As in pic - is light bleed and poor black levels a common problem in all IPS TV panels or just the cheap ones? (under $600) This is a Direct LED IPS panel from an LG 55UJ620V TV.
Apart from OLED, what other panels offer acceptable black levels in dark rooms? Are VA panels any better than this IPS garbage?
Any recommends on a 49-55" TV with picture quality that's worth spending money on? (under $600)
BTW I'm not really into LG, as their products use low quality components. I am more inclined to get a Panasonic, or even a Sony/Samsung, but ultimately have no real preference on any brand.
It's a product of cheaper types of IPS because they use a thinner layer between the LCD and backlight. VA has much better blacks than any IPS, but has less accurate colours and some tonal shifting when viewed at an angle.
Most companies don't actually produce their own display panels, Sony certainly don't. LG is generally regarded as one of the best consumer brands that do, so I wouldn't rely on your own anecdotal experience with cheap models. They're probably all the same at that price point.
Wyatt Hughes
>mfw fell for the ((affordable)) IPS meme w-well, at least the colors are nice
I got a Sharp Gen10 10bit MVA panel in my TV and it's got rich blacks and good color for movies.
Hunter Phillips
>LED IPS >led Found your problem Dumbass.
A-IPS panel witch CCFL no issues here.
Austin Diaz
All IPS monitors have shit tier black levels and contrast. It's inherent to the technology. The best they can manage is ~1000:1 contrast ratio, versus ~6000:1 for VA and infinite for OLED.
Andrew King
>infinite for OLED not really It's insanely high and basically infinite, but not truly infinite.
Alexander Brooks
>All IPS monitors have shit tier black levels and contrast
That isn't true, higher end IPS has no problem displaying reasonably deep black, the glow effect is unique to the budget varieties. VA is better in this respect, but still can't do 'true' black like you get on a CRT or OLED (which still has the enduring problem of outrageously inaccurate colour).
Despite its caveats, IPS remains the best general purpose LCD tech available at the moment.
Nathan Phillips
No, it's the exact opposite, poor blacks have the cheap IPS TVs. Rich whites buy OLED and have no problems.
Oliver Reyes
You're retarded. OLED's pixels turn off when displaying black. That is infinite. It is not possible to have a better contrast ratio than the pixel simply being off.
You're retarded too. Contrast ratio and black levels aren't up for debate. IPS can NOT display "deep" blacks, no matter how "high end" you go. It can't. Simple, measurable fact. Your subjective opinion on the matter is irrelevant. If you want to prove me wrong, you find me some measurements showing an IPS panel with a contrast ratio much better than 1500:1 or measured black levels even remotely close to a VA panel, let alone plasma or OLED. Then we'll talk.
And no, IPS remains only suitable for computer monitors. For TVs, VA is far superior. Only a retard would buy an IPS TV and deal with garbage, greyish black levels for things like movies.
Connor Miller
>OLED's pixels turn off not completely, there's always some incredibly minuscule current flowing through the diode. Since not all diodes are perfectly the same this shows as spots on a black image. Basically imperceptible unless you're in a perfectly dark room and your eyes have adapted to low light. Pic related was taken with some ridiculous ISO and exposition time. Please educate yourself on the subject before calling people retards.
I did say that IPS' blacks are worse than VA, there's no denying it. However, black levels on good panels are acceptable, especially when the TV isn't the only light source in the room. It's definitely more acceptable than VA's colour shift; most people use their TV for watching things with other people, at least IPS gives each of them a vibrant, consistent image.
VA is a middling technology; its one major advantage over IPS shouldn't be taken as a recommendation when it's inferior in every other regard.
I think you need to look at the black uniformity tests as well. Same website.
Gabriel Edwards
Utter bullshit. Feel free to provide a credible source for your claim or fuck off.
>However, black levels on good panels are acceptable
No, they're not. Measurably so. IPS has garbage tier blacks. They look grey and disgusting in a dark room. Again, this isn't up for debate and your subjective opinion is irrelevant. You have been proven factually wrong. Let it go. Let it go, man. Just let it go. Let it go!
>IPS gives each of them a vibrant, consistent image
IPS gives all of them a greyed-out, disgusting image when displaying any darker content.
>VA is a middling technology
And IPS is plain shit. A garbage technology for retards. Its one major advantage of decent viewing angles shouldn't be taken as a recommendation when it's inferior in every other regard. Plus it doesn't even have viewing angles over OLED, making it truly irrelevant.
>Utter bullshit. Feel free to provide a credible source for your claim or fuck off. Other than not owning a single phone with an LCD display ever since Nokia N8 came out? Can't be bothered. Though I'm sure you'll see it after actually owning a few OLED devices.
Matthew Myers
IMO in order for a TV to be acceptable it needs to have a black uniformity of 1.5% or lower. Anything above that looks like pure bloody stool smeared on a lighting panel.
Jacob Miller
I don't even own a TV, so you're not going to catch me by claiming that I'm attached because of through buyer's remorse or something like that.
The fact of the matter is that VA has blacks while IPS has richer colour and viewing angles. I would prioritise the latter. It's also worth noting that VA has no real advantages over OLED, whereas IPS has colour accuracy.
Cameron Wright
tempted to ditch my old soniq but its just too reliable
Ill wait and see if anything better comes after oled
Tyler Perez
>poor blacks >Team Chocolate really makes you think
Angel Allen
VA are only good if you can sit directly in front of the screen at optimal distance. Even at the slightest of angles or too close and it goes to shit. Not really ideal for a typical living room TV set.
Brayden Gonzalez
I'll be sitting at around 10-12 ft away from the screen. (3.5 - 4m)
Bentley Powell
Yes. I had an LG 4k IPS TV and it was a ginormous piece of shit. Returned it for a Sony x900 and never looked back
Gabriel Peterson
IDK T BH
Evan Murphy
Oh wow, would you look at that. Another thread full of VA-shills who have never owned a monitor/tv worth looking at.
There are only three technologies worth looking at (in the dark): CRT, plasma and OLED
>VA are only good if you can sit directly in front of the screen at optimal distance Optimal distance being as far away as fucking possible. For some reason VA-shills are too stupid to understand that shit viewing angles are a problem even if you sit perpendicular to the center of the screen. It might not be a huge problem if you get the 49" and sit at 4m. I don't know why anyone would be happy with that, but whatever. Blacks will still be absolute shit in a dark room.
Nigger, I grew up with a plasma TV and have a CRT that I use right fucking now. My last two phones are oled. My VA Sony is the best looking screen I own
Jaxon Foster
Sony 900 series are unironically the only lcds worth buying
Brody Barnes
Either you are lying, you had garbage plasma and CRTs, or you're a blind nigger. No LCDs are really worth buying.
Joshua Sanchez
Its the truth. Honestly I have a hard time recommending oleds unless you plan on buying a new one every other year
I don't fucking care about deep blacks on a TV I'm watching from distance. As long as the display isn't defective it's pretty much fine. You don't even need a "smart TV" meme. Just get a regular IPS/ LED one, hook it up to halfway decent speakers and a Chromecast or some kind of media server and you're set.
Blake Nguyen
even top of the line qled has vertical backlight banding
lower the back light or something Jesus Christ that's terrible
Brody Roberts
>I don't fucking care about deep blacks on a TV I'm watching from distance Why on earth would the viewing distance matter for black levels unless they're heavily dependent on viewing angles like on (consumer) IPS and VA-panels. "QLED" is a marketing scam anyway.
Caleb Myers
That only applies in basketball.
Charles Williams
it is possible if you use blackhole pixel technology.
I thought IPS works by acting as a shutter for the backlight to allow color to be produced per pixel.
Why don't they just shut the shutter and allow no color to get perfect blacks?
Jayden Foster
How about you go check the test yourself, fucktard? There is no fucking question whether or not you will get noticeable burn-in - only a question of how long until it bothers you too much to use it.
Oliver Lewis
Blacks are overrated.
A TV with similar contrast but righter "blacks" (meaning it's brighter) is actually better.
Your eyes will adjust to the brighter screen and make everything else in your room appear darker. So you get less distractions and thus a more immersive experience.
Kevin Allen
Sure it does, team poop-friend. This is possibly one of the most retarded things I have ever read. If you haven't considered it already, I would strongly recommend that you cease breathing for eternity.
>Utter bullshit. Feel free to provide a credible source for your claim or fuck off. wew lad, this is a well-documented thing, and you can literally see it for yourself by doing what that user posted
that being said, OLED's got absurdly better black levels than damn near everything else shame it's got awful color accuracy
William Bennett
>get triggered >whaaaaa I can't hear your argument when I just call you retarded bwhaaaa!
Maybe ones with direct backlight with local dimming. That's as good as you can get with LCD.
Joshua Campbell
That's a torture test.
Nicholas Murphy
Image retention or burn-in? Also which TV?
Camden Roberts
What cheap shit are you guys buying.
Ethan Rivera
>youtube video by some random retard >comparing pictures of garbage with other garbage It's just a VA-panel with slightly improved blacks due to local dimming which causes a slew of other problems. That's nowhere near close to perfect blacks. Probably still good value though.
>be retarded >continue to be retarded Kys senpai. What would happen if you painted everything black? And tell me, how doesn't all that extra unnecessary light illuminate your room and cause distractions in dark scenes?
>That's a torture test. It is. But it's the best thing out there to gauge how it will fare as a monitor.
The Samsung received a very high score on rtings.com, but as I checked the comment section on Amazon, I saw that people are still complaining about light bleed, so I'm not too sure.
I've come to accept the fact that I won't be getting a perfectly acceptable 50-ish (or larger) TV on this price range. I would very much be happy with getting a 42-46" screen with superior visuals, but due to the distance between my couch and my TV stand (10-12 ft, 3.5-4m) I need to get a large screen to actually see something.
Any thoughts on these two panels?
Aaron Davis
No, ESLbro, poor blacks do not all own cheap IPS TVs.
Camden Moore
i got a dell ultra sharp and it has the same damn issue. i honestly didnt know about ips glow at the time so i was about to return it but i read up on it and knew it is just something we have to live with. I does have a fucking stuck green pixel near the middle of the screen that fucking infuriates me
Blake Hughes
look at this
Kevin Wood
That's not glow fampai. Step away from the monitor, if the problem isn't reduced you have backlight bleed.
Charles White
This is true. I have an Oculus Rift which has OLED panels, in very dark scenes with no external light leaking in you can actually see something which looks like fine dust spots on the image. If the image isn't nearly entirely black though, it looks excellent in terms of black level.
Jace Robinson
most tvs are actually VA panels
Kevin Rivera
>posts image of shitty samsung phone
Look at the black level test on rtings for LG C7 OLED. Pixels actually TURN OFF like they are supposed to.
Noah Perry
Panasonic developed a per pixel light modulated IPS-a panel with >1,000,000:1 contrast but monitor manufacturers continue churning out ChiMei and AUO second rate garbage
Bentley Garcia
Did they ever make a TV with it though?
Noah Peterson
vanta pixels may be the best we can do for terrestrial blacks.
Jose Kelly
>Even at the slightest of angles or too close and it goes to shit. stop speaking in absolutes. your argument would be much better if you said "most" or "cheap" VA panels have bad viewing angles. my samsung VA panel barely blurs when viewed at angles and thats me saying that with an AHVA monitor, which is suppose to exceed at viewing angles, sitting right next to it. IPS and IPS-like monitors are just littered with so many issues that it's almost not worth owning any of them. it's literally a high risk gamble hoping you get an IPS monitor without some sort of color calibration issue or back light bleed.
Asher Long
Buy a good IPS and you don't get issues.
Juan Murphy
I wish I was home so I could test and post my TV.
Jaxson Rogers
>Do all cheap IPS TVs have poor blacks?
ask team chocolate
Oliver Foster
xD
Jordan Howard
I just run the blacklight on mine lower than default. LED monitors are brighter than older generation.
