"We're still working hard on making Linux operating systems a great place for gaming and applications. We think it will ultimately result in a better experience for developers and customers alike, including those not on Steam."
The removal of Steam Machines was done because they weren't selling. It doesn't mean they have given up on GNU/Linux, quite the opposite. Valve realized it's the future and they know GNU/Linux run games better and faster and they are actively preparing for Microsoft's inevitable bankruptcy. steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/0/1696043806550421224/
You still have to fiddle fuck with games to get them to work, and get blocked by DRM and anti-cheat that isn't/can't be emulated.
Daniel Sullivan
>60-70% of native performance. That's great but I suspect it's not enough for the one game my NEET brother plays all day every day: GTA V. Doesn't affect me since I don't play it. I'm just saying that 60% performance doesn't cut it for worthless NEETs who barely manage to muster the effort to dress themselves and eat.
Ayden Young
>All that weebshit
Austin Carter
You can do better with opengl and modern amd cards. Some games run faster than the native windows versions.
Austin Howard
You neglect the fact that wine containerizes your games.
I have a functional DS1 prefix that has all of my custom mods preinstalled so I don't need to futz for an hour to figure out what order to install them in that won't crash the game as everything is dirty hacks.
This is barely even the beginning of DXVK. No one knows about it yet it can run anything with MUCH better frametimes than wine's OpenGL layer and all in under one fucking year of development.
If it implements shader pipeline emulation the jig is up 100% and you'll be seeing games pushing high frames on the abstraction vulkan layer than native.
If you want to uncuck your life, install gentoo.
Luke Robinson
Last time I tried playing CSGO was last year and the framerate was worse
Parker Adams
Reminder that Steam is proprietary malware that locks you in with DRM. Stream is mutually exclusive with freedom. By adopting Steam as an ecosystem on Linux, you're turning Linux into what Google did and is still in the process of doing with Android: open-source at the core, but utterly reliant on a proprietary ecosystem to function, reducing the merits of FLOSS to none. Gamers should fuck off and stay on Windows. The "Linux desktop" doesn't need you nor want you.
as long as a) OEMs still only offer Windows when buying a pre-built and b) professional software is only available on Windows and Mac Linux is not going to take over the market.
Prime example is the Microsoft Office Suit. While there are Linux alternatives, which work great for the most parts, when it comes to some specialized tasks they still don't hold a candle. Same with Adobe Suit, and especially for industry applications.
There's this idea that you can't make money off of Linux, even though you could sell software on it perfectly fine
>>Prime example is the Microsoft Office Suit. they're pushing everyone onto Office 365 anyway, and Google Docs has been a thing for years. LibreOffice is gonna win the local-application-office-suite war because MS is abandoning it.
Nolan Peterson
sounds about right for the target audience of gnu + linux
Aiden Wright
>LibreOffice is gonna win the local-application-office-suite war because MS is abandoning it. lol stay in school kid because its obvious you have never had a real job
Kevin Morgan
>The "Linux desktop" doesn't need you nor want you omg what a fucking moron
Angel Torres
>LARPing as a salaryman
Colton Sanders
CS GO runs like shit on Ubuntu/Mint when compared to Windows here, like around 100fps on a 1060
Thomas Thomas
A constant revenue stream is nice and all, but subscription based software is cancer, especially for daily drives.
Still, I hope some company will make a proper paid office suit for Linux, because people who use Linux right now are either happy with the compatability of LibreOffice or use LaTex et al and neither is going to make a break through at the common workplace
>>Still, I hope some company will make a proper paid office suit for Linux, why the fuck would you want it to be paid? Why wouldn't you just want people to improve whatever areas of LibreOffice you find lacking? Anyway if there's widespread agreement that subscriptions are bad, then that's good for pushing people towards LibreOffice.
I'd also bet a lot of outfits wouldn't find LibreOffice lacking at all. They just use Microsoft stuff because that's what they've always done. Inertia is a powerful force.
Ayden Lewis
>60-70% of native performance that's not good enough
Owen Moore
It did, what OpenGL managed to do for dx9 over like a decade, in less than one year for DX11 without hauling insane microstutter in.
If this doesn't give you a raging hardon you should stop using computers.
>Microsoft Office Suit Microsoft already lost the Office suit and LibreOffice didn't win. I really don't like "cloud" services, my personal preference is to keep my personal data local. But that's not how the corporate world works. Both my sisters use Google Docs at their respective jobs for the exact same reason (even though they are in completely different fields); they travel and work from all kinds of places.
Elijah Wilson
How? Emulation in WINE? PlayOnLinux? I'll give you a blowjob if you can get me Tekken 7 and peripherals working on a linux distro.
William Edwards
Left for dead 2 IS on Steam for GNU/Linux. I haven't forked over the €20 required to play it so I can't tell you if it's good or not. But it's there and you can play it if you're willing to fork that over.
Metro Redux is for sale on Steam today, btw. I'm considering forking over €4
>needs minimum 3.5 wine >Debian Sid is at 3.0 Welp, time to try and build it again. Last time I had to chroot or some shit and I can't remember what I did.
Passthrough is still the best way. That guy is delusional. I play T7, DBFZ, and SFV via passthrough and it's fucking great.
Parker Thomas
How are the AMD drivers on Linux? Last I heard they were trading blows with Nvidia's proprietary drivers. Do they have Vulkan running yet and I'm a slowpoke?
Christopher Ross
I was reading a how-to on passthrough and it seems way too complicated. Not to mention, the process required the host and the guest both have their own dedicated graphics card AND monitor...which basically defeats the point for me. If I wanted another computer just for games, I'd buy one.
Hudson Adams
>the process required the host and the guest both have their own dedicated graphics card AND monitor That's only partially true. My setup uses my i5's integrated gfx for Linux and a 1070 for Windows. I only use one monitor because it's hooked up to a AV receiver. I just flip between HDMI input 1 and input 2. But yeah setting it up is somewhat complicated and you kind of have to commit to it. I started by wiping my SSD clean and followed a guide.
Lincoln Anderson
>Passthrough is still the best way. It's inconvenient. You need an extra display since Looking Glass isn't ready. Extra GPU means you sacrifice Linux performance unless you go with similarly priced GPUs. Multiple peripherals in keyboard and mouse for less latency. etc.
SR-IOV would make it THE option, but it's not on consumers.
Samuel Cruz
I forgot you needed an additional keyboard and mouse to do this. As I said, I might as well just buy a second computer and an HDMI/KVM switch at that point, fuck the emulation.
Jason Wood
Wait, DKVK was just one guy that wasn't a winedev?
It's not just inertia, MS deliberately breaking compatibility with their """""open"""""" standards to attack competitors it's another one of the major reasons
Jacob Cooper
>steam on linux >have to install 32-bit packages no
Austin Miller
I'm so mad I didn't get it for free years ago.
Easton Cooper
>The removal of Steam Machines was done because they weren't selling. It doesn't mean they have given up on GNU/Linux, quite the opposite It's just that steam machines weren't made by valve in the first place. They had almost nothing to do with it. They did no advertising too. One should be stupid to even consider steam machines as an attempt by valve to sell something. They would have done something more aggressive, you would have seen ads everywhere including TV and street like sony and microsoft does with their console. At this point, I'm pretty sure that steam is gonna release half life 3, portal 3 and left 4 dead 3 as time exclusive to steam machines and linux to convince people buying their consoles.
Christopher Cooper
>32bit libs if windows would die already we would be free from this bloat. Arma3 is 64bit now and runs even better, was playing it last night. Just need a 64bit client....
Nicholas Nguyen
I'll stay with passthrough and keep 99.9% of the performance.
Jonathan Sanchez
His games need >DRM >Privacy violating anti-cheat >Privacy violating Analytics >Windows API >DirectX And he LOVES this! But he wants the same trash on Linux!
no one (except linux mint maybe) forces you to install steam on linux, however everyone profits from improvements to mesa stack that linux gaming provides. Steam is a good thing no matter how you look at this, and you can support non-drm sellers if you dont like it. Even game devs wins in this scenario because people started developing multiplatform games and selling them all across steam, gog and humble, without steam we would have to fuck around with wine forever.
Easton Harris
Would you recommend Everlasting Summer?
Oliver Cook
gnu.org/philosophy/nonfree-games.en.html He seems bothered and worried about Steam but not as much as one would expect him to be. Even he recognizes the practical benefits.
Jordan Watson
I personally don't mind if some of my programs are closed source. If my browser and OS is open source that's almost enough. Other programs aren't open all the time. Maybe instant messaging client and e-mail client as well, so my communication isn't being spied on. If a game is closed source then it can spy on me only while I'm running that game and I don't usually do other things at the same time while playing. When the foundation of the system is free and open then other programs can be changed whenever some open source version becomes a good alternative to the closed source one. Windows will never be as good because of this.
Blake Gutierrez
Linux was never about being 100% foss software. Its good to keep the core/base system foss for multiple good reasons, but refusing to cooperate with companies in bringing big proprietary software is plain retarded. Its just ignoring what some users need and focusing on your autistic beliefs.
An example is CAD software, i don't see threads bashing qcad pro or bricscad because it's non-free software available for linux, its a good thing to have those at all.
Hunter Campbell
Running proprietary software on a free operating system is still much better than running proprietary software on a proprietary operating system.
I gladly take all the features Android community has pushed into Linux kernel. Same for all the kernel and Mesa updates that Valve does.
Brody Hughes
sid is at 3.0 but playonlinux is at 3.5. I dont understand why would anyone not use POL when it helps keep wine contained
Jordan Anderson
it's not so much that I want to pay for it.
Here's the deal: >paid software >something breaks >it either gets fixed or not >if it doesn't, nobody is going to buy their products again vs >same scenario with free software >either it gets fixed or fix it yourself >if it doesn't get fixed, welp, you didn't pay fo it anyway, so fix it yourself
it gives industry partners a level of confidence. look at RHEL: sure you can use it for free, but if you want something fixed you can pay them.
>Valve realized it's the future and they know GNU/Linux run games better and faster Really? I thought it was Windows 10 S and general Microsoft control that bothers them (probably correctly so).
James Rogers
I always claimed that people should opensource their proprietary abandonware, maybe someone can pull something good out of it or at least adapt it for newer systems.
Joseph Martinez
it is. but in early times of steam on linux they realized that porting l4d2 to opengl fixed some of it's shader issues and improved performance, and the press went all over it, so they decided that it's good to share about their (positive) experiences with Linux and open source software.
Daniel Evans
Would you say workplaces would be reluctant to use free software because they are afraid it won't be good enough.
Jace Mitchell
Ah you're right it was lfd1.
Asher Gutierrez
> Reminder that Steam is proprietary malware that locks you in with DRM As long as copyright and [in the burger case, software patents] are what they are, you're somewhat locked into restrictions anyhow.
Steam deserves some credit for keeping its DRM shit clearly separated from the system, not interfering with other methods of installing software [neither your package manger nor some GOG installer nor something else should suffer], and generally pushing the intrusiveness of DRM down a bit (you don't exactly need TPM keys, games are ALLOWED to ship without any DRM and so on).
It's not perfect, no, but you're not going to get any better for the commercial games ecosystem with current copyright.
David Foster
(cont'd) > utterly reliant on a proprietary ecosystem to function Not actually the case for Android either. There are devices that run all open sauce drivers [that not all do is various hardware vendor's fault].
And Google has so far made it possible to cleanly take out the Google license-encumbered store parts from the rest of Android.
You can just use Google services - free Android ROMs with only F-Droid and your own .apk files if you want. Google, too, deserves definitely some credit for enabling that. They could have made most things above the kernel proprietary and / or pretty impossible to separate from proprietary Google services, but that's generally not the case.
Kevin Flores
Apple makes shit hardware and they are moving to arm. Microsoft is trying to kill win32 and pretty much have control of all the software market using their store. Linux is kind of their only choice.
Julian Russell
I remember when i bought a game without drm on steam on linux. Didnt like it and refunded it. And now i still have the binary for some reason and it works.
Eli Jackson
>Microsoft is trying to kill Win32
This is going to be fucking hilarious to watch in the coming years
Jaxon Hernandez
Wasn't it initially because windows 8 was so shit?
Anthony Fisher
>moving to arm. Huh?
Ryder Miller
I'd say companies rather want to work on their own products than fix tools they use, especially non-technology based companies. It's unnecessary overhead for them.
Winfags excuses for using windows will fall one by one: There is still support for windows with legacy win 32 applications! > microsoft stops legacy support for win32 But i can still use my favourite versions of old apps! > windows store updates now automatic. Well i'll use this app to change this hidden setting that turns off automatic updates! > microsoft removes apps that allow you to configure hidden settings Well i still have my legacy software that got ported to the windows store > microsoft removes old unmaintained apps from the store due to api change.(or security reason whatever) Muh games > No gog, No steam. All shitty mobile games. Older games dead. Muh torrents > no apps outside the store. I'll just use another app store > no third party app stores(this is the reason steam and gog want to move out)
Fucken screencap this
Joshua Green
>open-source at the core, but utterly reliant on a proprietary ecosystem to function >if you play video games they will eventually evolve into your entire operating system and userland No. Just no.
This isn't even remotely correct, and you're a fucking retard for even suggesting it.
Those are terrible examples, better examples would be Rocket League, Factorio, Stardew Valley, Terraria, Borderlands 2, Xcom, Binding of Isaac, Darkest Dungeon and so on. Given, if your looking to play games at least then Windows will always be better until Steam does something Yes
you can install appx without using the store at all literally do any of you actually know what you're talking about
Carter Price
I don't understand, how does Nvidia work better on Linux, their drivers are pure shit, especially for those newer cards
Alexander Torres
I'll stay with gallium-nine and get 110% of the performance
Jaxon Brooks
Praise Gaben!
Dylan Wilson
When I was using passthrough, I used Synergy to solve the multi peripheral issue. In the script that booted the Windows VM it started a Synergy client and the VM would autostart a Synergy server on boot. Low latency on the VM but still usable on the host.
Jayden Garcia
>There are devices that run all open sauce drivers Name one modern device that does so. Every LineageOS build I've looked at for popular phones has proprietary drivers and other blobs bundled. Not to mention the baseband! >And Google has so far made it possible to cleanly take out the Google And simultaneously crippling the device. >They could have made most things above the kernel proprietary That's pretty much what they did, by ceasing development of open-source libraries and APIs, and pushing their own proprietary ecosystem. They're current developing their own kernel, and from there on Android will cease entirely as development will shift over. Google doesn't deserve any "credit" for turning Android into a data-mining platform, and for locking the average user in worst than Microsoft does, and for enabling GPL violations (clearly showing they don't give a shit about open-source).
Landon Jenkins
>posts Stallman >belives in Stallman philosophy >doesn't refer to Linux as GNU+Linux.
also keep in mind that noone is forcing you to use Steam. You still be able to use your librebooted thinkpad running an FSF approved distro.
also note that posting on Jow Forums requires completing a google-provided captcha, which is obviously non-free.
Brandon Brown
>When I was using passthrough What happened then?
Landon Nelson
That's all great and stuff but until they start actually doing stuff I'm going to stay skeptical.
Dylan Hall
There is a german company called Softmaker, they offer an office suite for all platforms including Android. Maybe it has not all the features M$ offers even if i never missed something.
Btw i use it in Windows, Linux and Android.
Juan Jenkins
Don't you mean the year of the Linux what desktop?
Nathan Hall
They're terrified of Windows S mode. But good luck to them.
Xavier Bailey
this. I just installed notepad++ to see wtf this is talking about and I saw what I expected. playonlinux has it's own repo of wine versions, which you can set versions per application.
Joshua Miller
This graph doesn't give enough information. Are they using DirectX on windows, or opengl?
Samuel Perry
DXVK. Compile it from github or use AUR if you have an arch based distro.
Brace yourself:
Tekken 7 works.
Nathaniel Harris
AMD's free drivers still don't fully support Vega yet.
Landon Peterson
>implying that /v/ isn't the most cancerous board on Jow Forums
Brandon Lee
It's not, you're a newfag. Try s4s
Cooper Carter
Who has Vega in here? I should have bought 56 when it was $400 for that day or two, this is suffering.
