replaces it.
Stop copying and pasting garbage from there to make up for your lack of an education. Open a book and read.

Yea, it's bad. People are very confrontational and suffer from a superiority complex. Not to mention it's excessively moderated.

Distros like Arch and Gentoo that separate the wheat from the chaff will be the most immune to this sort of trite bullshit.

>It sounds like users, as is common, get way too invested in point systems.
while I don't disagree, this happens even in communities without fake internet points. Just look at wikipedia's obnoxious cabal of editors.

>fake internet points
user those are real, take it back right now.

Stack Overflow being cancer isn't exactly news. You're better off just using man pages and books.

Based Marcel. The entire purpose of imaginary internet points is to highlight the most agreed upon response (which correlates with best). Werks for me. It turns into a mess with badges and crap.

Just imagine what you can do with all those points!

hey! I earned those point fair and square
Do you how much time I have used there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

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based eat shit poster

same exact thing happened to some porn star not too long ago that said something about gay dudes which got sjws all up in a bunch. Except the sjws doubled down on celebrating her death in that case:
youtu.be/SPI9Mk17OAs

I'll PM you the solution

yeah I got that part too.
>I don't want to have sex with homosexual actors
>WHAT! HOW DARE YOU!
>I just don't want to
>REEEEEEE HOMOPHOBE
it's sick

>sjws are now objecting to people not consenting to sex
>all while whining about rape culture
I don't even

it's almost having users circlejerk over internet points is a bad idea

I don't see how SO could survive for another decade. Either way you look at it, there will always be sensitive people and those with superiority complex which is encouraged by the points / upboat / karma system or whatever. The site sounds good in theory, but in practice reasonable people never actually post anything there, they just google for the answers, mostly because almost everything you need has already been asked and answered. It's just pointless. What is left is just circlejerk and e-peen.

>arch
No. Arch's forums are cancer. Great documentation etc etc, I use it myself on desktop, but its not even close to noob-prone
Everyone and their mother (literally youtube.com/watch?v=6Dfs740dONI) can install it following the wiki.
Gentoo and LFS is as safe as you can get, linux wise

it's an overly elitist crowd though. i agree with you it shouldn't be turned into plebbit or a safe space for mentally ill people that want to be part of the group without doing any of the work.

but try to ask a legitimate question on that site that hasn't been asked before and you're lucky if you get a single reply or some snarky asshole you links to another thread that has nothing to do with your question. the problem with that site is you have a handful of very knowledgeable people and thousands of lemmings cheering on their particular beau. but that's the nature of online communities that aren't anonymous.

It ain't like he's wrong. Compare Stack Overflow to the Mathematics Stack Exchange. Programmers are just shitty people. That's why we became programmers.

That is why I use Jow Forums Jow Forums. Nobody is trying to proof something. (Only faggets, but they are easy to ignore)

>which correlates with best
No, it correlates with "good enough", the 'best' stuff in a lot of areas is often quite obscure. Also, "correlation" isn't good enough to justify encouraging herd mentality anyway. There's a reason most countries aren't direct democracies.

I don't see how these problems are unique to stackoverflow. Back in my day this was the entire fucking internet.

The people who hate programmers most are other programmers. The entire industry is adversarial and vindictive.

>toxic masculinity

it's cuz the meme fucking coins they get
that's why I never answered 1 question there
if you spell shit wrong, don't link shit, say 1 thing not perfect you DO get lectured

so why fucking answer at all.

>my body my rules!
>some porn star doesn't want to have sex with faggot!
>get her!
>oh she killed herself... andtgatisgood.png
their cognitive disonance is amazing

Why would any woman have sex with a gay dude?

I've wondered for years why anyone would have slept with Ron Jeremy. Hairy little Jewish midget. He is the real life incarnation of those "with jews you lose" cartoons. And women slept with the sweaty greasy fuck.

But for money, women will do a lot of degrading shit I guess.

The tech culture problem is rooted in the fact that there is one correct interpretation of "right" and "wrong" in programming. You can do shit wrong, or you can do it right. It's not like social or political or cultural things where you can go down the interpretation rabbit hole for paragraphs. In science, you are wrong, or you are right. It is that raw truth that has these people upset. It's most likely that they were wrong. And they got lectured by autists. Autists who were right.

Good, leave Stack Overflow. Leave society, even, if you cannot handle being discriminated against by the words you use. It is a fundamental part of our society to note right from wrong, and if you're offended, too bad.

You don't just get to commit to the Linux kernel because you have a great resume or CSS skills. You need to be right about everything that you do. And once you get there, you will exude a whole lot of this "toxic masculinity." Live by the sword, die by the sword.

>I've wondered for years why anyone would have slept with Ron Jeremy.

Because he has a dick big enough that he can suck himself off while sitting in a chair. Women would want to fuck him regardless of money.

You're missing the mark about Ron. He was probably sexy in the sense that women found attractive. You should look up Patrice O'neal and listen to Bill Burr talk about him. He's fat, bad teeth, pretty ugly, but he talks a mean game, and even women who initial find him repulsive are turned on by his aggressive confidence.

Ron Jeremy probably had something more to him than "hairy little jewish midget", and you'd do well to admit that to yourself, user.

reeee

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>Oldfags realise they are oldfags
>No it's the kids who are wrong
Why is introspection fucking hard for this people?

Lol that's funny "toxic masculinity" these what we call the manginas and beta men.

also
>top google result
>tons of upvotes
>tons of comments with solutions
>closed for off topic

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Sounds like you're a bit of a kyke and nigger lover. Bet you've got a big black bull on speed dial to fuck your wife while you watch.

the kids are usually wrong tho
>Discord
>Ubuntu
>Python
>Steam
>Games
>144hz TN
>Intel Management Engine
>Alienware
>Real names
>Pepe

People hate elitist crowds. Because you have to be ELITE to join them. Think you can just piss in the pond with your stupid questions that have been asked before? That are not language specific? That are homework questions? You get shit on. Surprise surprise! You realize you can just become Elite at any time? All you need to do is work your ass off, and that's easier than you think. Wake up at 6am and write code until 11pm. Why aren't you doing that if it's so important to you to join the high ranks of SO? Because you're trash, dude, and so am I, and there's enough trash in the world for you and I to get thrown to the wayside and shut the fuck up about it.

>Ron Jeremy probably had something more to him than "hairy little jewish midget"

He didn't. That was his schtick. He was fucking repulsive, but even he could get laid. It gave the sad bastards jerking off hope.

Webshits aren't programmers.

>proving my point
Have fun oldfag while I will be hanging in the cool kids table.

Dude... come on. What am I even supposed to say to that? You're wrong about Ron Jeremy, that's all there is too it.

>What am I even supposed to say to that?
The fact you didn't deny it says a lot.

Have fun. Feel free to visit when you want to hear about my 15 mile walk up a hill through the snow to get to school.

>In science, you are wrong, or you are right.
That's literally not how science works, retard. There's a reason why science calls things "theories" and "models" instead of "facts" or the outdated notion of "laws".

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Sounds more like he's a hairy little Jewish midget and has taken offence.

Or a big fat nigger with bad teeth who lives in hope.

wait, how is laws outdated?
Newton's laws are still laws.
Astrophysics have plenty of laws that weren't made by Newton.

wow ok this board is pretty toxic too

Go take your HRT pills you fairy faggot fuck.

At least I'm not violently projecting my BBC cuckold fantasies onto internet strangers whose opinions of 1970s pornstars are more than 3 degrees apart from mine

You don't really seem to understand how science works, either. It's true that Science is a methodology, not a mathematics, but I don't know why you think invoking common English connotations to field-specific terminology constitutes an argument.

Still haven't denied it.

Because those observations are not rigorous enough to be deemed permanently unbreakable "laws". Actual laws are the domain of pure mathematics with rigorous proofs.

Empirical observations can be quite reliable, no doubt, but they're unequivocally not the same beast as inherent and inevitable truths that must always hold.

my point is that science has no 'alternative interpretations' of raw data, but good job making yourself feel better.

Neither have you, cuckold fantasy projector.

so Zipf's law is not a law?

Any platform that awards users "points" is fucking cancer.

LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME KYKE AND NIGGER LOVING MODERATORS ON THE Jow Forums BOARD!

It's not "field-specific terminology", it's literally an explanation for why empirical sciences cannot have clear cut definitions of "right"/"wrong", making the original poster's entire premise faulty. The entire scientific process works based on consensus, not black/white distinctions of 'right'/'wrong' as is the case in mathematics, therefore you can't base an entire argument around the assumption that science works this way to eliminate the ambiguity present in another consensus-based system like a Q&A site. The demarcation problem is a clear example of why the original argument is flawed:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarcation_problem

It's not just semantics, you literally can't bring up "right vs wrong" without evoking all the epistemological issues surrounding that framing.

>Toxic masculinity
Can these faggots be more soy? Toxic faggotry in action.

Pajeets are the problem.

>no 'alternative interpretations' of raw data
excuse me? are you seriously that retarded, or was that a really gross typo of some kind? Battling 'interpretations of raw data' is literally what moves scientific progress in every single field.

They were actually right until
>muh toxic masculinity
Also very nice digits.

get em terry

The dopamine feedback system of giving people likes and ratings is what has made the internet toxic. There are those that crave the fake internet points because it gives them validation they don't get elsewhere in their life. And there are those that crave being anti the system, simply for the sake of being anti the system and amassing as much negative feedback as possible.

A means of communication does not need feedback on the quality of the feedback. You don't scream "star" or "thumbs up" when you're on the phone talking to your mates. So why the fuck do you need to do it online? It's a trick to keep you using the service. That Pajeet prick that used to work at Facebook talked about it and how they knew they were programming people.

And people are easily programmed. They crave validation. So even the minimum of feedback on a post or a comment has them celebating. You see it occasionally on Reddit where a post will be about how many upvotes they got, which isn't many, and an animated gif of celebration of some sort. How fucking little do you matter in life that that small amount of validation on the internet makes you feel good about yourself?

That's what's toxic.

Ooooh no where will I go to copypaste code now?

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Is there a rigorous proof of it anywhere? If so, then it is; if not, then it isn't. Even the Riemann Hypothesis isn't "law" worthy yet, and that has a shit ton more empirical 'evidence' supporting it than most other ideas.

Well you can't prove it empirically, it's probability law.
From your standard it sounds to me that only Math and Logic can have laws, everything else can't.

Stackoverflow:

>I'm trying to do X using Y
>I've tried A, B, and C.
>I'm getting [exception]
>Here's my code nicely formatted code

-1 points, 6 views in 24 hours

>How do you find the sum of all integers in an arraylist?

1134 points, 409 favorited, 11000 views in 24 hours, featured on front page

SO was great a long long time ago. It's become a meme.

If I say "I don't employ niggers" people are going to get mad. If I then kill myself because I don't like people telling me I did something wrong, I deserve to have died. If this was a leftist you'd be celebrating.
Who cares? Ian's suicide is sad because all he did was say a bad word on the internet. He didn't say he'd protest the employment of people based on their sexuality. All thots must die.

The old folks were wronger to be honest
>Ww1
>Ww2
>V8 engines
>abandoning gold standard
>nukes
>black plague
>dark ages
>every crusade after 3rd
>siege of Troy
>flint as a weapon first, tool second

I think it's mostly because of kids, college kids and young adults. The same people who shit up video game communities. The younger the user base is the more insufferable it is.
Throwing around the term toxic masculinity is pointless. It's like saying lmao nothing can be done not our fault lol.

Yeah and in the first case someone comments with a link to unrelated shit or just talks about unrelated shit on your code in general. That place has succumbed really hard. Obviously the easy questions are gonna be flooded with internet points loving faggots.

One is doing someone else's job and reviewing his code. Other is a chance to show off for points and has some real world usage in the future for copypasters.

"bro don't fuck august she fucked a black guy." is going to get you to catch some shit
i dont know why hoes think they get to get away with saying fucked up shit that dudes arent getting away with.

SO question popularity definitely follows a bell-curve pattern.

The more "average" your question, the more attention it gets. That is, if your question looks like something out of a MENSA quizbook or SICP, then all the studious poos and chinks that scour the site every day, sock puppeting for their friends, will give it upboats because they'll think its one of their own.

My favorite is "why would you want to do that? you could use my library instead. here is a link ".

It's just spergs being spergs. I'm still waiting for the day that /dpt/ displaces SO to become the premier programming resource for developers on the web.

SO looks popular due to bot activity and the "employee e-peen system". When it was new, there was a mention that the point system would be used to filter prospective candidates.

So, not surprising that all the script kiddies out there opened up hundreds of sock puppets before account verification was a thing and circlejerk with their friends. These are the "java gods" with 100K+ rep for their shitload of stupid questions.

I'll give his wife as piece of my toxic masculinity

Based pete.d
>This is made worse by poor community moderation, in which some of the worst questions, either in terms of presentation or research, get the most up-votes. Ironically, these are most often the questions that the Fastest Gun in the West folks jump on (they are bad questions because they’ve already been answered dozens of times, but they’ve been answered so often because they’re easy to answer). The high number of quick answers means that the question can’t be closed; the people posting answers up-vote the question, and of course the asker up-votes some or all of the answers, producing a false signal of high quality.