/pcbg/ - PC Building General

What's the best manufacturer for Nvidia cards, specifically the 1050 Ti, 1060 3GB, and 1060 6GB? They may have the same chipsets but the price difference is huge for a budgeted poorfag.

How much RAM are you running?

32GB

What are you running. I got 16 in my laptop and almost never max it out.

Up to 10 VMs, mostly for testing compatibility for a script I'm trying to run at work.

I pre-ordered this: newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145060&cm_re=x470-_-13-145-060-_-Product
and bought this ram: newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231939&cm_re=g.skill_ripjaws_v-_-20-231-939-_-Product
As far as I could tell these ought to be compatible, but I'm not certain. Does anyone have any idea?

How much will a 1700x cost in a few months?
Wouldn't mind replacing my 1600, but my b350 board probably isn't enough for the 2000 series R7's.

Cheapest

i3s can only run 2400 on a B360

The lowest I'd go is a B360 with a VRM heatsink if you're ever planning to upgrade to the i7 8700

Read OP

It's informative, unlike your effusive adherence to a single brand

1700 is like 230 right now at microcenter.
I got mine to run cinebench 4.0 pretty easily

>Replacing my 1600
why?

>but my b350 board probably isn't enough for the 2000 series R7's
why do you say that?

Figure I can sell it and with a cheap upgrade it won't cost much.
I have an MSI PC Mate, so it has a 4+2 phase and not the best vrms or heatsinks.
Doesn't seem like it's the best overclocker when I've tried, so a higher binned chip would be helpful I figure.

That's not bad, but I figure they'll drop a lot more when Zen 2 is out.

>I have an MSI PC Mate
thats sucks
if you really wanted to you could pay for a 2700 then sell the 1600 in order to replace your motherboard

I would think not, they would'nt want to discourage ryzen 2 sales.

This is amusing to read after hearing the dead socket meme for often

>order a $13 mousepad off of amazon from a vendor
>ships in under 24 hours

>order a $250 hard drive directly from amazon inc.
>hasn't shipped 3 days later

reeeeeeee

ive never said the dead socket meme
but its always going to be an issue when you buy a shitty motherboard
if he bought a good one he wouldn't have to upgrade

I know you didnt. I just see crap like
>intels socket is dead
>buy a b350 amd overclock with it with an upgrade path through 2020
I always imagined that wouldnt be some grest idea to cheap out on a mobo, oc, and trust it to drive a new cpu years down the road

>This is amusing to read after hearing the dead socket meme for often
Is right, I just got a shitty motherboard. Should've gone for a 370, but I was a fool. I could easily put a 1700 or 2700 on it, just can't overclock really.

>if you really wanted to you could pay for a 2700 then sell the 1600 in order to replace your motherboard
Feel like I'd lose a lot of money doing that. I'd rather just sell the whole system or keep it as a secondary PC/htpc.

Id just buy the 2700 and not oc if you really want it. The oc isnt worth the cost offset

Is Ryzen 2 a meme? Will it be that much of an improvement over my i5 4570?

Are these any good? Has the Intel graphics on it and a dual core i7? Worth putting this kind of money into it?

YOU CAN OC ANY RYZEN GOD DAMN YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID.

Bump. Curious about this.

>YOU CAN OC ANY RYZEN GOD DAMN YOU PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
He's referring to my specific situation. My motherboard sucks for overclocking, so the thermals and instability make overclocking not worth it.

Hey Jow Forums I bought all the parts for my new PC but realized the motherboard only has DVI-D, but my monitor uses DVI-I.

I plan to use my TV instead, will this adapter work to connect the DVI-D to the HDMI-F?

ebay.com/itm/DVI-D-Male-24-1-pin-to-HDMI-Female-19-pin-HD-HDTV-Monitor-Display-Adapter/302630876436?hash=item467634b514:g:h9EAAOSw~T9aewEt

uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/AlyssaDeadX/saved/4YxBP6
am i good? It's just exactly under my budget.

>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>*NEW* CPU exploits don't matter!
>*NEW* 1080p games don't matter anymore!

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Here's the build I'm thinking of. Not really planning on adding a GPU unless prices drop significantly. I'm in Flipland. I chose what was available from Gilmore but if there are better alternatives somewhere in the capital, I'd be glad to hear them. My total budget is around 46,000 (882$) but I still need to buy peripherals.

>Ryzen3 2200G = 5,900
>Asus Prime B350M-A = 4,990
>Vega 8 iGPU = 0
>Crucial 8GB DDR4 2400MHz = 4,500 x 2 = 9,000
>Samsung MZ-75E250BW 250GB SSD 850 EVO Series = 5,250
Cost: 25,140

>ram too slow
Haven't found any 3000 or 3200 sticks yet. Would appreciate some help.

>get intel
Give me money.

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Any recommendations for an M4 motherboard with the ryzen 2700x? Mainly for gaming / streaming, don't need wifi on it and the budget is 300 aud.

Is it okay to spend money on a 960 pro if the PC's budget is around $3500 or is it literally always a meme?

What are the proper steps to upgrading cpu+motherboard? I've looked it up a bit, and from what I read I was told I need to completely remove all drivers from my old cpu+mobo before trying to plug stuff into the new one. I'm considering switching from skylake to either the new ryzen 2xxx chips or whatever would come after.

has amd said anything about when navi will drop? wanna sell my ngreedia 1060 to my friend who wants to build a pc as soon as possible

i already have a ddr4 2x8gb 2400mhz kit that i oced to 2666mhz. would it be worth it to sell it and buy a 3000mhz or 3200mhz kit?

if you need something just get the evo

Can I put a PCIe 3.0 card in a PCIe 2.0 slot if the card draws its power through the PCIe slot? or does PCIe 2.0 not passthrough enough power for that? I'm getting a new gpu for older computer that has an older motherboard in it.

what OS?

PCIe 2.0 draws the same power, it's the maximum bandwidth that's different, the 2.0 can only put out half as much through as the 3.0 when maxed out. It shouldn't be a problem though for the most part, you'd have to be rocking the most high-end card on the market for the GPU to max out a 2.0 x 16 slot, and even then the performance impact is minimal.

Go look at Dynaquest PC for some of your components, they generally have slightly better prices, and they accept CoD as well. They carry high-speed memory:
dynaquestpc.com/product-category/memory-ram/memory-ram-lodimm/memory-ram-lodimm-ddr4-3200mhz/

Cool, thanks.

I literally just bought a Ryzen 5 1600 last week, however I see that the Ryzen 5 2600 and 2600x come out tomorrow... Should I just return my 1600 and get the newer model? Any downsides like an increased risk of board incompatibility?

Thanks to I've gotten myself a seemingly better deal and an updated list. I'd appreciate any criticism. I'd like to be able to save as much as I can since my budget of 46,000P (883.83$) also includes peripherals like the monitor and such.

>AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (5,500P/105.67$)
>Asus Prime B350 Plus (5,700P/109.51$)
>Corsair Dominator PT 16GB 2x8G 3000Mhz CL15 (CMD16GX4M2B3000C15) (12,000P/230.55$)
>Western Digital WD Blue 250GB (WDS250G1B0A) SSD (4,750P/91.26$)
>Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB WD10EZEX (3,700P/71.08$)
>Corsair CX Series CX550M 80Plus Bronze Modular Power Supply (2,200/42.27$)
>Corsair Carbide Series 200R Window Edition Casing (3,500/67.24$)
>Total cost 37,350 (717.57$)

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I won an Intel NUC (nuc7i7bnh) with last year's Core i7 processor (3.5 GHz Core i7-7567U dual-core processor)

Here is what I am planning on putting into it:
- Samsung 500GB NVMe
- 16GB DDR4 RAM
- 2TB 5400 HDD for extra storage

Opinions? Is it worth putting almost $500 into this? Any other suggestions?

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Thanks to I've gotten myself a seemingly better deal and an updated list. I'd appreciate any criticism. I'd like to be able to save as much as I can since my budget of 46,000P (883.83$) also includes peripherals like the monitor and such.

>AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (5,500P/105.67$)
>Asus Prime B350 Plus (5,700P/109.51$)
>Corsair Dominator PT 16GB 2x8G 3000Mhz CL15 (CMD16GX4M2B3000C15) (12,000P/230.55$)
>Western Digital WD Blue 250GB (WDS250G1B0A) SSD (4,750P/91.26$)
>Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB WD10EZEX (3,700P/71.08$)
>Corsair CX Series CX550M 80Plus Bronze Modular Power Supply (2,200/42.27$)
>Corsair Carbide Series 200R Window Edition Casing (3,500/67.24$)
>Total cost 37,350 (717.57$)

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looks a little comfy, but
>1 stick of ram

I made this budget build. Basically anything would be better than the laptop I am using now, and I figure I could upgrade in the future. Thoughts?
pcpartpicker.com/list/HjyNq4

If 500$ is for the holl thing then yes, depending on what you want to do with it of course. If you actually want to do some powerful stuff, you have to get the latest Hades Canyon NUC with AMD Vega graphics. First time that one of these tiny things is actually a potential PC replacement.
If you need to pay 500$ on top of the already steep NUC price then better not bother at all, just build yourself a mITX machine.

Don't fall for the used HDD meme, this would be better
pcpartpicker.com/list/hDxvWD

What happens when I connect my 780 and my 1080 with SLI?

was meant for

pretty sure they wont work, they have to be the same card for sli

What is the weak point in my computer right now? This is it: pcpartpicker.com/list/6BjMcY
I was thinking it was the GPU, but someone else was saying I needed more RAM. What do you guys think?

I'd swap the case and SSD for these
dynaquestpc.com/product/phanteks-eclipse-p400-mid-tower/
dynaquestpc.com/product/adata-su800-256gb-sata-3d-ssd/

well what do you use it for?

You can't sli them but you can set the 780 to be a physx card in Nvidia control panel
Basically a dedicated gameworks card

I use it primarily for entertainment.
One game on steam in particular states this:
RECOMMENDED:
Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS: Windows 10 64bit
Processor: Intel Core i7-4690K / AMD Ryzen 5 1600
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: GTX 980 / AMD R9 Fury
DirectX: Version 12
I am below both the recommended RAM and GPU, so I'm not sure which one will help more.

I'd get the cheaper Strix B350-F, the MX330 or Focus G, a 620 EVO and this kit
pcpartpicker.com/product/VC8j4D/adata-xpg-gammix-d10-8gb-2-x-4gb-ddr4-3000-memory-ax4u3000w4g16-dbg

Sorry, but you are misunderstanding me. I already own the computer, and would like to know what I can do to improve it. I didn't get it for the pcpp listed prices anyway, so I'm not at that much of a loss on cost. I was thinking of either swapping out the graphics card or adding an additional 8GB of identical RAM to make it 16GB.

If you use it to game the GPU is the weakpoint, you can get by with 8GB if you close everything else in basically every game, though both need upgrading.

>the weak point in my computer right now
Sorry, I missed that. How's that motherboard? I'd upgrade the GPU to a 1050 ti first

I quite like that build, can anyone recommend a monitor?

Alright. That's what I was thinking too. Guess I need to wait for the next series of GPUs to come out so the price might be closer to normal. Seriously I remember the GTX 1060 6GB being the same cost as the current GTX 1050TIs, and pretty much all AMD gpus worth upgrading too are sky high as well.
I think my RAM in particular rose at least $10-20 since I got it as well.
These threads must get so depressing.

Oh missed your question. The motherboard is okay I guess. I got it on a sale so I can't complain much. I haven't tried overclocking yet, so I can't really say much about its performance, but it hasn't given me any trouble so far.

your gpu will bottleneck you heavily especially if you want to play on a 4k monitor
RAM is rough but you can deal with that by not multitasking while playing

I use the monitor in 1080p. I just wanted to future proof a bit and I liked the pixel density. If I had more 2160p content to watch I probably would use it for that, but not for videogames.

Why didnt they call the gtx 1060 6gb a gtx 1060 ti?

There's a RX 560 for $160 but you'd be gaining 10-20 FPS, I don't think it's worth it. Yeah I got a 1050 for $150 here, now it's $225. Nice, just curious because I almost got it

If I remember correctly the 3GB one was released later

AOC i2267Fw or Acer H236HLbid

>pcpartpicker.com/list/fNYZfH
for 1080p gaymen what would you change?
asking for a friend.

Might as well spring for the 2600 since it's so close.
Save a bit on semi-modular PSU.
Try to get a 2 fan card for better/quieter cooling.
SSD would be nice first, do you have any HDDs to reuse?

yeah an old 300 gb green hdd, thanks man.

is a ryzen 3 2200g system enough for programming? I think i will mainly program business applications, do some web development on the side, light photoshop stuff and basic game dev

Swap the PSU for a 620 EVO

2400G would be better for development due to the extra cores for use in multitasking, compiling, etc.

What are you coming from?

*extra threads
Whether they're worth the extra $70 is on you.

Would I be making a mistake with pic related? I play at 1440p 60FPS and dont intend to change that for some time.

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upcoming fresh grad from a state uni here in our country, with limited budget. i plan to spend a couple of months practicing/self study C# (or any viable language) and hope to land a job.

i do have the system already built. guess i'll do some web dev and upgrade to a 2400G soon.

thanks

no other choice, i can't find a ryzen mini-itx mobo within budget with 4 RAM slots
i'm not buying 2x8GB because then a year or so down the line i'll already want to upgrade to 2x16GB, so for now it's going to stay 1x16GB so i can throw another 16GB Stick in in a year or so and not waste money on 8gb sticks.

Is Asrock still considered shit-tier garbage? I haven't built a PC in like a decade

If you're already on a 2200G then there's no reason to jump to a 2400G.

It's just between the two as a starting build the 2400G has a better performance cap. Stick with your 2200G until it fails to meet your needs (mostly how fast things take to finish). The chips aren't shit, just remember there's always better if and when you need it. An actual upgrade from a 2200G and even 2400G would be one of the 6 core or higher chips but they also require a GPU.

I managed to procure a Cooler Master Storm Trooper for $500 including shipping and taxes. Totally worth it because it's the classic model not in stock anywhere, unlike the horrible dogshit SE version recently released. I want to air cool the fuck out of this case, so I'm considering replacing the fans.

Which 140mm fans (or 120mm) are objectively the best performance-wise that is NOT a Noctua? Having a Noctua is absolutely fine, and I already have the DH15 for the CPU.
I'm adding 2x 140mm intake fans at the bottom, but what about the top exhaust? For optimal airflow, should it be 200mm or 2x 140mm?
Finally, would this fan arrangement be okay?

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P.S. i'm also not buying any other form factor because it's a pain in the ass to travel with and caused me to just leave my old PC with parents when i moved out

asrock has been fine recently.

Change the top fan to exhaust and not intake and you should be fine. I have the OG CM Storm Trooper and I kept using the 200mm fan. It's silent at Max rpm and still moves a good amount of air. However I'm using the HDD bays as stock with the fans oulling air in from the side. Have a single 140mm in the rear as exhaust.

I'm using a mix of CM fans. 2x CM Silencio 120mm fans on the HDD cages, a single 140mm Air Flow pro on the rear. Can't believe you paid $500 for this case.

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alright. thanks for the advise, user. i have my eye on upgrading to a Ryzen 2 chip (considering it will still be compatible with my b350 mobo) and hopefully get to buy a discrete gpu once prices normalize.

It's your lucky day im literally the fan autist of Jow Forums.

There are a few options here if you don't want noctua however I will tell you that the noctua industrial 140s are the best on the market out of anything so consider these sub par.

Bequiet silent wings 140s.
Enermax magma or Enermax twister storm. Magma is better IMHO and cheap.
Silverstone air penetrator 140s if they offer them.

If you want LED fans corsair has a new range of high static pressure fans that also have LED. Previously you had to trade off performance if you want led meme fans but that had changed this year with new releases.

Now let's talk optimization. Ideally you want the same size fans on exhaust as intake. So if your intakes are 140s use the same size for exhaust. 200mm fans are kind of a meme and I personally don't think they work well compared to high pressure 140s or 120s. Pressure and flow focus are everything two hundred mm fans have neither of these. Doesn't matter how much air the fan moves if all the air is going sideways and not straight.

Arrangement. Ideal arrangement would be three 140s up front. Two or three 140s in the top but usually two in the area of the cpu are fine. One 140 in the back. And ideally at least one additional intake on the bottom of the case preferably blowing towards the gpu if possible. That extra intake can be 120 or 140 it's all about how much space you have.

Keep in mind that intake does no good if it's surrounded by a mass of cables.

Finally. Never have more exhaust than intake it is always better to have slightly more intake than exhaust. I also don't recommend doing top side intakes some people here do that I think it's retarded do not fight thermodynamics.