If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO i5 7500/7600K or i7 7700/K. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE >NO R3 1200/1300X or R5 1400/1500X. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY THE R3 2200G AND R5 2400G >G4560 - non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >R3 2200G - Gaming WITHOUT a graphics card >i3 8100 - Budget gaming builds >R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming (especially the i5 8400) or multithreaded use CPUs (especially the R5 1600) >R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper / i7 - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050Ti, 140USD; 1060 3GB, $200; 1060 6GB, $230; RX 570 4GB, $170; RX 580 4GB, $200 >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>I would like to stream and do video editing. consider an 8 core Ryzen then. that i5 is 6c/6t, in your case you could very benefit from the extra cores. Since budget looks like a concern get a 1700 8c/16t, on sale, or even a 1600 6c/12t. Pair it with a decent b350. Also, you could do a similar with ryzen 2, get some new stuff but likely losing on some old Ryzen 1xxx, x370 and b350, clearance deals that are sure to come in this next week.
>not calling out the fucking BD drive for $50 That's the real fucking crime here, I don't know what you're expecting people to do for an SSD. I got a 120GB SSD and while I'm fine I basically use it for NOTHING because anything would fill it up. 500GB might be a bit overkill at that price, but there is no winning right now.
I don't speak french, but just in case that PSU is non-modular, switch it out for at least a semi-modular PSU. You don't want any more wires than is necessary for a mITX build
Jeremiah Ortiz
$150 aint gonna do shit when I'm already buying a 1080
nah get a budget/eol'ed brand name, at least you'll get a bit of reassurance they won't break down after 6 months of use. Unless you're building one of those 9x9 double sided moira radiators, then shit gets expensive enough to justify going with chinkshit.
Liam Edwards
And get a S12II 520 for €60 or a VS450 for €45
Nathan Ward
I use other programs more than I play games.
Nathan Howard
holy get what is this even
David Howard
I purposely bought 1 stick so I can upgrade to 16GB later when the RAM will decrease in price (if it happens one day).
nice idea actually. Thought about EVGA B3 450W ? VS450 isn't modular
Dylan Perez
I shilled the s12ii first. I forgot that they weren't modular, the one I have has been sitting in the same system for a long ass time time. Modular psu's are much better, make a priority to go for at least a semi-modular variant. Seasonic still should be your first pick, though.
Anthony Howard
I'm searching for a new 1TB hd, any recommendations? Should I go with Toshiba, WD or Seagate?
Michael Foster
>bought an Intel K CPU without knowing how to overclock Is there any reference material for dummies for this sort of thing?
Ryzen 6 or 8 core will last you probably 6+ years like a 2600k did. 4790k is still good for now, but you might feel the need to upgrade in a few years.
No, that's overkill. Just get like a C1, H7, or whatever in the 125-150 TDP cooling range.
grounding issue on the monitor cable connection?
No. 3GB of VRAM in 2017 is retarded, and it's 2018 now. The performance of that card tanks like over 35% in some games compared to the 6GB model. It's basically the difference of going from a 6GB 1060 to a 1070 in those cases. It's similar performance of a 6 year old 7970 in some games, that's how bad it is. Absolute shit scam of a GPU. Better off just getting a 1050Ti 4GB which at least performs more consistently even if it's a bit lower on average. Or RX560 for that matter if you get the full die one.
From what I can see, there's tons of 1060 and RX580 in stock and no justification for these high prices.
2TB is good. Shame how many games have unjustifiably large file sizes.
Get a 2TB SATA SSD instead of 1TB NVMe, imo. You can't store much anime on 1TB. Also the 850W PSU is excessive for even Threadripper. You should get a 650W titanium instead.
1900X has what, double the PCIe lanes? Simple. It is slightly faster than the 1800X in some cases but you mostly get it for the lanes. Or as something to use for now before upgrading to TR+.
Max has been improved for Ryzen. Twice the heat pipes and better contact.
Newer Barracuda seem to be pretty good. Really good value.
CL17 is fucking awful timings for 2400. You can get 2600 CL15 @ 1.2v dual rank with crucial ballistix, iirc.
Intel says not to overclock.
Carson Roberts
Whichever's cheapest
Isaac Howard
what would be a nice machine to stream in 4k retro games run in a linux machine?
Elijah Peterson
don't know if they changed the site layout for something hilariously bad or if this wasn't exactly the one I was looking for.
For streaming or video editing, I'd get a 6c/12t CPU or above
>investing You're retarded. A high graphics card isn't an investment especially considering it'll be significantly devalued by the next gen (980Ti = 1070). An SSD would be a better "investment" because at least you'll use it for a long, long time and it'll save you time (equals money) and annoyance over that period. Most of the time anything better than a 1060 tier graphics card for 1080p is unseen "performance" anyway
>3GB of VRAM in 2017 is retarded >The performance of that card tanks like over 35% in some games compared to the 6GB model False youtube.com/watch?v=VRtCCMsbcnM
>From what I can see, there's tons of 1060 and RX580 in stock and no justification for these high prices. You can't see their actual stock. If they priced the cards lower they'd probably be out of stock again. They want sales, and higher prices mean lower sales
I ordered a Pentium G5600 yesterday, did I fuck up? Should I have spent the extra £20 in getting a coffee lake i3? Bear in mind this is meant to be just for work (nothing intensive) and web browsing/watching videos and films at 1080p as well as light gaming with a 1050ti.
Lincoln Rivera
AMD, both CPU and GPU, are the way to go for less headache with Linux, aren't they?
holy fuck you linked to a video that literally shows at least one example where the 1060 3GB is 35% slower in a game than the 6GB LMAO while saying >false what a retard holy shit
>You can't see their actual stock. If they priced the cards lower they'd probably be out of stock again. They want sales, and higher prices mean lower sales There's 115 different RX580 models on sale at Newegg. Even if they only have a handful of each, that's still significant stock.
Na it's fine.
Thomas Hernandez
Yeah because AMD is trash.
Chase Martin
You'll be fine though a 2200g would have been better, the dual core will bottleneck the GPU in a few games youtube.com/watch?v=55bmAN5VyQk
Leo Cooper
>2400MHz RAM for the Ryzen comparison Fucking Intel shills will stop at nothing
Brandon Ross
>AMD, both CPU and GPU, are the way to go for less headache with Linux, aren't they? its actually a very sad meme supposedly the drives are better because they belive in supporting linux but they also known to be pure trash and break. SO yea maybe going full AMD will work
Justin Watson
>Retard OP ads his redundant 3 low end cpus what a dumbass
Charles Phillips
>1060 3GB is 35% slower in a game than the 6GB LMAO If you're referring to the Mirror's Edge: Catalyst benchmark using Hyper (yes, HYPER) settings, the review specifically states that, while the 3GB is about significantly slower, the 6GB CANNOT PLAY AT THIS SETTING DESPITE BEING "FASTER" So, in conclusion, lmao fuck off retard.
Isaiah Torres
>expensive ram >budget build Fuck off most people won't go beyond 2666, if you're buying above 3200 just save up for a 1600.
2933 should be the bare minimum to get the juice out of a 2200/2400. And even then depending on the region, speeds don't affect price wildly. If you're going to pinch that hard might as well keep on saving.
Guess I'll just bust out my ole IBM supercomputer that will get 1 million in CPUZ and say that it's the best PC going and if you don't own one you are literally retarded
John Evans
If you're looking for something used, check youtube.com/watch?v=SMFs29g_a90 The max performance tier of graphics card I'd pair with a 2200G at 1080p would be 1060/580
Leo Turner
It's okay I informed a friend of mine who works at Intel to raise the price and just barely eek out gains on Ryzen so we can be back on top to gloat, bro.
Luis Murphy
8700k st 555, mt 4234 7700k st 496, mt 2648 7900x st 480, mt 5416
2700x st 495, mt 5313
it's only slower if you're getting paid to say it's slower. It's almost an exact midground between mt and st comparing with intel mainstream and hedt.
Oliver Ross
It's fine but the i3 is a pretty good deal. If you can cancel the order and get the i3, why not?
Justin Gray
But I thought multithreaded apps were the future? You fuckers flip based on whatever fits your retarded agenda. Not an argument. All of this over a non confirmed picture of someone's monitor. Remember when Vega 64 was faster than a 1080 Ti?
Henry Baker
~7700k ST IPC. intel fanboys gonna cry hard this week.
Hunter Diaz
>~ That's literally margin of error.
Anthony Reed
crap. that's actually a very fair point. 4 more days to go. We'll also have a round of bad leaks too before the nda lifts on the reviews.
James King
If i want multithreading then ill buy threadripper, retard
Jackson Wilson
>7700k ST IPC no, it has the same score but its at a lower clock so it means the IPC is actually better
Justin Richardson
So now moar corez don't matter after the 8700k kicked the 1800x's ass. Cool.
Asher Hill
What's the best AM3+ CPU cooler that's less than 90mm tall? I've got a retarded slim mATX case that won't fit a Hyper 212 or a big Noctua.
Leo Hughes
well there's a lot more to ipc than one single benchmark.
Justin Campbell
hey guys what about ARM
Thomas Roberts
There are no good ARM desktop or laptop systems yet. Get a Raspberry Pi and fuck around with it if you want to.
Ryder Lee
Isn't ARM inferior to x86 when it comes to performance?
Nathan Russell
arm processors are designed with power usage in mind more than performance, yes
Camden Russell
>Intel says not to overclock. Why?
Nicholas Cox
It's at performance parity and half the watts for some server workloads, but those are all for super duper multithreaded things. If you need single threaded perf it's still crap right now, although the gap is closing. If you want something RISC but x86 performant, get a Raptor Engineering Talos II And rice it the fuck out. >roughly Haswell performance per core >can have two sockets of 22 cores each
I'm getting a 1080ti and probably that new AMD chipset for my high end build. I'm trying to decide between 4k 60fps or 1440p with high fps. Which is better?
Daniel Jenkins
>what's the 8400 guy on? quite literally suicide watch
depends nice scenic and cinematic games like total war,or skylines and gta v is good for 4k if you like fps,moba or multiplayer rts higher fps will be good
How will intel ever recover after Ryzen+ and then Ryzen2 erode their marketshare dominance more and more
Jordan Hughes
if they started to be not fucking disingeneous pricks who uses shady business practice,multiple infractions on consumer trust and all around cum slurpers no one would be making fun of their indian and jewish asses
Carson Parker
I play an even mix of both with a tendency toward single player. Would it be worth it to get a high refresh rate 4k monitor that I can downscale to 1440p when needed?
Leo Ramirez
just go for 2k 144hz,i think 4k still has room to grow and become really something worth your while
Tyler Watson
>case have 4 fans setup >1x200mm front intake >1x120mm rear as exhaust >2x120mm side fan
How should I setup the side fans? Unfortunately no top fan slot.
Justin Cook
intake
Dominic Roberts
Ok, I’ll try that and see.
Carson Brown
>projecting this hard
Intel is clearly running scared with their 8 core consumer i7s and 6c/12t i5s planned for the next lineup. Zen will be in the next consoles, so that will be the death knell for Intel gaming dominance, which isn't to say that Intel CPUs will be bad for gaming, but AMD will have gaming parity within the next 5 years. Intel does still have the lead in foundry tech, but x86 is at the end of its rope. Whichever companies can come up with the next big computing chip will be the big winners. Nvidia has machine learning / GPUs, IBM probably has quantum computing, AMD is dabbling in GPUs and CPUs, but Intel only has CPUs that are losing relevance compared to ARM etc.
Ethan Perez
Fell into the RGB meme and bought 6 Deepcool RF120 fans to replace my old Rosewill ones. I expected to regret it quite a bit. >CPU and GPU temps are down by 10 degrees >Computer is actually quieter. Thanks chinkshit.
Cooper Lewis
>please respond
Parker Ramirez
nice delusion friend
Henry Peterson
bump
Austin Taylor
Well, I was adamant to post this but I guess you know your shit, Jow Forums. Current build: >fx 6300 >750ti oc 2gb >78lmt usb3 or some shit (got it real cheap) >8gb ram 1600mhz >120gb ssd >scavenged HDD from a dead external one, 1tb @5400 rpm >cool master PSU 800w
Now, I did want to get this ultrawide lg monitor 25um58 but I keep reading that such GPU won't even handle it at 30fps. I mainly use it for school/work but I also watch movies, some Netflix and have a DAC for music; play lightweight games such as lol, borderlands2, the witcher 3, pubg, and maybe one day borderlands 3, StarCraft 2 and eve. I thought "maybe I can upgrade just the GPU and that'll do" but it seems 1050ti won't cut it, and RX 470 will only pull medium at ~55fps. So now I got options. I could technically get a ryzen 5 1600 and change the whole thing with this prices >ryzen 1600 $189 >GPU 1050ti 4gb($226) or RX 470 ($216) or RX 570 ($236~$260), whatever that gives me +60fps on ultrawide 2560x1080 >some 350b mb $110 >8gb ddr4 3200 corsair vengeance $131 >evga 500b psu $63 >2tb firecuda sshd $70 Those are in usd the prices of said parts in my country. I can keep the ssd. So, even if its an upgrade, I don't think I'd be playing extremely demanding games. Maybe I could drop the screen and get a normal 24" 1080p led with freesync and change my GPU? That would be A Lot cheaper, although I could sell my actual rig for $342. So, any thoughts, Jow Forumsents?
Carter Bell
>GPU 1050ti 4gb($226) or RX 470 ($216) or RX 570 ($236~$260) With those prices, go for an RX470 for sure, it's way better than the 1050Ti. Pair it with a freesync monitor and you won't regret it, adaptive sync just makes everything look way smoother. Don't go for an SSHD though, it's not worth the premium you're paying, go for a plain old 7200rpm HDD.
Blake Brown
>sshd I could get a barracuda 3tb for $75, the store said they're clearing and that's why they put the firecuda for half the price (the stock price here is $147 for them, they sell it for $70) >rx470 People say they're superseded by 570, won't I regret it? What I think I could do was get the 470/570 and the freesync monitor as you suggest, and wait for the prices to drop on ram and ryzen then change the rest of the rig. What do you think?
