DUDE PIRACY IS BAD LMAO

>announcing sage

Visible sage should come back.

average hourly wage for a 3d artist is $22, so it pays off after a week
but of course piracy is okay for educational purposes, free student licences should be a standard (see jetbrains)

Add 3DS Max, wich cost 9000$ for 3 years, Revit that cost 9000 dollars too for 3 years, Maya etc.

I use 50,000 dollars worth of software

>3 year license
What kind of bullshit is that?

Max is architectural software and it's really meant to be paid by your firm not personally. If you want a personal modeling tool there are much cheaper and honestly better options now considering how unstable autodesk tools are now

They should do a special price for indie devs like me. I can't do 90% of what I do in Revit with a free option, 3DS max, Maya or Revit are an industry standard, free options are very sub par compared to it.

I live in yurop and can't afford them. My 900€ wage can't buy 50,000€ of software.

>inb4 banned

What makes you think you need that specific piece of proprietary software? This is like thinking you need Photoshop instead of just thinking you need to edit an image. You've been corrupted.

Not him but Zbrush is a standard and there is no other choicd

>hurr durr why don't people just use gimp and libre office hurr durr

I can literally get those licences for free (no crack) with my uni account.

You're still thinking of it wrong. This isn't about "use y instead of x" it's about changing your thought process entirely. Those may be alternatives to popular proprietary software, but I'm not specifically pushing for you to use them instead.

That's what I did, but you can't use the files you produce for commercial purposes.

Use sculptris, free even for commerical use, easier to pick up than zBrush

also look at 3Dcoat, easier then zBrush yeah doesn't have all the bells and whistles

I see what you mean, but why would you want an alternative when you k ow there's an industry standard program developed from millions of dollars that does exactl what you want in a convenient way? I think it's just natural to want to use the best tools.

In this case the main reason is because the industry standard is proprietary, or in the case of OP, because cost is an issue.

I owe piracy my entire life.
I learned how to pirate Photoshop CS2 back in middle school and taught myself how to use it.
Years later I'm now a graphic designer working a job that I enjoy at a company that respects me and what I do with really good starting pay.
I'm feeling good about where my life has gone and I owe it all to little 6th grade me who just wanted to know how to get Photoshop without paying for it.

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But you can just pirate it, that's good enough for the vast majority of the users.

>pirate
You people are the reason why law threats copyright infringement now the same as robbery and murder.

>have a perfectly fine FOSS alternative
>too much of a brainlet to use it
>resorts to stealing
Sounds like a personal problem.

tfw just pirate pornography

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real cost is 0$ because you can write this off as business expense
it's better to buy this than let the state take an additional 800$ out of your pocket to feed a dependent population

a developer spends his life making a program and pirates say that because they are just making a copy and not stealing from the developer then they din du nuffin
if everyone were a pirate then the developer would be broke while pirates would reap the fruit of other people's efforts

piracy is theft

I hope you send Adobe a check with the full price of photoshop now that you can afford it.

You know they have a "Core" version of Zbrush designed for students and casual users for just $150 right? It has nearly all the same features as regular zbrush.

zbrushcore.com/features

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>see someone making a copy of my car
>call the police
>police arrives: "so, what has been stolen?"
>show policeman the stolen car
>"there!!!"
>policeman: "are you fucking trolling me? it's right there, open ur eyes"
>policeman leaves angry
>have to pay for police trolling
>lay down
>try not to cry
>cry anyway

Replace car with program.

Bought my license for I think $300, and have had free upgrades since I bought it back in 2003. $900 is fucking crazy though.

>150 USD
>if you want to upgrade 50 USD go directly into their pockets for free

Jesus

you sound like a socialist

It is ethical to pirate software to use it for non-commercial purposes, but if you plan to profit off it, then the people who made the tools that made it possible deserve their fair share of the profits.
You can't argue with me because you know I'm right.

There are other sculpting programs. Why aren't Sculptris and Blender viable?

it's still not ethical, why do i have to provide either education or entertainment to you for free? it's not a matter of not losing anything, it's a matter of not wanting my product to be touched by leeches

>literally the most popular 3d software in the world
>more popular than maya
>absolutely revolutionary
>used from everything from video games to blockbuster hollywood flicks
>but $900 is too much
Children who can't afford $900 aren't entitled to using adult tools

>proprietary apps
please bring back old Jow Forums. enjoy your "apps", son

People who pirate software usually are not professionals and never make money off of it. No matter how you put it, pirating stuff is never ethical (even if the developers are a bunch of cunts).
Personally, I still pirate some of the software that I use, but I don't pretend that what I'm doing is OK. My excuse is that I'm using it as an extended trial and I'll probably impulsively buy it one evening when I'm drunk.

$900 is complete ok if you're going to use as a job.
Aren't you making at least 50k/yr? $1k a year is pretty cheap, since it allows you to make 49k+ profit over it, every year.
There are tons of other jobs that requires [tool], IT people are just too butthurt to pay for [bunch of code lines] even than they don't code for free and complain a lot about stuff related. Paying for a license is no different and it's cheaper to sustain than most professions. What you need to put it on production?
>Internet
>PC
>$900 tool for the job and zero maintenance cost
Wow, that's so bad. OMG!1

>. If you want a personal modeling tool there are much cheaper and honestly better options now considering how unstable autodesk tools are now
as?

Thats not how taxes work in the US for business expenses, you're only saving a percentage of that. Also, that $800 purchase is also taxed, depending on where it is, multiple times in fact.

just because you cant (or dont) afford it doesn't make it prohibitively expensive. It just means it has no value to you. Which is fine, just don't make the case that because you don't want to shell out the money for it others can't.

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>perfectly fine alternative
sure thing user
>too much of a brainlet to use it
ah, the old "you're too stupid to use it" argument
attacking people won't make your shitty software suddenly not crap, just accept your inferiority and use it in a shameful silence

Zbrush is NOT an all in one 3d package. ZBrush only good for the high res mesh. You need other software the lower, production friendly meshes, software for laying out UV coordinates, Software for texturing the mesh, software for rigging the mesh, software for animating the mesh, software for rendering the mesh. Yes, $900 is fucking crazy for software that just makes high res meshes.

OP, they are expecting you to pirate this, so you professionalize on their tools, and when you get hired, the company that hired you will have to buy the software for you, as unlike you, they will get sued.
Call this the Adobe model of business.

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there is nothing that can do what zbrush does.

however, in the realm of 3d and shit like this, they license out to studios, these prices are never meant for a consumer, in cases like this I have 0 issue with pirating said software.

>indie architect
>in a europoor country
>needs autodesk software
M8 I hate to tell you this but I think you made some bad decisions. Have you tried emailing them about licensing in low-income nations?

3dcoat is half the price

the "We are the monopoly, and don't create anything new" tax

Like I said, children who can't pay for tools have no business using them.

Their support is complete shit as well.

How in the world is it childish to call in to question the value of a product at the price it's being offered at? Your argument doesn't make any sense.

for box modeling, blender is fairly good.

modo is also a good alternative, or at least was, not sure anymore.

for sculpting, you got blender again

but really you are using 3dcoat or zbrush, and in zbrush you can box model, or at least are able to replicate results of box modeling and depending on how good you get its fairly painless.

for cad, you got quite a few options free thanks to 3d printers, none are great but they are options.

Because adults understand that complex tools warrant expensive prices. Only children aren't able to understand what goes behind the scenes and want everything for free. Children and entitled millennials who are basically children.

their support is sending someone to you to make sure you paid for all the instances they think you are using.

>modo
lol enjoy a lawsuit

honestly i kind of wish more companies went the foundry way and got their software to phone home to catch pirates

never had an issue with this.

>lol enjoy a lawsuit
Only if you pirate Nuke.

>you can't (or don't) afford
>implying being poor is my choice

I'd download a car.

Ahh I see you have had the pleasure of dealing with the mossa... er I mean Pixologic support as well!

Nothing wrong with a high price if it provides value in line with it's price. My workhorse 3d package costs $4,500 and $2,500 for annual support. I don't mind paying for it because it's fucking worth every cent and more. At $900 I find ZBrush to be of dubious value.

sculptris doesn't have ability do be more than playdough

blender is getting there, but honestly a several hundred million polly model, its just not able to handle it.

They probably don’t care or don’t think they can get any money from you but they definitely got your data.
But I think they don’t care about pirated modo as much as Mari or nuke

If you don’t think zbrush is worth $900 you’re not worth arguing with.

Protip fire up a network traffic analyzer when you’re opening modo

How much of the ZBrush feature set do you use in a week? a month? a year? It's possible that you may find ZBrush to be worth $900, I don't and I wouldn't pay that price for it today. That doesn't make me a child, it just means I have different needs than you.

for zbrush, there is nothing else out there that can do what it does.

nuke is the one they give a shit about. the rest of what they have is just a means to get someone to use nuke.

Your attitude makes you a child. It’s the fact that you are so entitled that you believe that companies should cater to you. If you only use a few features, then use a free alternative or the cheaper $150 version. The price is for the full software with all the features, and I don’t know a single professional who doesn’t feel like he didn’t get his money’s worth.
Again it’s not about the money that makes you mentally a child, it’s your entitlement and attitude that it’s all about you and your needs

Autodesk does. There are law firms that specialize in defending clients against Autdesk!
scottandscottllp.com/practice-areas/software-disputes/autodesk-audits/

>and I don’t know a single professional
Yes, you don't know a single professional.

That's just the kind of reply one would expect of a child (or manchild).

If you're paying $800 for ZBrush as an individual, you're retarded.

If you're NOT paying $800 for ZBrush as a company, you're retarded.

Just you fucking wait

the "I'm not stealing I'm making a copy!!" defense is so dated. hmm what's the word for getting a product you're supposed to pay for without paying for it? I pirate expensive (and cheap) software/music/movies and I don't try to justify it with stupid memes.

>you're supposed to pay
well there's your problem, you supposed wrong

>ooga booga I ain't payin for whiteys computerz n shieet

>for zbrush, there is nothing else out there that can do what it does.
3D coat literally does like 95% of what zbrush does, just maybe not with the same workflow. But on the other hand has other tools that are more powerful than zbrush equqivalents like the auto-retopo

I have no need to pirate because I am a functioning member of society with a career and loving circle of family and friends. I believe companies and their employees deserve to be compensated for the time and resources devoted to software development; regardless of whether the software is physically "real" or not, a child possesses the logical reasoning necessary to confirm that downloading paid software without paying for it is theft.

Have a nice day.

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That's funny how corporate bitches bring up morals protecting (((copyright)))

based

How am I acting entitled? Pixologic has every right to charge what they want for ZBrush. I have every right to not pay it. Just because I don't value their software at the same price point as them doesn't make me an entitled child. Holy shit. Do you think I am advocating piracy or something? Because I am not. Piracy harms not just Pixologic but also the competitors. People who pirate ZBrush, but could afford Mudbox($10/month!) or 3D-Coat are holding back progress.

This is incorrect. Both Mudbox and 3D-Coat have enough functionality to produce professional sculpts. They may not have every single feature that ZBrush does, but you don't need all those features to produce professional work.

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zbrushes topo is better, zbrush also handles fuckloads of geometry better then pretty much anything else.

don't get me wrong, I would rather work with 3dcoat then zbrush all fucking day any day, but zbrush is where it is because it is the best.

fibermesh is a useful thing you cant do in 3d coat to my knowledge

no company which develops software designed for professionals (read: not gamers) gives a shit if you pirate the software, or would even discourage your piracy of that software, unless you make money using that software. Once you use it for commercial purposes, they'll pay attention. But for any software that you're trying to market to professionals, having hobbyists learn on your platform instead of your competitors' is far more important than scraping that $400-1000 out of a few people before some other developer steals the spotlight

Make a copy of those files and use the copy. The new files weren't made from student software, check m8.

That's some pretty piss poor logic. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. It's literally a single user license. Studios (aka clients) get the special treatment, not the credit card form and download page.

>Mr. Shekelbergstein
>Actually probably some developer in Lithuania trying to make a living

>zbrushes topo is better, zbrush also handles fuckloads of geometry better then pretty much anything else.

metinseven.com/blog/Ag4W/3d-coat-vs-zbrush-auto-retopology-comparison

The reason ZBrush handles such high polycounts so well is it's all CPU/system memory and it doesn't do any 'real' 3D camera transforms. That's why you have to keep an eye on your sculpt in another 3D package if you aren't planning on staying in ZBrush. If you want better performance out of 3D-Coat/Mudbox you need a solid GPU with loads of ram, gaming cards typically don't come with enough ram for sculpting detailed meshes.

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You mistyped capitalist right

there is no such thing as a pirate only people trading information. you may see it like a poor person stealing something they could not afford. but its more like going to the public library. its not like someone who used file sharing to watch a movie or game has never thought hey this was awesome I'm going to buy it or support the creators because I want to see more.
look how well the witcher 3 sold and it didn't use denovo.

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>what is intellectual property

Lol talking about games, children shouldn’t talk about things above their level

self important assholes shouldn't have weak delusions about random people being children unless they want to be called a pedo