/hpg/ - Headphone General

You mean
notebooksbilliger.de/sennheiser hd 600 avantgarde?nbb=8f14e4

Goddamn it ships here in Italy too. Based Krauts.
I guess I'm not gonna hesitate then. Thanks user.

bring back feet ===> great deals. What did they mean by this?

The current weather forecast predicts: more bass son.

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I need help /hpg/. I have to scratch this upgrading itch, and now I'm deciding between 3 headphones. I currently have a Fiio E10k. All prices are converted from local currency to USD
HD600 ($300)
Pros:
>Widely memed
>Lots of info
>Get to shitpost
Cons:
>High impedance, not sure if E10k is optimal
most expensive of the three options
>Narrow soundstage
ATH R70x ($238)
Pros:
>Cheapest of the three
>Probably most comfortable
>Most value (???)
Cons:
>Ridiculously high impedance
>Little info
AKG K712 Pro ($267)
Pros:
>Weebshit for a filthy weeb like me
>Most aesthetically pleasing for me
>Low impedance
>Champion of the anti HD600 circlejerk
Cons:
>concerns about build quality, especially since the production facility shifted
>have to order from amazon.de

I'm not sure about the sound quality for each, any advice would be appreciated

Is there any way to solve this problem? Levels are maxed in Windows settings

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>R70x
>383€ here, that's $471 after taxes or hypothetically $396 before taxes
Why can't we have nice things?

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A repost for a repost
This is part of the reason we would suggest some form of parametric EQ. It's a cheaper and more effective way to get there. It's also how they can even build reference EQ profile in these tests.
It might be a little tedious to correct, but most headphones have wild variations in the response, most of which are not bound to be likable.
For Windows users, Equalizer APO is a simple and free solution. Users of other operating systems may have more difficulties.

-R70x is like HD650 but has a metal headband with support wings. Also doesn't have that stupid Clampheiser grip.
-The high impedance is not a detriment to usability. That is the role of sensitivity, and the three headphones are roughly on the same order of (in)sensitivity.

musicsquare.de/158496_Audio-Technica-ATHR70X-470-Ohm-Kopfhsrer.html?utm_source=idealo_de&utm_medium=idealo_de&utm_campaign=idealo_de

recordcase.de/audio-technica-ath-r70x?sPartner=psmido

klangfarbe.com/artikel.php?q=5&w=1011&a=audio-technica-ath-r70x-s40378

bax-shop.de/audio-technica-ath-r70x-studio-kopfhorer?utm_source=olaedi&utm_medium=price_comparison&utm_campaign=olaedi-Multimedia&utm_term=9000-0016-0243&pup_e=6&pup_id=9000-0016-0243

thomann.de/de/audio_technica_ath_r70_x.htm?utm_source=idealo&utm_medium=psm&utm_campaign=idealode&offid=1&affid=229&subid=idealode

Sorry for not shortening the links, couldn't be bothered.

HD600, obviously. Outclasses the alternatives.
>high impedance
And low sensitivity, meaning the volume range is lower thus are the power requirements. The result is that they sound good out of everything. FR is unaffected by typical shitty sources with excessive impedance.
>not sure e10k is optimal
See above. HD600 can still benefit from higher end amps but will sound good out of anything.
>narrow soundstage
Binaural recordings sound as intended
+ soundstage explodes when the song demands so.
It isn't exaggerating the soundstage like other headphones, but it isn't inexistant like shp9500.
>r70x
Can't say, other than what I can derive from quick look at measurements. They're slightly colored (upper bass hump) and have ugly distortion in midrange.
>K712 Pro
Very colored. Buy if you are riffraff and dig the v-shaped sound.

You can just get or .

>I guess I'm not gonna hesitate then. Thanks user.
Remember to come back with feedback once you get them :)
There's not anywhere near enough HD600 owners around.

300€ is still a bit steep, and I just remembered the weird fucking head pads on Audio-Technicas, but thanks anyway.

>R70x

What's the point of getting these over the 650s?

I guess, but 100€ less isn't bad.
I don't want to shill any websites here, but Idealo is where i pulled those links from. Would recommend for anons who live in Germany/Europe. Helps sometimes

so it seems like it's probably going to be the HD600 vs the R70x. I'm not going to completely discount the K712 just yet, but I'm definitely leaning away from it.
Maybe genres will help. Although I do listen to quite a bit of pop, mostly Jpop, I also have a substantial amount of instrumental tracks. I know Idol Trash enjoys the HD600 with his songs, but on the other hand he has probably never tried the R70x

Yeah, but I usually use Amazon for reference when complaining about prices in different territories in /hpg/ because both American and European ones are easy to access and carry a wide range of items.

Youtube has a bunch of reviews of both. I'd start there.

>Also doesn't have that stupid Clampheiser grip.
HD600 grip is only annoying the first few days. It becomes a comfy sound mattress(tm) afterwards.

Not giving sennheiser money

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>What's the point of getting these over the 650s?
Don't base yourself on Tyll's measurements to compare the 650 to the r70x. One of the two measurements is wrong. Maybe both are wrong. I own both the 650 and r70x and they sound pretty much as Sonarworks measured. The R70X is much better bass wise.

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>Comfy sound mattress
You don't own them

Hey guys, haven't visited in a long time. I'm a happy owner of HD600s but... they're open and not very discreet. I still have to live with my family for now so if I am to listen to ero audios I have to turn down the volume very low, and even then I get paranoid whenever the girl moans too loudly.

So for that reason I'm looking for an alternative pair of closed headphones. I'm heavy into voice works so I don't want to pick up something thrash, I'd still like to have a nice sound, but I don't want to spend too much either since it'll honestly only be used for when I fap.
Budget : less than 100€.

>headphones for fapping
Nigga just use the cheapest earbuds you can find for that.

Don't buy a closed you need situational awareness. Just get something quieter like a KSC75. They are cheap, have great natural midrange which makes voice sound good, they're on ear but open and they won't leak as much sound as a hd600 on moderate volume.

Metal headband as compared to Sennplastic fantastic, and fit. It's a lighter headphone with less pressure all around.
It's not exactly like the 650. R70x has more upper bass. The peaks and dips in the treble response are shifted around a bit.

Years breaking in, figuratively and literally, the HD600 would suggest otherwise. It stopped clamping when all the parts started creaking.

Why do you masturbate so close to your family members that you're afraid they'll hear the sound leaking out of your headphones?

>Why do you masturbate so close to your family members that you're afraid they'll hear the sound leaking out of your headphones?
It's called
>the ultimate state of sennheiser fags

I'm not talking about watching dirty 3dpd porn in 240p, I'm talking about nicely recorded audios from dlsite.com. Earbuds wouldn't do them justice.

I'll look at it.

? walls are very thin here.

>trying to present hd600 as uncomfortable
The sennheiser haters are getting desperate.

Not that you've ever owned them

>The sennheiser haters are getting desperate.
They're really not comfortable. Most sennheiser headphones feel good. All hd5x8, hd5x9 feel good. HD700 and HD800 feel good. But HD6x0 are broken by design. They feel like shit. They're nowhere near as comfortable as a R70X or DT880 and the only way you could declare them as such is if you never really spent more than an hour with any other headphone.

Or at least having given Sennheiser money in the past and not wanting to give them money again for the sake of variety.

>? walls are very thin here.

I still doubt they'd be able to hear anything except for your dick squeaking unless you turn the volume up to skull fucking levels.
Unless you've tested it yourself and the sound coming out of the headphones leaks through your walls, I think you're just being paranoid.
Anyway, it's your money.

I'm autistic AF, easily annoyed by comfort, and headphones do generally give me a headache.
Except the HD600 are comfortable. Very comfortable. Surprisingly, even more than my old HD598.

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IdolTrash, I hope that wasn't you I was replying to

good pastebin
schiit a shit
sennheiser a soy

Bottlehead Crack is $300-400.

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>even more than my old HD598.
How much kool aid did you fucking drink. HD598 can't even be felt on your head. Did you have counterfeit ones?
youtube.com/watch?v=C7m4ZvED6pc

Thanks for your insight. I'll do some testings.

I'm taking a little break from my llsif jp event grinding. Umi + nico.
And I see a bunch of people here trying to spread yet another lie about HD600.
To dispel the crap:
>Yes, they do sound good for the price.
>Yes, they absolutely do have bass.
>Yes, they're well balanced, do everything well and lack any serious flaws.
>No, they're not uncomfortable.
>No, the headband doesn't break unless you are retarded.
>No, the parts do not cost an arm and a leg if you ever require a replacement, which is unlikely.
>No, they don't need EQ to sound good.
>No, they don't need an amp to sound good, although there's some benefit to having one.
The HD598 seem to weight less and feel like they're not even there when just put on the head, but for whatever reason ears/skull get hot/itchy after a few hours. A problem HD600 doesn't have.

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Hate is much too strong a word. Bored seems closer.
>The sennheiser haters are getting desperate.
The anti-Senn label is new.
Call me more names, I'm trying to build a catalog of names I've been called over the years.

I kept the HD600 in a drawer and forgot about it for years longer than you've owned the pair.
You still haven't got over your utter incomprehension of an introductory circuits course.

>circuits course
I've lost track of the conversation.

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How do I EQ my headphones (and speakers?) using Equalizer APO? Do i need to see their frequency response graph and try to "neutralize" it? Is there a less autistic way?

>How do I EQ my headphones (and speakers?) using Equalizer APO?
Take peaking filters and use them to nullify peaks and dips as desired. Or add a few of your own as desired. These are the most generally useful filters.
Each peaking filter is given by center frequency, magnitude, and bandwidth/Q. Magnitude refers the maximum value, center frequency the point of adjustment, and bandwidth or Q will refer to the range the filter is most effective over.
Shelf filters are like tone controls and that's about as much as you really need to know.
>Do i need to see their frequency response graph and try to "neutralize" it?
It would make it simpler, but there is going to be some end user variation in the product, as well as a simple matter of taste.
>Is there a less autistic way?
You can do it yourself, using your music and sine sweeps. Then you remove and adjust offensive points as desired.
If you use music, a frequency table might help speed it up. There is a sort of feel you have to get for this.

>It would make it simpler, but there is going to be some end user variation in the product, as well as a simple matter of taste.
Every measuring rig measures differently. You can't eq just by some measurments.

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yikes

Hi, yikes user.

That seems a naive statement.
Pinna realism is highly variable, and none seem to approach the mean geometric features closely enough. But even if you do assume that some particular fixture bears enough similarity to your ear, there is product variation. You are calibrating the headphone yourself in the end.

The KU100 is pre-equalized, I don't know about the miniDSP jig. It doesn't appear to hold to any standard.

Thank you. I tried to equalize my headphones a while ago reading random posts online, I think most of which were on head-fi, but I quit because:
1- I couldn't figure out how to use the graphical EQ, since I didn't know in which frequencies to change the gain or whatever those vertical slides are
2- I didn't have a DAC and my shit kept clipping

uh, if you make certain frequencies louder then you have to lower the overall volume, sweetie

this is what you get from a samsung monitor audio output

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At what level?

Woo Wa22 driving hd800s

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What are good replacement eartips for a tennmak pro?
Would just any IEM eartip replacement fit on them?

whats a parametric EQ? is it like a program? a device?

Fuck UPS

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Fuck aliexpress. Bought an a30/d30 stack 8 days ago and it still hasn't shipped. Should I just cancel and go for the schiit stack?

A parametric EQ is an equalizer with adjustable frequency, magnitude, and bandwidth. This is a more precise equalizer than a fixed-band graphic EQ. With a few dozen bands, you have a tremendous amount of control over the final sound of the headphone.
A digital parametric EQ may be bundled with the player, as a plugin, or a standalone program. The frequency range setting may be given as Q factor or in terms of octave bandwidth. Q factor is inversely proportionate to the range.

Equalizer APO is a program mentioned for Windows. Are you using something else?

I am not using anything. I just started getting in to this stuff today. hopped over from /mkg/

Are apple airpods worth it?

such extreme distortion on the measurments starts after 2/3 (66+/100) volume level on the monitor
it still can drive a HD650 loud enough but there is very audible distortion at 66 which disapperears with lower voulme

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Just like everything else apple makes.

no.

yay we have feet again

I want to lick her feet

I meant a different platform, not a different parametric EQ.
Proficient use of a parametric EQ will override whatever the stock response was.
You can pick on other considerations besides stock response.
Anything you want to ask about PEQ or about audio?

So, I'm seeing the Beyerdynamic T1p on Massdrop. Are they good ? Since I got my Denon D7200 I'm looking for an open-back pair which has the same "standard" of quality/price.

Or should I just save my money and get some DT1990 ?

I use windows.
so are you saying that by installing that program I can adjust the audio output from my computer to make it sound better even if i am using some simple headphones?

Do Denon still make good headphones?

The D7200 seem to still use Fostex drivers (despite Denon claiming otherwise), they appear to be well-built, and they do sound great.

I don't know about the former Denon, but that's really not a pair of headphones I regret buying.

You would have to be able to make those adjustments, and there are some caveats. But, you can easily improve the sound of any headphone with use of a parametric.

awesome. thats really cool. are there any programs for mobile audio players like that? for instance, i wanna buy a sony a40 in the near future. is there anything that works with that?

btw, you are being very helpful and i very much appreciate it. thank you

The hd800, hd800s, and hd800 SDR measure beautifully. I'm not sure why you guys waste your time in midfi.
My goal is to own an RME dac/amp, HD800+sdr, lcd2, and a focal clear.
What are you saving up for user?

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>The hd800, hd800s, and hd800 SDR measure beautifully
they don't
>What are you saving up for user?
orpheus

>I'm not sure why you guys waste your time in midfi
Money and diminishing returns.

>The hd800, hd800s, and hd800 SDR measure beautifully
> "fuck you" treble spikes and no sub bass is some how "beautiful"

some closed back.

>unironically spending that much on deprecated magnet transducer technology

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Ah yeah I used to be satisifed with mediocrity but now that I've heard true fidelity it is no longer acceptable. There is so much more to audio than the hd600!
They do and they sound even better than they measure. It was astonishing.
I think all closed backs suck. The market is composed of all the $100 models, then the athm50x and it's 11003 competitors, then nothing.
STAX is underwhelming, I prefered the hd800s and to some extend the clear.
They're perfect you don't know what you're talking about.

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>liking focals missing upper treble
Something tells me you don't even EQ.

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>I think all closed backs suck. The market is composed of all the $100 models, then the athm50x and it's 11003 competitors, then nothing.
The absolute hilarity. Try high-end Fostex/Denon. Those have pretty much nothing in common with low-end closed-back headphones.

>Ah yeah I used to be satisifed with mediocrity but now that I've heard true fidelity it is no longer acceptable. There is so much more to audio than the hd600!
True, but as I said, the gain is not nearly as much compared to the lower end.
The difference between a 50$ pair and a 300$ pair is massive. The difference between a 300$ pair and a 1000$ pair is still noticeable, although definitely less so. It's less value for what you are paying.
I will most likely still move to the higher end once I make a more comfortable salary, but as of now, mid-fi offers the best compromise and more value for the money.

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They're average for a Sennheiser headphone. The HD600/650 are unironically more balanced and a lot more likeable than the HD800.
Electrostatics are much better, but you need to go used or get one of the TOTL ones.

THX00/TH900 are not closed you nigger!

And the D7200 is not great.

I don't know of it.
The way most devices on the go get a parametric EQ on the go is by Android, iOS music players, or Rockbox. I don't think that the Sony A40 is compatible.
Few manufacturers include a parametric equalizer by default with portable devices.

>The absolute hilarity. Try high-end Fostex/Denon
You mean, the closed headphones that can't be really used for what closed is good for, ie isolation? If you're going to isolate nothing you might as well be a good, clean sounding open back.

Guys, I'm starting to worry about hearing range.
What's the highest frequency you can hear? I took a test today and I shit myself when I found out I had a lot more trouble hearing 20KHz than a couple years ago. Fuck.
How much do you think using headphones can cause this?

You can also get a pair of headphones with good bass extension, which no open-back dynamic headphones will give you.

Try Aeons.
21K, listen at a lower volume.

If I wanted to I would just use the hardware parametric EQ on my future RME.
Why would I eq when a company spent so much time, money, and effort to get a certain sound? I would just buy a different headphone if I didn't like the way one sounded.
I've heard the x00 ebony and the th900 and they're not very good user. I don't hate them though. Also, they're semi open although looking at isolation graphs they isolate about as well as an ath m50.
No a true patrician who only wants only the best value could likely hang out with the hd600 or dt880 or whatever they like for years. Shit, I did. I just got to hear all this high end shit though and coming home to my hd6xx was depressing.
I don't think you've actually heard them.

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I got tinnitus out of fucking no where. Literally from night to day, and 3 years later I can't listen to anything over 16KHz.

I still don't understand how I got tinnitus. I've never been to a live concert and I don't listen to loud music on headphones.