AT LAST I will finally be able to get rid of Facebook and WhatsApp

12'th times a charm

does people still use sms?

I'll stick to Telegram, thanks.

I think it will be useless SMS app , its the network that have to change , why still compress to 3mo everything is 2018 i want send 1go videos by MMS you gay ass celltowers

>Telegram
developed by Telegram Messenger LLP, a privately held company registered in London, United Kingdom

that shit's not safe at all

this and also Allo could've been good if it actually had E2EE

I do.
It is superior to IM in almost every way except encryption and silence handles that.

americuck here, yes we do
There is still no unified SMS replacement in the US unless you count Facebook Messenger, but I don't use that shit

SMS is slow as fuck and sometimes doesn't even send correctly

Not an app

Not an argument

>It is superior to IM in almost every way

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Hangouts has come a long way. I work for a large company that is all in on google products and we’ve driven a lot of the hangouts improvements. Video quality it now great, meetings support 25 people now or maybe more even, and it supports recording. And now that I’ve typed this all of these features are really in the newer “meet” product which I guess is separate from hangouts?

You're right, I'm just saying that you'll need to read the article more carefully. Google's "Chat" isn't an app but a protocol. It's like calling SMS an "app".

>msn messenger
i miss her bros

low power consumption.
free.
no setup required, so everyone can use it.
phone numbers are easy to remember, so telling people your message ID is easy in conversation.
And it works on any phone made in the past 20 years.

>phone numbers are easy to remember, so telling people your message ID is easy in conversation.
Mmmwhat

>SMS

wow, amazing! What's next, an unified uber-like system to request people to polish your carriage and brush your horses?

I dunno man
I'm a Britbong who makes audio calls to my sister in Germany (dunno if that makes a difference, just throwing it in there)
The audio is always terrible. Can't catch the beginnings and end of sentences, even words. Like it has some super aggressive auto mic-on-mic-off thing to save on data? But the end result is it's unusable for audio. Been this way for years.

We had to switch to Skype, which is much much much better.

Actually I guess the video is ok, but it's poitnless without good audio.

>low power consumption
what kind of shitphone do you use?
>free
all IM apps are free
>no setup required
just because your shitphone comes preconfigured, if it doesn't you have to take it to your carrier
>phone numbers are easy to remember
nicknames are easier

also, no encryption, limited by carrier, limited number of characters, no media

you're fucking retarded

Only Wire and Signal are free, maybe Telegram, but homebrew encryption kills it

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isn't crapitalism great. hundreds of proprietary protocols and nothing works with each other. awww shucks. looks like our shitty system is broken again. lets apply a little socialism to fix it.

real men run their own jabber server

isn't project fi a carrier, not an app?

It was shit. Google chat before it was better and based on xmpp so you could use any other client.

Hangouts was just a downgrade. They should have stuck with xmpp and just enabled every useful extension over time.

I like FB Messenger and Hangouts fine. They both work seamlessly on PCs and phones. Never gonna use any "mobile-first" communication platform when I'm at a computer most of the time.

Because I was comparing it to IM in general, this is an issue for a lot of IM systems.
From ICQ to tox, I have seen a lot of systems that are a pain to setup and a pain to convince others to use.

IM requires internet, so waking up the device to check for messages drains the battery faster than SMS.
The workaround most modern clients use is to send you an SMS to wake up the device and then check for messages.

>all IM apps are free
Modern IM apps (that use SMS to wake up the device) are not free. At a minimum, they require Google Play Services and GPS anything but free.
>>no setup required
>just because your shitphone comes preconfigured, if it doesn't you have to take it to your carrier
You buy a sim card from your carrier and put it in a phone.
The sim card have pre-configured the network settings. That doesn't change if I send text over the internet.
>nicknames are easier
Depends on the system, but it can be.

>no encryption
I just tell people about silence.
Those who change will get encrypted messages, others still work.
>limited by carrier
In what way?
>limited number of characters
Not a huge issue. I can always call people.
>no media
That is a good thing.

Telegram is based in the UK so it's definitely not safe.
Signal was great when it was called redphone, now it got acquired by Twitter and american companies can't be trusted.
Wire is developed in switzerland but the servers are in germany, and germans sure like surveilance too, can't be trusted either

Why are wires servers not in Switzerland? That kind of kills their selling point

Yes, because everyone already has it. I'm not going to try to convince my coworkers to download telegram or signal or something else or something else just to send a message. No one wants to make an account, since we all already have phone numbers.
I don't get the point of people not using SMS. It works fine, and its all normies will use.

from description on play store:
>Wire follows strict Swiss data protection laws and all our servers are based in Germany and Ireland.

>The workaround most modern clients use is to send you an SMS to wake up the device and then check for messages.
No, the work around for modern devices is a low powered main service that maintains a connection to a push server that can send a message to the device so that when the device partially wakes every minute or so to check for events it can see it needs to wake up fully so apps can parse their new push messages.

Incompatible protocols cannot be blamed on capitalism. There is plenty of redundancy and lack of interopperability in free protocols too.

>hangouts
I have never met a single person that uses this. I never had a phone where I didn't disable this shit immediately.

>silence has encryption
Only if the other person is using silence. SMS is inferior to IM in every way.
>media sharing
>file sharing
>not nearly as limited messages
>voice chat
>group chat
>group voice chat
>video chat
>completely free of charge no matter where you are and where the receiving people are
>some IMs support encryption and are better for privacy (example; Wire)
>modern IMs have desktop clients and are kept in sync
>don't require SIM cards

retardation

I will still use iMessage because Apple pretends to respect my privacy. (((Google))) is literally the jewish botnet.

allowing facebook to outbid them for whatsapp was the single biggest mistake google has made in recent years.

bonjour mon ami francais

only poor americunts are still using sms. They have metered data plans and they rely more on sms than an African shithole to do stuff.

Hangouts was SMS integrated too, but not anymore.

Apple has proven to share loads of stuff with Google..

Apple uses Google's servers

I do, because it serves its purpose of simple messages that don't need immediate response. And everyone has it, even dumbphone users.

WhatsApp is encrypted though, why would you care if it's owned by Facebook they can't even access anything?

It's called being American, all of our numbers are easy to remember, I've known the numbers of everyone I know since around the 3rd grade

>implying they didn’t intentionally weaken it

SMS isn't tied to one Big-Brother-esque corporation, why do you want it dead, dumb ludites?