/pcbg/ PC Building General

is this good for gaymen?
pcpartpicker.com/list/pZby4q

Have you been living under a rock?

that was my question.

>removing the 8700k

Oh look AMD shills strike again

I can get a ThinkCentre M58 for 40 dollars. I have a spare 8gb ddr3 stick at home and a 750ti. Should I take the offer? I'll only do presentations, browse and do some light gaming.

>inferior quality
youtube.com/watch?v=VEUG9d4Mjug

get fucked intel shill.
even the pcb looks shittier on the 8700k

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Ok, you get practically no benefits.

I want a PC only for browsing and programming, no gaming, my options are:

amd 1600 + gt 1030 = 230€
2200g 95€ but I read that in linux the iGPU has problems, if I'm not gaming should I be safe with the 2200g?
G4560 50€

Incoming blog post
I'm a 3rd year comp sci student and have been using a MBP since freshman year. It's got the job done so far but i just love battle station threads and the idea of pc gaming and I want to get a portrait display one day for easy viewing while coding. Also would like to have something that can handle a decent video editing software.

What type of budget should I be looking at?
I really like the nzxt itx case are they worth it?

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Your CPU choices are what we dictate them to be, not based on your needs. And that's a good thing!

AMD drivers are sh-
>Nvidia released its latest GeForce Game Ready Driver to the public just a few hours ago, it is version 397.31 WHQL. The driver release came along with the usual release notes, blog post, and encouragement to download and be ‘game ready’ for a couple of new PC titles. In this case it was BattleTech, and Frostpunk. However, since release there has been a steady stream of problems reported on the official Nvidia GeForce support forum. These are quite serious problems, so you might want to pause any GeForce software update plans for now…

>Latest Nvidia Game Ready driver issue: an endless PC reset loop

the apu's aren't fully compatible yet. If you can't wait the 1600 should a better bet.

Liquid cooling is a meme, get top tier cooler on air

2700X for an 600 euro machine would be very difficult.

>get top tier cooler on air
like what

Nh-d15 usually places near the top of benchmarks.

So, have GPU prices finally normalized?

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900$ for a 2 year old flagship isnt normal

DELET

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Isn't msrp $600?

amd next gen gpus better be good

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Complete /pcbg/ noob here
What’s the first step in building a PC?
Do you need to buy a pre-made PC first and then replace bits as needed? Or should you just buy a motherboard? Do you need a chassis to put all the parts in?

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That's the 1080 MSRP the 1080ti was higher.

I will go with this build then
ASRock AB350 Pro4
AMD 1600
Crucial Ballistix Sport LT DDR4-2400 16-16-16
Corsair Vengeance 550M
GT1030
Fractal Design R5
530€ in total.. not bad, I don't care too much about faster RAM

>What’s the first step in building a PC?
Declaring our intended usage of the computer that is to be built.
No.
No.
No.

I'm starting to think even $1800 is overspending to be honest.

>performance per dollar
>it's based on gaming
lol

>What’s the first step in building a PC?
getting the money
no.
kinda, it's a good idea. you need to become a bodhisattva before you're able to attach a cpu to your forehead.
it's very convenient, but you don't need one technically.

why does speccy don t recognize my cpu?

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99% of peeps in this thread build pcs for gaymen purposes

btw, PGA (amd mainstream) are much more convenient for that. FPGA tend to fall all the time. It gets annoying after a while

If you're getting Threadripper 1950X, $1800 is ok for a build. That's $720 for the CPU with the sales now, and $1080 for the rest.

Why not the 2666 Ballistix LT? They are better binned dies that OC better. Both are the same 1.2v.
You said you don't care about faster RAM, but unless the 2400 is like 15% cheaper, I'd get the 2666.
Also the Seasonic 550w is on sale now.
Rest is solid except maybe you could get a better used GPU for the same price?

Okay fine. It still doesn't factor in the frametimes. If it's for gaming, it should be "smoothness per dollar". Going by average FPS is retarded.
It also doesn't factor in that no one disables all windows services, their network i/o, and the only program they have running is the game.
TPU is shit.

>v1.29.714
Have you tried updating Speccy?

used quadcore shitbox for

thanks, this worked :3

if you arent gonna decode 4k video and can wait 5 extra seconds compiling the linux kernel, any cpu since 2008 will do
get a used prebuilt

everytime i want to open a URL by left clicking, in steam or hexchat it crashes the programm.
any help`?

isnt 520 eurodollars the msrp for a 1080? Also would a 2600x suffice for doing vm network testing and gaming/streaming? I am budget limited and could upgrade to zen3 selling the 2600x next year if needed.

8400 is still the best value for good gaming performance, stay mad drone

i'd recommend getting an ancient prebuilt for < 30 and fucking around with it until you arent scared of plugging the shit in
then slap in a 1060/580 and play all the gayms with great fps

The G4560 will do just fine, or really any modern CPU with 4 threads unless you're doing an insane amount of work which from the way you put it is unlikely. The current budget CPU from Intel at the moment is the G5400 or i3 8100 though, get the latter if you can.

No, stop shilling that cancerous meme cpu that belongs in 2008.

I'm all for quad cores and above, that's why I told him to get the 8100 if he could, but there's nothing shameful in saving money and getting the reasonable minimum you need for your actual use case. Even if the amount you save is enough for just a nice dinner, that's still a nice dinner man.

I don't want to pay $360 for a 1060 6GB.

Browsing and programming in these days isn't what it was in terms of system requirements in 2008.

>intel in charge of innovation
tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-10nm-earnings-amd,36967.html

yet another year of 14nm

>stuttering is best gaming performance
ecks dee

You mean a G5400?... But even still that thing only gets 30fps in some games from the past 2 years.
It's well worth spending the extra $40 for a 2200G especially since you can overclock and it's not on a dead chipset.
I think a G5400 is fine if you're building a PC for your grandparents who just play casino games on their PC, browse the web, and read email. But even still a 2200G isn't much more and is a better choice for that.

You can get an RX580 8GB for effectively ~$285 in the new bundles with R5 1600 and b350 board. Not a bad deal. Even if a 1600 is notably slower than a 2600X, you can upgrade to 7nm next year.

will a 2700x lose anything by being paired with a b350-f strix, if i plan to do a static overclock?

also, is the set of cores oriented vertically or horizontally when mounted in the motherboard? i just want to know how many of my heatsink heatpipes will fully contact the hot part of the lid

I can get the 2400 15% cheaper
and vengeance 550m for 47€
both used from amazon

I didn't think about the i3 8100, I could do this:
Gigabyte b360 m 66€
i3 8100 100€
Ballistix Sport LT 2400 C16 69€
corsair Vengeance 550m 47€
Define R5 106€
total 390€

Why isn't Logical Increments in the OP any more?
logicalincrements.com/

Salty amdrone :)

afaik, the b350-f strix has a BIOS update to support the 400 series features like precision boost overdrive, so no.
I saw someone else on the amd leddit who had his 2700X on that board "overclocked" at 4ghz base 4.31ghz boost.

47€ sounds like a lot. We frequently get better Seasonic and EVGA psus discounted to $30 in the US. Is that really the best option under 50€? I've heard of a lot of issues with cheap Corsair PSUs.

>I didn't think about the i3 8100, I could do this:
You can't overclock the 8100. It's just plain worse in every way.
Wait wtf. You're comparing to the 1600 not 2200G. You're losing 8 threads doing that.
The 8100 is worse than the 2200G let alone the 1600.

Because it's a misleading, inaccurate shill site. The owner was caught blatantly shilling and taking bribes.

I'd like to see some proof.

The user isn't gaming at all, that's why I told the guy to get an i3 8100 if he could since it's a better CPU by itself. The G4560/5400 would suffice it just wouldn't be as good of an experience. I've built computers with both processors for some buddies who had that exact use case and said that it ran everything they needed it to do.

If user's not gaming he should obviously get a 2200G or 2400G.
Why would you get an 8100+1030? It costs DOUBLE.

But even for non-gaming, having a 1600 doesn't hurt. It's a powerful, cheap CPU if you decide to do more than just browsing the web.

>that Pentium ratio
I believe it. I owned one before I upgraded to an i5 later and there were significant improvements in frame latency in some games (I imagine the difference between an i5 and i7 would be similar in most cases?), but that little guy still held up great.

The 2200G would make sense, but I'm also considering that user might be using Linux, and right now Linux support for that particular processor is lacking. Also, he wouldn't even need to get a 1030 for an 8100, it has integrated graphics, just crappy ones, but it'll do the job.

amazon spain psu prices:
evga 500 B1 57€
Seasonic S12II-430 56€
Seasonic Focus+ 550W 86 €
so the Vengeance 550m used for 47€ (70€ new lol) is sort of a good deal (not from ebay, as I said, from Amazon Warehouse)

I would buy the 8100 without the 1030.
And yeah I would like to buy the 1600 but the only problem is having to buy a GPU.

exactly

Same here, it's a respectable processor for what it is, I feel like it just gets too much hate here since it was memed to oblivion when it came out.

Do you think threadripper 2 will be good, as good as the jump to 2700X?

Can't wait to test out the new stock cooler.

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When Kaby Lake released, it really was an i3 killer, there was little reason to buy a Skylake or Kaby Lake i3 for gaming because of it, it's just that Ryzen 3 really made 4 cores the bare minimum for PCs that were for more than casual use, and that's when even a dual core with hyperthreading really became a hard sell.

I could buy the 1600 and use my old Radeon HD 5770 but it has a 100W TDP. Anyone knows how much load/heat would output at max while watching videos/twitch? I know Chrome in linux doesn't have HW acc so the decoding part would be on the CPU and the GPU basically would be almost idle right?

Oh. I thought Level1tech recently did a video about it being better now, but I can't find it.

Oh yeah, get the Vengeance.

>I would buy the 8100 without the 1030.
Ahhh. Given GPU prices, if you can't get the 2200G/2400G working well on Linux by now and can't wait, the 8100 does sound like you best choice.

TR was like 1800X +100MHZ.
Threadripper will likely be the same. 100-150MHz higher. So 4.4-4.45GHz XFR.

I'm not sure. Older GPUs didn't have as good power saving. Like my 7970 uses 100w minimum simply from having a second monitor plugged in, when it'd normally use like 35w, because plugging in a second monitor disables a ton of power saving features.
But a 5770 is a much smaller chip and the 7970 was a 300W TDP one.

> I know Chrome in linux doesn't have HW acc so the decoding part would be on the CPU and the GPU basically would be almost idle right?
Not sure if the main chromium branch has it, but the beta does have hardware accelerated video decode.
1600 is super efficient at decoding 1080p video, though.
Like video decode for Twitch on my 7970 did not work. Too high bitrate I guess? Or a bug with Twitch? Dunno what. So my 2500k would decode it which used an entire fucking core. But on my 1600X it's less than single digit percentage out of one of 12 threads.

>But on my 1600X it's less than single digit percentage out of one of 12 threads.

unintentionally send that before replying

that's enough for me then, I know you can get Chromium working with HW acc, but obv with HD 5770 I couldn't test it

>Do you need to buy a pre-made PC first and then replace bits as needed?
That's what I did my first time
The second time I wanted to do the same but after researching prebuilt PCs for months and watching PC building tutorials I just put the shit together. It's really not as complicated as you think, watch Bitwit's step by step tutorial.

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Actually wait, I tested to make sure.
I'm seeing a video decode thread on 1080p/60fps so it's not using CPU on my 1600X now even though it was on my 2500k.
There are lots of youtube videos for decode tests, though. The 1700 can handle 4k decode well, and 1080p is so much easier than that. You might want to look around and see if you can find 1080p decode tests.

I'm not sure why video decode wasn't working on my 2500k on windows7 before. :/ But it seemed to be a fairly common problem at the time.

>but obv with HD 5770 I couldn't test it
You don't have a current system with a recent distro version (like ubuntu 18) to put the HD 5770 in and try it?

>Do you need to buy a pre-made PC first and then replace bits as needed?
This is often not a great idea because OEMs have awful motherboards
> Or should you just buy a motherboard?
Yes.
>Do you need a chassis to put all the parts in?
Technically no. You could make a case out of a cardboard box.

1080 MSRP is $500 not $600 lmfao.
How the fuck do all these misinformed posts clog pcbg?

>Worse than 7700k
That's what I figured. I don't even need to look at benchmarks to know it to be true. 6 threads isn't enough, and that's why I can't recommend it. The 8400 stutters and it'll just get worse over time. I'd recommend a 7700k at 8400 price, tho.

virus

>muh cherrypick
two can play this game. kill yourself shill

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o no no no no

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>How the fuck do all these misinformed posts clog pcbg
its because the 1080 was $600 msrp at launch and it is easier to find that price than it is the newer $500 msrp

g-g-g-good c-c-c-cpu g-g-g-goy

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My old r9 280 died and now iam stuck with a old ass card from 2007 which doesnt even have hdmi port. I thinking about buying a new card which could run 2 monitor setup (1920x1080 and 1280x1024) Currently iam looking at gt 1030 at about 90 euros and Radeon R7 260X at 76 euros. I play shit like old wow expansions and mount and blade.

>performance per dollar
>r5 1600
>no 2600
oy vey

Please help me understand at what should i look when deciding which card to pick

do it

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>gtx 1050 2gb still costs more than on release

reeee i just want to upgrade my toaster

Because AMDrones cannot influence Captain Falcon

I have the HD5770 installed but the thing is that it will not be able to decode VP9 videos, for example.

Anyways, if the 1600 uses 10% of CPU for 1080p playback, it will suffice. I have an Athlon II X3 now so it uses >66% at least. That's why I wanted to buy a new CPU.

1200 + GT 1030, or a 2200G
Don't ask why, but I currently have both options
Keep one, sell the other
What do?

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if you have both why don't you test both with whatever you plan on using it for and choose the one that works better?
if you don't want to do that I would choose the 2200g since you can sell the other 2 for more

2200G + 1030

There is no reason to get a 1200 or 1300 over the 2200G, and similar for 2400G counterparts

is water cooling better than air?

Why the fuck would you want a 1030 with a 2200G?

my point was more of the price differences between the 2200G and its counterparts doesn't matter

the 1030 was a joke