This thread is about the appreciation of horology, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch, clock, or other timepiece.
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Previous nuked because of tudor rep fag.
>nuking a whole general because of one poster
Regarding the ST19, is this a movement most watch repairman can and will work on? Also are parts easily available?
can I get gestalted on the guy posting porn and gore
Mad autist tudor rep fag, mad because people post quartz watches.
I ran into plenty who wouldn't
>implying he is not a VPN fag and won't get a new IP addy in 90 seconds
Could be.
>No limits on autism and shitposting.
Fucking windyknob should strange him with his bear hands and leave his corpse to rot on the graveyard of poo in the loo shitters and fakes.
>tfw you will never fall asleep in windyknobs arms while gazing at the lume on his wrist
The fuck does that work?
Can anyone comment on the Omega 3301 column wheel movement please?
pic related
The hands are each on plastic discs.
I have a dumb question. I have a Swatch quartz watch. No date display, just hour/min/sec. But the crown has an A, B, and C position.
Pulling it out to B and turning the crown seemingly does nothing. What does it do?
Tfw you are feeling the most warm and comfortable possible, you slowly open yours eyes and look upon him.
You are in his care.
"Is it time to wake up yet?" -You ask.
"No, you still have time" - He responds
You are falling back to a gentle sleep, feeling relaxed.
Suddenly he alarms you and asks:
"How do you know the crown is screwed all the way in?"
In this moment you realize it was him all a long.
Windyknob.
You rest on his strong wide arms while looking at the timepiece on his wrist.
You notice a peculiar red line on his timepiece, you see the meaning of it.
You start falling back asleep, he kisses you on your forehead.
"Rest well my nubile 19 year old girlfriend".
You are at peace.
that was bad tho
>Wants Tudor BB
>attempts to rationalize buying a Chinese fake
>We tell him he is retarded. And honestly out of genuinely wanted to help him not buy a trash timepiece
>spergs out and posted blacked porn he has saved on his computer
I mean this is really just a symptom of the current attitude towards watches in these threads. No one really needs a watch anymore. And if you do need one you can easily get something economic for under $100 that will do the job. So really anything above that is something of mostly an interest in either status, fashion, history, or interest in the mechanics/technology. Recently these threads are mostly filled with the fashion types who really only give a damn about the aesthetics of the watch. So for these types it is easy to justify buying a Chinese $400 visually passing fake. Because truth be told they really could give a fuck less about anything besides the fashion of the watch. "It looks just like the real thing so it is just as good! R-Right?". Well sure it looks passing, but the truth is that is is objectively inferior to the real one from a horological/technological standpoint. But again this does not matter to them as that is not their main concern. They don't want something genuine. They just want a fashion object.
I'd nuke another thread if it happened again.
I’m so excited. I have a Rolex explorer plus a penisquartz on their way to me.
That's been true for 50 years though, it's not a new thing that cheap good quality watches are available and people get fakes of expensive ones
fake rolexes have been a meme since long before the internet
which explorer ref user?
I’m a replica buyer and all the forums say that the last five years have been incredible how close the fakes are getting to the genuine. Naturally anything with an open caseback sucks and the movements never look genuine but the materials, finishing and dials are getting extremely close.
pic of penisquartz
Modern good fakes use modern serviceable ETA movements and sapphire crystals with milled bracelets, they are better quality all around than a Rolex made in the 60s
what the fuck is this windyknob shit
New one senpai.
What is your favorite complication anons?
>penis symbol and oWo face
Honestly I love a simple three hander the most.
Second to that is a small seconds sub dial.
And an ETA 2824 is easier to service than a Bulgari BVL 138. Does that mean the ETA is better?
Chrono, date/month/year, alarm
seikowo
kek
I am not saying "better" in all cases, but a Noob Rolex fake with an ETA in it is a perfectly good watch for daily wear. The average person would never notice any quality difference between it and a real rolex as far as timekeeping. Compare a $400 Rolex ETA fake with any other $400-$800 ETA watch and it will be just as good
the only thing that is "wrong" with it is the printing on the dial violates moralfag copyright laws
Oddly the watch thread in /fa seems to be higher quality for the last little bit. This one has devolved to shit.
>tfw ordered my penis quartz hat
>should I get a Seamaster or a Speedmaster?
>BOTH
nice, the model i'm looking at is from 2014. for some reason they say the Broad Arrow suffered problems (like you said, pre-2009)
thanks for more info, I appreciate it!
/CASIO GANG/ reporting in
I went through a phase of considering pic related last year. From what I've read:
The 32xx/33xx series are based on the piguet 1285 as you probably know. These movements were specifically made for Omega, which though similar shouldn't be considered on the same league as the famous thin auto chronograph cal 1185 which sits in some VCs, APs and Blancpain models and more. Though still a solid movement, it has been known to suffer reset problems but the issue was widespread enough that omega replaced the complements, supposedly if the movement has been serviced officially after 2009 you will be sweet.
Other than that, I think its a solid movement. Look at the column wheel chronographs in that price range you'll find it's nearest competitor is the El Primero.
its external parts will fall off. replicas are inherently poorly-made watches. period. all of them.
not a fan of the 39mm explorer but its still the best rolex line user. good job
Post your casios
thank you good sir!
You are incorrect, I have been wearing an ETA Noob V6 since 2016
it's better quality all around than something like an SKX007, it will not fall apart or break any more than a mid priced seiko diver would
I accidentally posted the wrong pic, I wanted a chrono and at the same time I wanted the aesthetic of the vintage railmaster. I find most modern seamasters hideous and the speedy I would only really want 321 or maybe a 510p based model
Well if your only goal is that others don't notice that is kinda sad as you will always know it is a sham.
>Compare a $400 Rolex ETA fake with any other $400-$800 ETA watch and it will be just as good
So then based on that let me ask you this. Why buy the Fake Sub over a "just as good" genuine watch in that price range?
>its external parts will fall off. replicas are inherently poorly-made watches. period. all of them.
That is just not true, do you think guys are having ETAs put in pieces of shit that fall apart? You can buy them at 3 movement levels and it's common for somebody to buy a really cheap one then get one later with an ETA in it when they realize it's actually a good watch
only have a F-91w, which has lasted me 4 years, but some others are on their way.
>>Compare a $400 Rolex ETA fake with any other $400-$800 ETA watch and it will be just as good
>So then based on that let me ask you this. Why buy the Fake Sub over a "just as good" genuine watch in that price range?
You really have to ask this?
because I would rather have a fake submariner than a Steinhart, I own both and my fake sub is actually better than my Stein, which has a bad lume pip
Which ones?
I've got a vintage marlin coming
/CASIO GANG/
I blame the 2 or 3 people forcing memes like the windyknob, casio gang, nomos collection. That kind of posting lead people into thinking this is /v/ or something. Ultimately things like tudorfag posting blacked porn are bound to happen because of the previous behavior mentioned.
A158WA-1D AU
W-86-1VQES
DW5600E-1V
considering the F-105W-1A and AQ-230A-7DMQ too
>I sure do hate it when people make memes about the topic at hand
>better go lurk/post on Jow Forums so I don't have to see that kind of thing
Eh at least with a Steinhart you can get a 2 year warranty and when you bring it in to service it won't be as embarrassing as bringing in a fake sub. I don't know if I could live with wearing a fake Rolex. How does a wannabe like you do it?
Not sure what you think I "want to be" but I just pick up my replica rolex and put it on my wrist.
Oh, and I have no problems doing a simple service on an ETA movement myself.
do you even watches?
What's the point of this thing? Where the fuck are the complications? Where the fuck is the God damn second hand? What's next? Just a fucking dial? Fuck these trends
You want to be someone wearing a Rolex. But you are not. Do you tell people it is a fake when they take notice?
That's nice.
I wouldn't get the f-10w-1a as you have the w-86 coming, they are almost the same watch.
I would unironically add the aq 230 if you want another casio.
You are thinking about it too much. It's just a watch lol.
Nobody asks me if it's fake
> trends
If someone said "Nice Rolex" would you tell them it is a fake?
It's all just fashion watch bullshit these days, a bunch of overly minimalistic bullshit.
My guy had no problem with it. It's identical to the Venus 175, which was used by a lot of companies in the 50's and 60's. If your guy does vintage chronos, this should be no problem.
Funny enough I actually find my one watch without a second hand fasted to read the time on.
sure if they seemed to care
nobody ever does though, do you associate with people who give the slightest fuck what kind of watch you wear? I don't, the people I associate value me as a person and time spent with me as more valuable than anything i might be wearing or driving/whatever
>he wears a fake rolex
>person of value
pick one
/wt/ timepiece
Feel free to edit if you want.
you are very judgemental, might want to work on that
>does something wannabe
>expects not to be judged on it
heh ok
I liked my version more
A Swiss pocket watch I bought. Has been dated as between 1910 and 1920. Still in excellent working condition, tried it out just now and it's ticking away.
What is everyone's opinion on fluted bezels vs smooth bezels? What do you think looks better? Do you think both have their appropriate uses?
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Always makes me laugh
Isn't the real question here about the value of something that is trying to be something else based on the societal perception of value based on recognizable and iconic aesthetics??
Consider Flieger watches. The ones without a name on the face are essentially all the same in terms of aesthetic. Yes, they're different in terms of movement, finishing, details, weight, etc, but the bottom line is that the look of the watch is nearly the same for each company, and unless you really look close, it's difficult to see an immediate difference. The Tissell is similar to the Laco, which is similar to Stowa, which is similar to Wempe, etc etc.
No one in their right mind would say that a Laco is a poor imitation of a Stowa or an IWC Flieger, or that it's a poor man's version like Tudor is of Rolex. But it's easy with Fliegers because it's a rather universal design, recognized as a design that is not necessarily tied to a specific company.
The Rolex Submariner is iconic and unmistakable, first as a 'Rolex' and second as a 'diving watch'. I think this is why there is a different feeling about a watch that is designed to be as close to the Submariner as possible without being it. It's not as if 4 or 5 different manufacturers made identical Submarine Watches for the army....only one company made a Submariner, and it's Rolex. So anything that looks like a Submariner is an imitation, unless it costs more.
The Submariner is a status symbol, moreso because it's a Rolex rather than because it's a diving watch. A fake Rolex is a watch that is attempting to trick the unsuspecting of believing it is a Rolex and that the person wearing it has all the social collateral that comes with owning a watch like that.
I don't think it's possible to see it another way. No one makes fake Alphas (not that I know of, though I wouldn't put it past the Chinese or Pakistanis), and if they did, no one would care.
How much did you pay? Those aren't worth very much.
it's just a watch i wear
calm down lol
I own a tag and I find that shit hilarious too
>A fake Rolex is a watch that is attempting to trick the unsuspecting of believing it is a Rolex and that the person wearing it has all the social collateral that comes with owning a watch like that.
You don't need any social collateral to buy one bro you can get them on ebay wtf
Post your recent arrivals wt
>I don't think it's possible to see it another way. No one makes fake Alphas (not that I know of, though I wouldn't put it past the Chinese or Pakistanis), and if they did, no one would care.
There are literally millions of fake seiko 5s made every year, you are just wrong
Check out those worm gears
View of the index wheel and fingers
why a watch on your foot?
£35. Was that a fair price?
This one, I've only used it once because the leather strap is too stiff an unconfortable and the perlon strap I ordered for it haven't arrived yet.
I am calm...is there anything in my post that gives you an indication otherwise? You can definitely wear whatever you'd like; that isn't the subject of the argument. It's about the value (or lack thereof) of fakes, and what I think they represent in modern society.
Agreed, however the name 'Rolex' still impacts people in their minds the same way that a girl who's been proposed to is going to show off the size of her diamond engagement ring to every female 'friend' that she has. It's not about requiring social collateral to buy one, it's about the social collateral in terms of perception that comes from owning one. Those are two different things.
Notice I specifically talked about fake Alphas. Alpha makes fakes of other companies, and my point was that you probably won't find a fake of a fake, and if you did, no one would care because there is no perceived social collateral that comes from fakes.
Even if you look at the mid-tier watches today....would anyone honestly care if they saw someone wearing a fake Oris? For them to do so, they'd have to know the lineup of Oris, and then know what details are wrong in order to determine that it's a fake. That takes very specialist knowledge, because the average person on the street doesn't know the name of Oris as a watchmaker. Sadly, a fake Lange would likely encounter the same problem; most people don't know Langes at all, so a fake one wouldn't register.
Rolex is special because of its perceived universal value in society. Their watches don't seem to depreciate as badly as others, and vintage ones are almost universally prized, not necessarily for all the right reasons.
There's a very big difference here....
ah, nice, really liked that one. Definitely need a new crystal though. and... perlon? for that?
I'd say fair given I would have said around £25-30 given it's condition.
99% of people will never notice your watch and don't care at all unless you work in finance
tl;dr
if someone wants to wear a fake why do you care so much
I just bought my noob from a friend, you have put more thought into this than i have, it's just a watch lol
If someone wants to buy a fake then fair enough. If they then want to post on a watch thread and justify it over buying the real thing that's just pathetic.
Cool, good to know, thanks. It's a nice piece. Don't use it often but I like it a lot. I have another German 1930s alarm clock but hardly ever wind it because it's bloody loud when it ticks. I don't know how people could have comfortably slept with it back in the day.
that was another guy not me, I was just trying to say that a decent fake subby with an ETA is actually not a bad watch if judged against similar priced watches from seiko. you would have $500 in an SKX by the time you put a hacking handwinding movement, ceramic bezel, sapphire crystal and quality solid link oyster on it
In modern society, I agree with you for the most part. Older folks (>35 years old) notice depending on their caste of course. I'm not entirely sure what your point is, but I agree for the most part.
A shame your attention span is somewhat stunted. As I said before, I don't actually care if someone chooses to wear a fake or not. It's their choice to do so. What interests me is the purpose of a fake, what it does for social perception, and why it can have a use in some ways but can be utterly useless in others.
You are quite right, it's just a watch. But today you have to keep in mind that watches serve no purpose in our world anymore: they are solely semi-functional jewelry. Most of the millenial generation don't wear them, and given some of the surveys they've done, there are a significant number of millenials who have trouble reading an analog clock. They won't need watches, and their children (if they have any) won't need them either.
If a watch is now only a piece of jewelry, then the value of it's function is superceded by the aesthetic beauty or social value they contribute to the person wearing it. I'm not talking about how YOU perceive it if you wear it, I'm talking about how others who see you wearing it perceive you and how this perception changes depending on the value of the piece.
A genuine Rolex is desirable in society, whether or not you personally feel that it's desirable. A fake Rolex is as valuable as a real one if no one knows it's a fake....that should already ring an alarm bell if you're thinking about it.
Yeah the new crystal is a must and I'll go to my local watchmaker one of these day for it. I just wanted to have it in my hands a little longer before leaving it for the replacement.
I know it seems odd to put a perlon on a vintage like this, but somehow all the leather straps I've used are unconfortable and end up hurting my wrist, this doesn't happen with a perlon or metal bracelet, but a metal one will look a little off so I bought a brown perlon to make it look like the old brown strap.