Can we get a thread on how awesome these devices are? Finally, I can store over 10TB of lolis at my convenience!

Second 2TB WD Red to go bad in 6 months, but I guess 5-6 years isn't too bad for an innings. Replacing failed disks with 4TB HGST now.

This case is fucking garbage.

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that one is probably 4kn native sector
synology still have no listed support for 10 and 12tb 4kn native drives

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These were on Slickdeals yesterday. Pretty good deal...

I promise you it won't be as reliable. That said yes the prices are really damn high.

Synlogoy is cool but overpriced

I build my own nas with:
Ryzen 2200G
32GB RAM
8x8TB +2x 256SSD for VMs

Works great for Plex and VM host.

fuck synology & qnap & etc

you can roll your own system for less and better setup. even a NUC is doing better job.

This. Sure they're easy but a random build is both cheaper and more powerful
I was talking to a buddy who has a Synology NAS and was complaining that his Plex streaming was choppy...Well no shit, a NAS transcoding 1080p video isn't gonna be good at all

Next time complain to him that your blender can't make toast.

I have one of these, I think I got it for £150 and got like £50 cash back on it from HP. It's been perfect as a NAS, have 4 3TB drives in it and got an adapter so I can have an SSD for the OS instead of a useless CD drive.

Honestly it was a bargain.

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Yeah those can be really expensive now. You can resell it for quite the dosh right now.

All this because the Gen10 is complete garbage. HP dropped the ball.

I agree with NAS being useful.

But after 4 drives you're better off using your Linux skills and some cube or mini tower and just build your own cheaper with how much they gouge to get >4 drive "enterprise" storage NAS.

> NAS transcoding
In almost all instances, you want to fix the playback devices (add some $25+ chinese htpc to your TV, use a smartphone more recent than 5 years old, ...) rather than get awesome transcoding abilities from anything to anything on your NAS.

Any recommendations for a compact case for a 6~8 bay setup? I love my box but I fear that I may have to upgrade soon.

>I was talking to a buddy who has a Synology NAS and was complaining that his Plex streaming was choppy.

They shouldn't even advertise it as a feature. No one is gonna have a good time transcoding off a boxed NAS solution.

FD Node 304 or 804, SST DS380B, or if you want to be a posh fag, Lian Li O8S/X

Plus a gazillion midi towers that I don't really feel like listing, use your store's filter perhaps.

>raven ridge for a NAS
shit better double as a HTPC mate

>WD
fantastic, now they can fuck up more of my data at a single time

They won't, because you RAID6 or RAID1 or replicate or whatever on your drive array. Or you can go full storage cloud if you want.

If you don't, you're the idiot to blame. Everyone should know that drives can fail (some low percentage chance per year and drive, maybe 1-2% on most) and no magic vendor label will protect you.

As opposed to Seagate?

10TB was impressive about 6 years ago when I first built my NAS. Now you can buy individual HDDs that are 10TB.

It's not. Good luck even finding AF drives that are native and not emulated. They keep pushing them back.

So, I have this options
>buy a dedicated NAS
>make myself one with a R3 2200g and some ECC RAM on an Asrock mobo
>make my next build an emulated rig + nas
What's the best option here?

what is this?

How many drives?

At minimum 3 for RAID 5. Hopefully expandable to 6 or 12.

Zyzel is pretty good. Got a 4 bay and a two 2 bay units during sales over the years. Use the 4 bay and 1 2 bay as dedicated backup devices for my main server. Got the remaining 2 bay unit waiting in reserve for when I expand my storage pool. HP makes pretty good nas (got a Gen 7). I not using it right now though. Back when I was I ran outta room and due to drive cost back then it was cheaper to just build a server from the ground up than to buy higher capacity drives.

>form over function
>function over form
guess which one gets me hard

I currently host 16TB of data on my raspberry, much cheaper

I own one too. Also I've just built my replacement, tower this time for more drivers. If I knew how much the gen8s price would skyrocket I would have bought 10 of them just to sell them and I probably would have kept 2 or so.

Good, I hope they keep making 4k (512) drives for long time yet. My desktop and server only support 4k (512) and not 4K pure drives. I use Windows 7 and Server 2008R2.

>HP microserver
>form over function
Choose one and only one.

I don't get why you would use one of these over a cheap desktop build running debian or freebsd

>freebsd
I meant openbsd, that's what my NAS is running

Cheap, at least in my country, usually also translates in high electricity bills.

I want to set up a RAID I can access remotely with a private key. Is it going to be a pain in the ass?

>HP microserver
>form over function
>meem design
>shit serviceability due to meem design
>blue LED bars
>useless optical drive wasting space
choose at least 3

Would a low-end AMD CPU really use much more power than one of these machines?

Lots of these machines are ARM powered, so they suck less power.
I choose you're a faggot.

>use RAID 1 array w WD drives
>they both fail

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When they were £150 they were the best option financially. Even 4 of them as opposed to a 16 bay solution.

>I could build a proper home server for the price and have a lot better internals.
I agree with you 100%

but sometimes I just want shit to work with minimal effort on my part.

they throw in there a $90 cpu and charge $600 for a NAS

Synology seems to be entirely celerons and atoms for their consumer lineup
qnap does have some proper core /ryzen offerings but we are talking 4 digit prices for those.

What seems to be holding other companies back is the lack of an app ecosystem, WD might as well be dead in the water, I heard good things about ASUS' nas solutions.

if that's your choice, lube up dat boipucci, bottom bitch

HPE Microserver, or ignore ryzen and go with something possibly cheap from supermicro or asrock rack. It is hard to beat the price of a HPE Microserver with a custom build. And it is especially hard to beat the convenience of one.

I can't advocate microservers anymore. Used gen8 prices have quadrupled and gen10 are fucking shit.

mines running just fine

my server is running for three years now. would not change to nas.

My HP has an internal USB port so you could run Freenas from it (USB) and have the 5 bays (odd bay w/3.5 adapter) for dedicate storage.

>Used gen8 prices have quadrupled
Same thing happened to the old n??l models. Stores sold them brand new for ~100 euro. After the launch of the gen 8, people were trying to sell them for 200-400 euro.

I'm waiting for the Gen 10 to come back down in price. Wanted to get one when they were about 200 euro, but they went up to about 400 euro for the same model for some reason. Not paying that much when I've seen how cheap they can be when not on sale.

No matter how shit the Gen 10 might be. Building a custom system with a convenient storage minded case will probably cost more than 300-400 euro. I know mine with an asrock rack board, pentium processor, and ECC memory was more than 250, then I had to get a case and PSU. I like my server, but I think a microserver would've been better value.

Might be able to find a cheap motherboard on ebay tho. But finding deals there can take time. An older low voltage xeon can be very cheap these days.

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Their fault for using Plex.
Seriously, why do people use this software?
Just stream the file, without transcoding it over SMB or something like that.

It requires next to no processing power and looks better than Plex.
The only time Plex can be useful is when you got a really low upload speed at home, and want to stream to your device from a remote location. Then it might be a good idea to use Plex. For local playback Plex is just you wasting CPU cycles to make your video look worse.

on my freenas, i'm debating whether to use 4k or 500 for the sectors on my four 8tb ironwolfs

what's the advantages and disadvantages of using 4k?

ECC sucks ass with Ryzen, don't bother. And even if you went with Ryzen, you'd have to deal with lots of bug fixes if you choose Linux/BSD.

Also, I am running a Synology DS1817+.
Getting decent parts for an omv or FreeNAS build is next to impossible in Sweden. I can't even find dumb SATA expansion cards, and the RAID ones that can be set to IT mode costs about 300 dollars.

>NAS transcoding 1080p

I can do five 4k streams to five different devices at once, why are you spreading misinformation?

använd tradera och ebay din fucking tripbög, en begagnad vanlig HBA kostar inte mer än 800kr

Are those four different streams and video sources? or four devices chiming in on the same stream at the same time.

In what ways wont it be as reliable? You can build a ryzen system for about the same price with 6 hdds

What about using an SBC as a small personal NAS? It should end up cheaper and smaller than all other options, while providing enough performance.

different

Yup. If you don't need redundant storage (or have a replication scheme) some ODroid HC1/2 should be good & easy.

hey all. I'm totally new to this, but I want to learn to administrate a simple home server, or maybe a NAS.

Let's say I want to build a linux-based fileserver with RAID 5 or RAID 6 and a net total of 12 TB of space spread across 4 disks, and I want to be able to access it either over the local area network, or by SSH with, and I want to be able to run light programs on it remotely, for instance to stream video.

What should I be using?
People have recommended debian on QNAP, some people just said to make a NAS with freeNAS. My work has a centos cluster, which I access with ssh, and I would ultimately like to have something like that, but just for file storage and small jobs.

I'm thinking of just replicating to Backblaze (encrypted)

If they don't need special software that doesn't run on ARM, I don't think you'll have any major problems.

You can make that run on about any distro. Gentoo, Debian, Fedora, Suse, Arch, [...] doesn't really matter. Or CentOS if you want, sure.

RAID5/6 is typically provided by mdadm and there is no particular issue if you enable ALL of ssh, ftp, samba, nfs and more to access it.

>storing tons of information
>not using the cloud

The cloud is unlimited storage space, why would you spend so much money when it's already free and reliable

I recommend the Khadas Vim2. ODroids can be really expensive in Europe.

> The cloud is unlimited storage space
> free
They still basically need to use HDD like you do, and can't do it very much cheaper.

Unless they're sponsoring the storage (why and for how long?), it won't be free.

> ODroids can be really expensive in Europe.
Obviously you import them, same as the Khadas Vim2. And they shouldn't cost more, as far as I can tell.

You could use resellers, but that generally just leads to another markup in price regardless which you pick.

Apart from that, the HC1/2 have the small advantage that they provide a SATA port and stackable tray for the drive, it's kinda nicer to deal with that than with external USB enclosures.

you don't use SSH to access files, you're thinking of NFS or SMB/CIFS. FreeNAS is based on FreeBSD, and it's extremely buggy which most modern hardware, especially AMD hardware.

buy a cheap Supermicro motherboard (x10slm variants), find a Xeon processor for that socket and get 16GB of RAM. if you still want to use *BSD, go ahead and install FreeNAS, but I recommend a Linux distro with mdadm. If you want to file integrity and snapshots, use ZFS (*BSD) or BTRFS (Linux)

I forgot to add

If you use Linux, you'll have more support for more hardware, more users which means more bugs will be solved and you'll have much better packages that's up to date.

>you don't use SSH to access files
There are tools like scp, and many typical FTP clients can access your data over SSH. These days I don't have any FTP service installed since SSH does a well enough job, and gives the impression of being more secure too.

I love you.

>8TB WD Red in the US costs $160

>8TB WD Red in Europe costs $280

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> you don't use SSH to access files
I constantly do, it's not really any big problem.

SMB or NFS perform a bit better, yup, but the difference is often quite irrelevant.

> Xeon processor for that socket and get 16GB of RAM
16 GB of RAM for a storage box? What the fuck? You barely require 1GB RAM even if you run a handful of different file server daemons.

VAT and (especially) customs and import taxes. Enjoy your socialism.

Pardon my ignorance, but what's mdadm?
to be honest, I'm not sure which RAID I need. I want a total of >12 TB storage, and I want it spread across 4 disks or so.
Do you recommend any particular distro? I only have experience with ubuntu at home, and CentOS at work.

well I want to by able to ssh into the server, launch programs (i.e. to simultaneously watch one movie on two computers), AND I want to be able to access files, say with something like filezilla/cyberduck.

ZFS requires 1GB of RAM for each 1TB, but that's if you use deduplication and other features

otherwise it's a good idea to have at least 500MB of RAM for each 1TB

you will run your storage on a different system, from that system, you will use NFS or SMB/CIFS to access your files from whatever device you want to

you simply type in the IP, like \\192.168.1.2\ and then you login with the username and password that you created for that share, and it'll appear as a regular drive.

Don't spread that myth around. Imagine all the ram people are wasting because of this myth.

From the devs "A system with 1 GB of RAM would not have much trouble with a pool that contains 1 exabyte of storage, much less a petabyte or a terabyte. The data is stored on disk, not in RAM with the exception of cache. That just keeps an extra copy around and is evicted as needed.
The only time when more RAM might be needed is when you are turn on data deduplication. That causes 3 disk seeks for each DDT miss when writing to disk and tends to slow things down unless there is enough cache for the DDT to avoid extra disk seeks. The system will still work without more RAM. It is just that the deduplication code will slow down writes when enabled. That 1GB of RAM per 1TB data stored "rule" is nonsense though. The number is a function of multiple variables, not a constant."

well I don't just want a storage box. I also want to be able to run applications remotely. For instance, I want to be able to watch one movie simultaneously on two computers, both logged into the server over SSH with private keys so that my gf and I can watch movies together when we're in different countries. I also want to be able to run an X11 program that I use to look at outputs of calculations I do for work.
Storage is still the primary purpose, though, but I don't think a simple FreeNAS box will suffice.

He literally said deduplication.

I was hoping to use SSH and public/private key pairs.

> Pardon my ignorance, but what's mdadm?
The most widely used tool to configure and use RAID (including RAID 5 & 6) on Linux. Works brilliantly.

> to be honest, I'm not sure which RAID I need. I want a total of >12 TB storage, and I want it spread across 4 disks or so.
Both RAID5 and 6 will spread data over all your drives, but RAID5 has one and RAID6 two drives worth of redundancy. You have to pick based on how many drive failures your data should survive [it needs to live until the drive is replaced and the redundancy restored 1 day later or whatever it takes to resync the replacement drive]

> Do you recommend any particular distro?
No. Basically any regular distro will work. Feel free to use CentOS or Ubuntu if that's what you know well. I use Gentoo and Fedora myself.

The difference in configuring either isn't big.

You can do that, but why? You don't want somebody in your local network to have access to your shares?

Multiple Device Administration, the tool you use to create software RAID arrays. The thing you need to decide is how much redundancy you want. RAID 5 will survive one drive dying, if two die before it's rebuilt, it's all gone. RAID 6 withstands two drive failures. RAID 5 eats one drive for parity information, RAID 6 eats two. So for four drives, RAID 5 gives you the capacity of three, RAID 6 gives you the capacity of two.

Any distro can do mdadm. Pick one you're familiar with. I'd prefer one of the slow-moving distros (Debian, CentOS, etc) since you don't want to have to log in and update it every day, you want it to sit there in the corner and just werk once set up.

Yeah, avoid dedup and you can live on surprisingly little RAM, especially since as a home data hoarder you don't need random IO performance.

> otherwise it's a good idea to have at least 500MB of RAM for each 1TB
That's more for cloud storage nodes like moosefs or gluster or ceph ones - these generally massively benefit when or even require that hashes for objects and mores stuff are kept in RAM.

Maybe ZFS also needs it, IDK.

But Xfs, ext4, btrfs, jfs and all the other classic Linux filesystems (plus options you probably won't use such as ntfs or fat32) don't need much RAM to run optimally, nor does mdadm. Give each like 64-128MB and it's probably just fine.

>deduplication and other features
No, it's just deduplication (which is of little use to home users)

>otherwise it's a good idea to have at least 500MB of RAM for each 1TB
Completely false. Could be a good idea if you need random i/o on some small files, since it would just be used as cache, but you don't.

What case is that and how are you mounting the drives.
I've been trying to make an atx home server and can't for the life of me find something like the fractal design r5(with the 8 drive bays) but with a micro-atx format factor.
I just want something compact as fuck, atx/matx/ITX, and with at least 4 3.5 drive bays.

gay, I store my 10tb of lolis in my PC. HA!

>at least 4

you're gonna wish for 8+ when you have 4 drive bays occupied

Are those USB drive "enclosures" any good? I heard they can cause serious damage to the drive, ever had that happen?

Maybe, but you can also scale vertically (more machines) if that happens.

This approach isn't unattractive when you aren't sure it will happen; because up to 4 drives you shouldn't have much trouble running it all off some PicoPSU or clone and using a super cheap Atom board or something.

If you plan for 8 drives, you'll have to also plan a beefier PSU, bigger case, and more powerful mainboard. Not a bad idea if you think you'll get to 8 drives soon, but if it's uncertain... maybe not?