/pcbg/ - PC Building General

write a mail to your vendor and ask what BIOS/UEFI version the mainboard comes with. Because they only store a few at a time and have a high rotation boards usually come with the newest BIOS/UEFI version fairly quickly.

what PSU? plan to limp along with old GPU until new releases buy new GPU then use old GPU on a XP or win7 partion/VM (if PCI passthrough becomes more idiot proof by then)

fuck i'm retarded forgot build link
au.pcpartpicker.com/list/tZL3tg

>try to make a budget build on pcpartpicker
>comes up to how much an expensive, top of the line fully decked out build was 2 years ago

oh no no no no no, where do you buy budget shit these days? Any companies selling prebuilts with AMD APUs or something?

What I meant is, does 3 or 5 months mining take a toll on amd cards?

Mining is usually far less stressful on a card than gaming for equal time spent. Most miners run their cards undervolted and underclocked to get the best perf/watt, often in a temperature-controlled environment. The only thing that's really stressed more on a mining card is the fan bearings, but two months is nothing in that respect.

Is it true Zen+ has superior IPC than Intel?

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Possibly? Doesn't matter though since Intel still clocks higher.

Who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to make a chart like that

Opinions on the Asus PRIME X470-PRO?

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>ipc
>clocks higher
Ahahaha

The only bad thing I could see about that chart is the choice in colors

pcpartpicker.com/user/brandonr4114/saved/nvm9WZ

Hello Jow Forums. In need of assistance.
>Goal
PURE gaming PC. 100% performance in mind.
>Small as possible
Portable PC that I can "easily" take with me anywhere. with a monitor of course

I just can't bring myself to buy a gaming laptop. If being portable is such a concern to me should I just get a fucking laptop? Pic related, a laptop I was looking at. Have one more pic coming.

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>Doesn't matter though since Intel still clocks highe
LITERALLY PENTIUM 4 VS ATHLON DAYS ALL OVER AGAIN AHAHAHAHAHAH

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But can it play older (single core only) games without any issues? FX was bad at this. No stutterng, no jerky play, just butter smooth play as with Phenom II. If not, then wtf is the point in upgrading? Yeah I'd like my video encoding time to get cut in half just like everyone else but not at the expense of my older games not being playable. Everything or nothing!

Other laptop here.

Also I have no idea why that noctua cooler is listed as incompatible. It shouldn't be, right?

Before anyone asks, I do already have a desktop gaming pc.

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Thanks, it's good to know that. I'll get it and eventually move with ryzen either 1600 or 2600.

Comparing it to the FX series is absurd and you know it.

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Zen already had higher IPC in a raw sense. But when people say IPC, what they really mean is an average number derived from popular programs with same clocked single thread on different CPUs. Obviously their metrics can vary depending on the programs used. Zen had latency improvements and Intel was hit by spectre patch penalties so its "IPC" might have closed the gap in a sense. If you consider programs that depend AXV2, those numbers wouldn't change much still.

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redpill me on ryzen 2
should i sell my 1600 and upgrade?

Not unless you own a 1080 Ti and a high refresh rate monitor.

It's good, what did you expect from x470

I don't think you understand. Doesn't matter if the IPC is 1% better, it's still 600 MHz slower. IPC isn't single-threaded performance.

Should I switch from my 8700k with my 1080ti

Why? It wouldn't be enough of an upgrade to justify switching mobo platforms, you might as well buy Threadripper if you need better multicore that badly.

What B350 mainboard and reasonably inexpensive RAM would you recommend for Ryzen 2700X?
I don't need much power for gaming, so no need for X chipsets and SLI. My main goals are:
1. CPU power
2. support for a lot of RAM (I'm getting 32GB at least, maybe even 64GB)
3. lots of SATA3 ports (6 is minimum)

would you recommend a dual core in 2018

>The high throughput places a higher burden on programmers and compilers to utilize the increased instruction level parallelism in ST applications
As usual, the hardware is already super advanced, but the software is behind and programmers are lazy pieces of shit.

bad goy

>2700X
Tomahawk

would running prime95 for 1 hour be enough to say that my cpu and memory overclock are stable?

No
Yes

Is 1080 worth an extra 100 euros? I mean I could just buy 1070 ti and overclock it for the same performance?

No, not when there are good affordable quad core options. The newer hyperthreaded Pentiums maybe if you're building for someone else on a budget.

youtube.com/watch?v=Mr2B0RJd7Nc

2700X is breddy gud, trading blows with 8700k in gaymen

Does it make sense to pay the extra $75 difference between the 8700 and 8700K (at least that's the price gap in my country), the extra 400mhz from overcooking can't make an extreme difference

No
youtube.com/watch?v=zM1agWIMGkI

Can someone explain me why this:
gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N1080G1-GAMING-8GD#kf
costs 80€ more than this:
gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N1080WF3OC-8GD#kf
and if I should consider one over the other, aside from the money difference? Adding up, is a gsync monitor a waste of money aswell? Thanks.

Thanks for suggestion - but that mobo seems to have only 4 SATA. Anything with more ports? And what kind of RAM would you suggest?

>tfw mining goys have permanently taken over every mid-high range card
>tfw vega 56 / 64 are +200% msrp and will never come back down

G-guess I'll get a used 960 from ebay for 60 bucks until navi.

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The Strix B350-F has 6 SATA ports. G.Skill is generally the cheaper option
pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#s=403000,403200,403400,403600&Z=32768002&sort=price

wouldn't it be better to buy a new 1050ti tho? The cost is pretty much the same anyway.
does that mobo work good with the zen+ or is it worth it to wait for the new cheaper chipset to be released?

au.pcpartpicker.com/list/9M37TB

Mostly gaymen, some basic video and compression shit. Designed to last for years with maybe a new videocard if it absolutely must come to that. What have I fucked up?

>inb4 everything

My current build eats up games like the Witcher 3 on ultra at 1080p60fps with ease, even while watching a stream full screen on a second monitor (if that matters). Do you think my build could handle 4k 60fps? Any caveats?

Ryzen 5 1600 (OC'd to 3.8ghz)
16gb ddr4 3200
Evga nvidia 1060 6gb
500w evga psu

With BIOS updates it should work fine but the new ones are already out, this is the cheapest one
pcpartpicker.com/product/TWzkcf/gigabyte-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming-atx-am4-motherboard-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming

>8-core AMD CPU barely faster than a 6-core Intel
Intel isn't even trying either, that's just a Skylake with 6 cores

What's a good graphics card for 1440p at 120fps?

>update bios from 5-6 revisions behind
>resuming from sleep/standby hangs at CPU error debug LED
Thanks MSI... Now to wait again.

Planning to get a Ryzen 2600X, what motherboard chipset should I aim for? May do a little overclocking but not much. I see these new X470 and B450 chipsets being released at the same time, is it worth using them?

most games don't even use 4 cores which is why the 2600X is barely slower than the 2700X

none

Pls

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Unless they're noticeably more expensive, it's probably worth getting them over 300-series. It's a bit early to tell, as far as I can tell all benchmarking has been done on x470 chipsets and although some reviewers have tested 1st gen Ryzen on 400-series, I haven't yet seen anyone do the reverse.

You could get a B350 board to save some money
microcenter.com/product/5001828/AMD_Ryzen_5_2600X_with_Wraith_Spire_Cooler,_ASUS_ROG_STRIX_B350-F_Gaming_CPU-Motherboard_Bundle
pcpartpicker.com/list/cDfZfH

anandtech.com/bench/product/2048?vs=2109

Tfw faggot nvidia not giving any release dates so im stuck contemplating upgrading now or waiting for volta

Any tips for buying GPU used?

seems like a big gamble but I don't know what I'm doing, seems for a budget its great value if the card works

>4k
>1060

nah

youtube.com/watch?v=wF0T4ipGDdo

tldr is look for older used gens, which miners haven't touched, if you want minimal performance loss with huge money savings

thanks. got my 2400mhz ram to 3000mhz stable for 1 hr so im pretty happy with that

Not worth it

Get a 600W psu

1080ti

Partpicker that bad with power estimations?

Techyescity benched the 300 and 400 boards and said he didnt notice a difference

Guess so. Id buy a 650w for that personally. Maxing out your psu with OC will cause voltage droop over premature death over time

He's talking bullshit, that system won't even use 400W in a worst case scenario, the 550W PSU is more than plenty

No modern PSU will have significant voltage drop or ripple under load, nor will it die prematurely because it'll have to deliver like 60% of what its rated for under load. You are misinformed, atop talking out of your ass

When RAM will go down?

Don't they require flashing to be compatible with the new CPUs? How would I flash it without a working CPU already? My current is an intel cpu.

>maxing out components doesnt wear them out faster
Ur dumb 2700x and 1080 pull a fuckload of wattage when you oc both and 400w is not enough dumb mong

>what are efficiency curves and futureproofing for eventual ocing or more powerful components
You're the one that should stop talking out of your ass, giving tips when you learn that 400

>no idea why that noctua cooler is listed as incompatible.
The cooler is 70mm high. The Sugo SG13 can only fit coolers up to 61mm in height.
>Samsung - 850 Pro Series 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Do you really need the ability (and warranty) to write ~82GB every day for 10 years? Because for what that thing costs, you could get a 1TB NVMe SSD - or else save some money by going with a 1TB 850/860 Evo.

It does not if it is properly built. Many PSU OEMs use the same model for the ~400-800W range with only slight modifications on the secondary side. Even when OC'd they won't draw more than ~150+300W under torture load, much less under normal usage scenarios.

>muh .5% more efficiency
As if that's going to make any difference. And I already pointed out why the life expectancy argument is bullshit.

Why is this board so retard? The amount of disinformation i read on here daily is insaine. People actually listen to this crap and i feel bad for them

>futureproofing
GPU power consumption isn't going up. Besides dual GPU cards and power modded stuff there still was nothing that uses more than a GTX 580.

>Do you really need the ability (and warranty) to write ~82GB every day for 10 years?

I was an early adopter with SSDs so I'm still a little paranoid on wear (even though they turned out to be much more rugged then expected). You are right though, but not sure NVMe is worth the money.

Also occurs to me I didn't put a sound card in there either. Money saved on the SSD can go to that I guess.

I'm building a PC for a friend, but I'm not really sure wheter to tell him to get the 2600X or the 8600k. The PC will be used mainly for gaming&VR. Since he'll be playing VRChat, and that game is very cpu intensive, I'm not sure if I should sacrifice the potential future proofing of the extra threads on ryzen for the slight performance increase. What do you guys think? Budget is kinda limited and the build should hold for the next few years. 2600X or 7600k? I'm learning heavily towards AMD since it will probably age better.

2600X is an i5 contender, 2700X is an 8700/K contender.

You can't go wrong with either side, it comes down to cost and as you mentioned future upgrade options.

Do you know the source of the paper in your pic? Seems like an intresting read.

I have a Ryzen build and I'm buying a video card in the near future.
Should I save up more money and get one of the scarcely available AMD cards? Will it perform much better with the other AMD components compared to an nvidia card?

It makes absolutely no difference. Get whatever card is the best deal for your price and performance segment.

pcpartpicker.com/product/6shj4D/asus-geforce-gtx-1080-8gb-video-card-rog-strix-gtx1080-8g-gaming

saved you $20.
you're welcome.

1070ti is only 5% slower. they're $550. you can mine better on them.

if power is a concern, you can undervolt the rx570, they have lots of overhead voltage and you'll save tonnes of watts.

That's a fucking 2700X my dude, 8c/16t, if you overclock it to 4.3/4.4 GHz it will consume quite a lot.

Agner Fog I think? Not that user btw

Yeah Agner Fog's optimization guide for assembly programmers and compiler makers
agner.org/optimize/#manuals

I don't think it's ryzen 2 that dramatically increased memory compatibility. I think it is more related to BIOS updates necessary to support them. I've done 3 builds so far and every stick of off-brand DDR4 that I've thrown at them has worked since late last year.

Asked him and he said he'd prefer longetivity, so 2600X it is. Any good motherboards to pair it up with? Would be nice to have as much usb bandwidth as possible for the oculus sensors.

>decide it's finally time to upgrade since ryzen+ is out
>€500 just for cpu+mobo+ram
reeeee