Is it possible to view more than one line even if I can only edit one line at a time?
Owen Morgan
mksh, dash or ash this
Gavin Ramirez
yes you can print all lines
Kayden Gray
>dash, or ash Don't use those as an interactive shell. That's just retarded
Kayden Cox
How?
Brayden Cooper
It's, uhh, pretty nice. Do you remember the old DOS text editors? Jed is kind of like those. It can emulate Emacs and WordStar and some other stuff. Umm, it's, like, mostly meant for prose, I guess? But also does TeX and code highlighting and, um, things. And it has, like, mouse support... And it's really lightweight, as in, if I remember right, it's much lighter than vim, so, er... you can run it on anything.
I don't see how this illustrates anything other than you didn't set any flags on ls
Chase Green
Jesus, dude, just use vi if you really want muh minimalism. Don't torture yourself.
Caleb Ramirez
vis
Jacob Young
>G(nu)awk BLOAT
Easton Russell
What's a nice systemd-less rolling release distro? Precompiled packages preferred. I use arch btw, I want to get rid of systemd bloat.
Kayden Martin
void
Isaiah Murphy
The output of dir (Get-ChildItem actually) is a table that you can query and alter using various commands. It's structured data, not text. You can, for instance, trivially sort it by any field - filename, file path, dates, probably even permissions - using trivial commands instead of obscure command-specific flags. You can pick part of it and pass it to any other command that understands tables. And so on. I think that's what the image was trying to illustrate. It's not mine, so, whatever.
File browsers let you browse files. File managers let you browse and manage files.
Lucas Robinson
Well i checked nnn features and it seems like it's way more robust than mc, so something is off.
Henry Gray
Well, then ignore the list. It was probably written by some autist anyway. Pick the software you like best.
Jaxon Rivera
lrn2unix
any multi column output | sort -k [column number]
Ryder Ortiz
his example was bad, but the structured data concept is actually pretty great. It is, however, probably far from minimal.
Camden Walker
That goes completely against the UNIX philosophy.
Ayden Harris
Emacs is so bloated what's the point of using it?
Carson Baker
(1/2) While we're talking about shells, here's some info about the Rust shell. It's Unix-like, but deviates from POSIX in order achieve its goals.
>Introduction Ion is a modern system shell that features a simple, yet powerful, syntax. It is written entirely in Rust, which greatly increases the overall quality and security of the shell, eliminating the possibilities of a ShellShock-like vulnerability, and making development easier. It also offers a level of performance that exceeds that of Dash, when taking advantage of Ion's features. While it is developed alongside, and primarily for, RedoxOS, it is a fully capable on other *nix platforms, and we are currently searching for a Windows developer to port it to Windows.
>Goals Syntax and feature decisions for Ion are made based upon three measurements: is the feature useful, is it simple to use, and will it's implementation be efficient to parse and execute? A feature is considered useful if there's a valid use case for it, in the concept of a shell language. The syntax for the feature should be simple for a human to read and write, with extra emphasis on readability, given that most time is spent reading scripts than writing them. The implementation should require minimal to zero heap allocations, and be implemented in a manner that requires minimal CPU cycles (so long as it's also fully documented and easy to maintain!).
It should also be taken into consideration that shells operate entirely upon strings, and therefore should be fully equipped for all manner of string manipulation capabilities. That means that users of a shell should not immediately need to grasp for tools like cut, sed, and awk. Ion offers a great deal of control over slicing and manipulating text. Arrays are treated as first class variables with their own unique @ sigil. Strings are also treated as first class variables with their own unique $ sigil. Both support being sliced with [range], and they each have their own supply of methods.
Michael Green
>Rust stopped reading there
Caleb Johnson
(2/2)
>Why Not POSIX? If Ion had to follow POSIX specifications, it wouldn't be half the shell that it is today, and there'd be no solid reason to use Ion over any other existing shell, given that it'd basically be the same as every other POSIX shell. Redox OS itself doesn't follow POSIX specifications, and neither does it require a POSIX shell for developing Redox's userspace. It's therefore not meant to be used as a drop-in replacement for Dash or Bash. You should retain Dash/Bash on your system for execution of Dash/Bash scripts, but you're free to write new scripts for Ion, or use Ion as the interactive shell for your user session. Redox OS, for example, also contains Dash for compatibility with software that depends on POSIX scripts.
That said, Ion's foundations are heavily inspired by POSIX shell syntax. If you have experience with POSIX shells, then you already have a good idea of how most of Ion's core features operate. A quick sprint through this documentation will bring you up to speed on the differences between our shell and POSIX shells. Namely, we carry a lot of the same operators: $, |, ||, &, &&, >,
Joseph Miller
yes, it pretty much does. Although I have seen people even argue that Emacs does not go against the UNIX philosophy when you consider it as a microcosm in itself with every component being an independent program. Which IS an interesting perspective.
Nicholas Rodriguez
>churning through a fuckload of text just to do a sort
Yes, it absolutely does not respect the Unix philosophy. It wasn't even built with Unix in mind. That's not really a good reason to dismiss it or its ideas.
Logan Barnes
Why isn't nano considered minimalist?
Cameron Gray
It does one thing fundamentally right: More often than not when facing a problem you don't click a solution, you don't edit the solution into a config file, you don't apply an external workaround to the problem, you *program* the solution.
James Morris
> >when you consider it as a microcosm in itself with every component being an independent program. So is running a Windows VM.
>churning through a fuckload of text just to do a sort What?
>That's not really a good reason to dismiss it or its ideas. But it makes it wrong to dismiss UNIX shells like bash for being a UNIX shell and not being PowerShell.
Angel Walker
>Why isn't nano considered minimalist? It is, re-read OP specifically ALTERNATIVES.MD
John Collins
Yeah I get that it's a meme language, but what do you think of their ideas?
Logan Wilson
>14 posters >48 posters fuck my gay life
Ethan Johnson
Didn't read since it came after "rust"
William Foster
That is a bit of an unfair comparison considering how modular emacs is and how monolithic windows, but I get your point. It's a perverse stretch of the definition, yes.
>encourages newbs to install broken systems >encourages GNU's to switch to BSD fir meme reasons >encourages to run container distros on the desktop, introducing a new community of /sqt/ help: man doesn't work >spreads hate against gnu >spreads hate against any developers developing complete DE's or simliar complete works >spreads hate on linux being bloated >spreads disinformation (use zsh because no gnu bloat) >content if these threads is 50% ironic and 50% unironic memes without ant value Fuck your thread. It's cancer. Questions on mininal? Ask fglt. Kill your threads right now. Don't create it again.
Carson Lee
Don't forget the "systemd is NSA botnet" braindeads. This especially triggers my autisms. It tirns any botnet claim on Jow Forums into a joke.
Leo Sanchez
*turns
Nicholas Bennett
t. butthurt gnutard ehi can't accept that people are moving away from gnu
Ryan Wood
Even if it isn't a botnet, its shit anyway. Literally no reason for it existing. The ONLY argument poettering has for this bloated piece of garbage to exist is that literal retards (as in actually disabled people) can start linux. Not use linux, but start it. So that they can use retard-help tools in their login screen. This is why everyone needs millions of lines of bloat.
Anthony Thomas
>>encourages newbs to install broken systems everytime a noob comes here, i tell him to install xubuntu
faggot
Jaxon Cox
Guys, which is hardware bloat? Routers or modems
Ethan James
i've used w7 since forever, but i finally want to get into linux. what's a good distro for beginners but is also fairly minimal?
Lincoln Miller
xubuntu now fuck off
Wyatt Johnson
GNU a shit. Doesn't even have an info page on how to get a life, so your post could be avoided.
Grayson Davis
Ok I'm one of the original OPs (the OwO one), and everything you just said is wrong! >encourages newbs to install broken systems Usually they get pointed to Xubuntu. We used to have a thing in the OP post saying not to bother with this thread if you're not an expert at the command line and at GNU/Linux, but I took it out because people were complaining about it being too elitist, mean, and autistic. >encourages GNU's to switch to BSD fir meme reasons No. We're not pro- or anti-BSD or GNU. Those were simply added as an option. More often than not, the suggestions made in posts tend to be the old classic "install gentoo", or "install alpine" or whatever. Most don't even bring up BSD aside from the occasional praise for OpenBSD. >encourages to run container distros on the desktop, introducing a new community of /sqt/ help: man doesn't work You're talking about alpine? I'm not super familiar with that one, but afaik there's docs packages that provide the manpages. >spreads hate against gnu Honestly it's more like a love/hate relationship. There are certainly more /minimal/ options out there, but of course there may be some programs that depend on GNU's extensions, so it might not be feasible to move to a Musl distro. It's not like it's that big of a deal though. I am happily on a glibc void install. >spreads hate against any developers developing complete DE's or simliar complete works never. we just don't want to use them. And there does appear to be a bit of appreciation here for XFCE and LXQT. >spreads hate on linux being bloated fake news >spreads disinformation (use zsh because no gnu bloat) zsh is (somehow) more bloat that bash. mksh, dash, and busybox ash are the three commonly shilled shells, with my fave being mksh. >content if these threads is 50% ironic and 50% unironic memes without ant value welcome to Jow Forums.
guise stop fighting! *hugs* compare their resource usage in htop.
Carson White
What chart?
2760 vs 2924 pretty much the same
Ethan Myers
Install Gentoo
Ryder Sullivan
Is JACK minimal?
Hudson Torres
Hello. I have a couple of questions. Please be civil.
Is Vim really bloated?
I've looked through its source code and it seems it has a lot of legacy stuff - mainly support for some obscure systems that nobody uses and so on. Should it be of concern? Despite this, I've never had any problems with it, no crashes, no bugs.
Regardless, can I compile Vim myself only for my platform?
If no, are there any "unbloated" forks of Vim with plugin compatibility?
Carson Martin
Use neovim.
Justin Wilson
Code for other platforms is obviously not compiled into your build.
You can also disable most of VIMs feature at build time. On a lot of distros minimal VIM builds are used for a basic vi . Most of the space VIM takes up is used for optional run time files, like syntax definitions, spell dictionaries, help files, etc..
John Anderson
Micro emacs with your own patches
Bentley Young
Hi guys I want to set up a system without X or wayland. I want to install ffmpeg, but the arch linux package is pulling in wayland. Is wayland actually required for ffmpeg and if not how can I get ffmpeg without installing it
Alexander Cook
install gentoo and set no wayland support in the USE flags
Justin Johnson
source-based distribution would be a nightmare on the computer I'm doing this on
Daniel Taylor
distcc
Cameron Martinez
fine goddammit I just finished installing gentoo on my desktop though why do i do this to myself
Camden Powell
Hello. I'm having trouble building i3-gaps on debian. I followed every step from the wiki page until the make command. When I use "make" command I get: make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. And when I check the build directory there is nothing but config.log. What was my mistake?
