So it's very very good on servers, it's very good on workstations. It's competitive on gayming pcs

I don't think you understand what he's saying. Either that, or you don't understand what YOU are saying.

It's way more power efficient than Intel offerings
It actually has higher IPC than Intel offerings, and in laptops housefire clocks can't be used to get single threaded performance
Either way, any non-Atom and Ryzen is way overkill for ultrabooks

>way more power efficient than Intel offerings
How much we talking, because the lack of LPDDR support is a pretty big fuckup, power budget wise.

Will AMD ever release an Atom like product?
No, AMD E series dont count.

Yes, among other things it has lower battery life so you can't do this for as long before having to charge your battery. The speed is also technically slower but the difference is marginal.

No one besides Apple uses LPDDR.
Intel itself has no support for relevant LPDDR (aka LPDDR4), because it was planned for trashcanlake.

I said fuck it and just bought a gl702zc.

No, their entire Cat-core team was poached by Samshit.
A485 is coming.
That's about it for half-decent stuff.
Also Dell sucks Intel's dick so don't expect anything XPS with Zen from them.

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>No one besides Apple uses LPDDR.
wrong
also
>thinking 75% standby power usage decrease is irrelevant

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>No, their entire Cat-core team was poached by Samshit.

the same people responsible for the puma cores in the ps4 xbox apus?

>doesn't matter because Intel has laptop manufacturers by the balls
real talk, reminds me of the Dell jewery
Jewtel needs to get some fatter anti-monopoly rulings against it

>wrong
Right.
Again, Intel does not support the relevant LPDDR too, since CNL went straight into trashcan directly from the steppers.
Yes.
They made the Exynos M1/M2/M3 cores.

I use a work laptop with A12-9800B. We have had stability issues with them. They run hot. The graphics drivers suck.

>They made the Exynos M1/M2/M3 cores.

where did you get this info?

The half of my brain suggests that Samsung LSI does things.
Guess what they are doing?

>Intel does not support the relevant LPDDR
That's some pretty wild mental gymnastics to say "Jewtel supports LPDDR, AMD dont"
Look mate, I hate Jewtel's jewery in any sector they touch, but we've got to fight them here in the real world, not in fantasyland.

>That's some pretty wild mental gymnastics to say "Jewtel supports LPDDR, AMD dont"
Again, Intel does not support LPDDR4.
No one besides Applel would use LPDDR3 right now.
Kill yourself.

A)
>No one besides Applel would use LPDDR3 right now.
wrong
B) Intel supports LPDDR, AMD doesn't
C)
>Kill yourself.
You're really doing AMD supporters (myself included) a disservice with your fanboi attitude.

Just kill yourself, user-kun.
No one cares about LPDDR3.

>XPS13/15's
Not going to happen because dell is in bed with intel.

>If I keep saying it, it'll become true
Best strategy when competing against Jewtel, right there

Kill yourself.

If it's competitive on servers it's going to be competitive in laptops.

Servers basically win the market based on perf/w. A perf/w competitive server product can be scaled down to mobile products more easily than can be worked through to desktop products.

Isn't the low power x86 market pretty much dead? Competing with ARM is even harder now that windows 10 has both 32 and 64 bit versions.

Glad to see you ran out of arguments.
Re-read this conversation once the emotions have cooled, and consider gathering stronger arguments against Jewtel - there's plenty of those around.
Easiest mode: skim the scottish cunt's videos (adoredtv or whatever), but don't forget he's quite biased.

>32 and 64 bit versions
arm versions*

Atom does nice stuff in embedded.
Kill yourself.

Not exactly, low end Celerons and outdated Atoms cover that area.

Remember my words, friend.
I'll be happy when one day you join the ranks of monopolist opponents as something better than a teenage fanboi.

Kill yourself already.

>Every zen laptop yet is some bullshit 2-in-1
Just bought a Dell Inspiron 5575. Normal 15.6" laptop with a Ryzen 5 2500U.
dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-inspiron-15-5000/spd/inspiron-15-5575-laptop

It's no 2 in 1

>s way more power efficient than Intel offerings
Really we've resorted to lying? Every single Ryzen laptop performs significantly worse than Intel counterparts with near identical specs. Full load is competitive but mixed and light load hog power like nobodies business and Raven ridge is half as efficient in day to day tasks like web browsing and video watching. Every single laptop. Even worse using a nvme ssd is worse than a low power hdd because it loads the pcie lanes and it's actually less power efficient than a fucking mechanical drive. Ryzen is very clearly not made for mobile and cant compete while the likes of kaby lake are pretty much mobile first

see also

Everything you said is relevant to AMD's desktop CPU and GPU products, where AMD just gives no fucks about VID tables and gives every chip as much voltage as the design can handle.

Do we know if AMD adopts the same policy for their mobile products, or if they actually voltage bin their mobile devices? Are these mobile products binned for power efficiency? How many 2500Us have been tested?

When will these laptops start rolling out? Will there be cheaper ones good for multimedia production? I'm looking for a laptop and currently the best I could do is Acer Aspire 5 or 7 and Lenovo Legion Y520. I don't know what is the price of those where you live, but what can I look forward to in that price range?

$800-1100 depending on screen, brand name and options (like a dGPU or SSD) for a higher quality 2500U laptop should be normal.
Maybe a "barebones" 2500U laptop for ~$650

>=$1400 for a loaded 2700U w/ dGPU, SSD, 16GB RAM

>But how's on laptops, Intel's bread and butter market?
It does not matter, not even a little - because they are clearly locked out of that market. There's exactly ZERO Ryzen 7 2700U's in my local webshop. There's exactly one Ryzen 5 2500U and that's a HP ENVY x360 15-bq101. It's not like AMD launched these APUs last week.

>APUs will sell good
Nope.

>It honestly doesn't matter because Intel has laptop manufacturers by the balls.
This is obvious when you look at what's available. I remember when it came out in court that OEMs would lose money (due to Intel contracts/bribes) even if they got AMD chips for free. My guess is that OEMs have some kind of arrangement with both Nvidia and Intel that discourages them from using these APUs.

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Zen can scale down to Atom power envelopes, but I guess they rather get some marketshare from enterprise than going for the anemic ultra low power x86 market

OEMs fucking up intentionally, or out of sheer incompetence, doesn't mean Zen and Vega aren't more power efficient than Kaby Lake
Every test out there isolating the APUs as much as possible shows quite some lead from AMD

can i have some source on this?

>because they are clearly locked out of that market.

why? and how?

Gimme a fucking X1 Yoga with APU right this instant

they're probably pretty nice.
good luck finding one though.

trying to buy a decent laptop for a good price in Australia is hell on earth. 8th gen chips with vega integrated are out everywhere on the planet but here too

>because they are clearly locked out of that market.
that's so true.
Intel found a way to fuck them on the manufacturer side, where you can theoritically find a couple models, but they aren't much more than teaser products factually, and the fewer models that actually got to the market, you can never find them on retailers. They're either buying very few units a time and selling promptly, or not buying at all.

Those aren't zen, though. Everyone knows AMD laptop stuff pre-zen was pretty ass. The 2700U and 2500U look pretty damn good.

>resorted to lying
you're lying indeed.

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still lying

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I wonder what's tha? you uttered yet another statement with no truths

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pretty sure you told us another deceitful allegation

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the sound of bogus proclamations coming from your general direction. must be you again.

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oh my. you made a fradulent remark.

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your last fallacious asseveration.

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>soldered directly to pcb
spotted the cuck

>doesn't say ips
enjoy your shit tn

>soldered directly to pcb is cuckoldery
no argument there, I'd vote with my wallet for non-cuck LP-DDR

meh. I'm used to tn anyways.

screeshot came out a bit bad but you can read it all at
techreport.com/review/32743/amd-ryzen-7-2700u-and-ryzen-5-2500u-apus-revealed/3

and stop lying, while you're at it.

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No. You're just cherry picking. A 8250u getting 5 hours is an outlier of a particularly bad pick for the CPU, or most likely one with a dGPU sucking watts even with Nvidia optimus or w/e garbage they call it now. Ryzen's best is the HP Envy X360, which has 2010 era battery life.

notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Ideapad-720S-Ryzen-2500U-Vega-8-Laptop-Review.289046.0.html

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How many 2200U 2-1 laptops are around?

Not enough

>techreport.com/review/32743/amd-ryzen-7-2700u-and-ryzen-5-2500u-apus-revealed/3
>cherrypicking.
I quite literally posted the 1st google result and then looked a bit more for that techreport one.
I didn't even look that hard.
Also, more battery life results. now from techreport.
Remember to kill yourself on the way out.

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>Wheres the Thinkpads

>A485 but lenovo is slower than ass when it comes to tech

>posts AMD promotional slides as evidence
Incredible

this ugly bitch thinks I care.
Now that you mentioned it looks like one of those. I got it from techreport absent mindedly thinking it was theirs, do you really believe I'm putting that much effort in blasting your blue tinted gaping asshole?

I don't keep folders with cherry picked gaming benchmarks @ 720p, early bioses and cl18 2133mhz ram like you do.

>this ugly bitch thinks I care.
>Now that you mentioned it looks like one of those. I got it from techreport absent mindedly thinking it was theirs, do you really believe I'm putting that much effort in blasting your blue tinted gaping asshole?
>I don't keep folders with cherry picked gaming benchmarks @ 720p, early bioses and cl18 2133mhz ram like you do.
>so bootyblasted you post twice back to back
The absolute state of Jow ForumsAMD

>Every single Ryzen laptop performs significantly worse than Intel counterparts with near identical specs

why don't you readress this particular statement facing these benchmarks which I searched high and low, for days on end without rest, then.
I know why. because you're a lying scum bag who tries his best to ignore anything that might go against your narrative. Even when confronted by this entire board collectively.

I saw a Dell Inspiron with an AMD 2500u for about $600 on Best Buy website. I don't know if it was single or dual channel.

oh shit.
he was reassigned from the i5 8400 contract to intel mobile.

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Zen is stupidly efficient so it should fare really well on laptops.
The problem is that literally everyone is in bed with Intel in that market. They have to have a product that is superior in such a way, that they can't just ignore it. You can maybe expect that with 7nm Zen2 APUs.

>A485
>ryzen

lol you gonna take that shit intel?

It literally is RR.

Raven Ridge wins at power efficiency compared to Intel. It has equal performance to a quad core mobile i7 with lower power consumption.

Equal CPU performance, way better GPU performance.

clever intel scheme: intel core inside logo (give money to manufacture)

>why? and how?
Why would obviously be to make a profit. As for how, who knows. I don't, just like I don't know what's in NVidia's GeForce Partner Program agreement. But I can get a fairly good idea of what's in it by looking at the results in the marketplace. The same is true for whatever it is that's going on with laptops. Like this user said,
you just have to look at what's available at retailers to see that AMD is as good as locked out of the laptop market.

If you want to make educated guesses as to "how" then the long history of Intel fines for criminal activity is a good start.

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