Why do I need to switch to Linux when Windows and Mac OS already have full-featured CLI and scripting?

>it's not only harder and worse
Just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it worse. Don't be like retards who claim 'linux is so hard to understand'.

>Why would you want complete control of your computer
I don't know maybe because you want to experience freedom and realize when installing a non free OS your giving a single authority power over your computer and also enabling a surveillance state.

>Windows and Mac OS
>implying macOS is at the same level,if not better than hurr windows

Feels good.

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Holy shit, that command is verbose as fuck.
I'm pretty sure that on Linux this would do the same:
ps -ef | grep running

If you legitimately like to use windows and find no reason to use linux then keep using windows. people here use linux or another OS because we care about privacy and want the most control of our systems

oh yeah, write an ebuild, I dare you

Because a robust terminal isn't what makes Linux good.

>i7 CPU
>nearly no load
>1 month old Windows 10 installation
>run powershell
>type in partial command
>press tab to complete
>it freezes for 20 seconds
utter trash

The command line on windows is a tacked on after thought.
The GUI on linux is a tacked on after thought

If powershell is so great then why are they teaching me bash on windows at school?

Oh yes, cause everyone just LOVES .net

Your teachers can only teach what they know. Loonix tards can't deal with modern shells that don't rely on piping every program through awk and hoping their output format stays the exact same forever to get the information they need.

stupid
they also teach java so clearly java must be better than alternatives... hmm

It used to be that way.
But Powershell is a great shell and the new Windows Console can act as a powerful terminal that can handle pretty much everything you throw at it.

Oh, you think the shell is your ally, but you merely adopted the commandline. I was born in it, molded by it. I didnt see a gui until I was already a man. By then, it was nothing to me but bloat! The terminal betrays you, because it belongs to me!

I use powershell every day at work and yes, it's powerful.
It is not, at all, usable as a shell. If you think it is you've never had to use it for any extended period of time.

Nice meme. People will use linux and you can't do jackshit against it

You use systemd though

Yeah because systemd developed by nsa and unaudited gives you anything but an illusion of freedom

i use devuan. also, systemd is bloat rather than malware.

Looks pretty well documented to me.
Who said I had a problem with people using Linux? I have a problem with people acting like they're better for it. Doing the same shit in Ubuntu you did in Windows doesn't make you any less of a plebeian faggot.

>windows
I have switched to Kubuntu. The main reasons:
1. Forced updates. I fucking hated that so much. No way to postpone it even if you need to work and don't care about update. Reboot is always required and forced.
2. It's not free. You either pay shekels or use some russian botnet to crack it. It's unnecessary with linux at all.
3. It's spyware itself. I really dislike this practice and taking away user's right to choose what he wants to share is ridiculous.
4. Linux is a little bit faster for me.
5. Linux is a little bit comfier for software dev work (ofc if you are not MS dev e.g. .net).
6. Last but not least forced update fucked up my ssd to the point I lost some data. That's when I finally made the switch that I wanted to do for quite some time but delayed because I had work to do.

Kubuntu is basically trouble free, more configurable and good looking. In my use case there is zero reason to use windows since I don't game.

Powershell and CMD are shit.

Also, obviously Linux has more than just better shell scripting. The schedulers are still better, RAID is better, distributed filesystems are better, systemd is better, almost everything is better under the hood.

Granted it's generally too much to reach / use for end users, but they are best off on Android anyhow.

>i7
Found your problem

It can be as short as:
gsv|? status -eq running

or even this, which is shorter than your command:
gsv|? status -eq r

Don't switch, stay pleb. We don't more plebs like you.

too bad micosoft killed off powershell.
also fuck all that CamelCase shit

>I was bourne in it

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>too bad micosoft killed off powershell.
Wat?

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This.

I don't know what you're trying to prove, faggot.

>powershell and mac os terminal
>full-featured CLI
LOL. It's full-featured, save where apple and Microsoft limit it.

What's wrong with systemd? Systemd is pretty nice and convenient.

This. Though I will say that Microsoft has done a better job of shoring up their weakness than Linux. Ubuntu, Red Hat, and Suse are holding steady or regressing while Windows is making marginal progress towards dev usability.

I'm just waiting for the day that either LSM is truly a good sub for brew or adobe tools come to linux native. I hate MacOS with a passion, but it's the only option right now.

>cross platform
>open source
>well documented
>heavily used in the business world
What's not to love?

But power shill is just too slow, and simple shell scripts are much simpler and faster to write. Also, scripting isn't the only reason to switch.

>What's wrong with systemd?
being this new.
SystemDick is trying to devour all, its main dev refuses to fix (or even acknowledge) bugs (even security realted!), it's forced down everyone's throat (even when better/less complex solutions exist, like runit)

>using shitstemd

why do so many freetards speak in vague ideologies

>being this new
>being this much a of neet
Stop using memes as a source of information.

What, in either of those posts, was wrong?

why didn't you answer the question?

I can assure you that none of the points in is just a meme

Because I'm not either one of those posters. I'm just asking you what, in either of them, is wrong.

Cite your sources, instead of just saying you're wrong.

>speak in vague ideologies
Literally makes no sense.

>not understanding systemd
>uses upstart instead

No I use openRC instead.

>doesn't understand that OS X and GNU/Linux share the same shells and can use the same development environments
>thinks systemd is "nice and convenient"
it's like poetry, do you use Ubuntu or Mint? what version of Windows 10 did you use before Jow Forums told you GNU/Linux was cool and what all the "real" tech enthusiasts use?

Because I fucking said so. -R.M.S.

>it's like poetry, do you use Ubuntu or Mint?
I use arch, and debian before then. I started on ubuntu back in 2012.

>what version of Windows 10 did you use before Jow Forums told you GNU/Linux was cool and what all the "real" tech enthusiasts use?
I've been using linux as my daily driver since 2016, and I only starting coming to Jow Forums since about october of 2017. The amount of porn on /b/ got to me. I still use win 10, but only for vidya.

What's wrong with systemd? No memes.

Powershell doesn't even have process substitution. It's garbage. Windows restricts you in every way, e.g. filesystem is ntfs which doens't allow any characters in filenames.

>doesn't understand that OS X and GNU/Linux share the same shells and can use the same development environments
How did I miss this? The mac os terminal shares a lot of the same features of bash, but it's not the same. Also, Mac os is BSD based, not linux based. Lastly, no native package manager.

GOOD ONE

If you ask this question, then Linux/OpenBSD/etc just aren't for you.

>The mac os terminal shares a lot of the same features of bash, but it's not the same.
What are you even talking about? It quite literally is bash and has been since Panther. Before that point they used tcsh, which was just an enhanced csh and not at all related to bash, but hardly "limited" and easily changed to a more familiar shell if needed.
>Also, Mac os is BSD based, not linux based. Lastly, no native package manager.
...So install one? How are any of these genuine "limitations" that have anything to do with the actual terminal or shell, you fucking idiot?

It's a bloated fucking mess that tries too hard to be too many things, making for harder to maintain code and less modular systems, which is part of what GNU/Linux is about in the first place.

Can you make linux syscalls in terminal? I'm not sure, because I don't use mac. If not, I would consider it "limited." If you can't develop programs and integrate into your shell, it's limited. If I insult you, does it make my arguments more valid?

>It's a bloated fucking mess that tries too hard to be too many things, making for harder to maintain code and less modular systems
How does it make it hard to maintain code? What do you mean by less modular systems? Its not 1994 anymore, how do you consider 1.8 MB "bloated?"

>which is part of what GNU/Linux is about in the first place.
Don't lump linux into the gnu/rms bullshit ideology. The GNU was established to provide free software to people. That's it
What are you talking about? Did you not read the part where I said no memes?

>being visibly upset that software is easy to use
The absolute state of freetards.

Nicer CPUs can't make your hard drive faster get an SSD.

>Can you make linux syscalls in terminal? I'm not sure, because I don't use mac. If not, I would consider it "limited."
Why would you want to make Linux-specific system calls in a non-Linux operating system? Do you consider Linux limited because it doesn't support the Windows API out of the box?
>If you can't develop programs and integrate into your shell, it's limited.
Are you trying to say you don't know how to install GCC and a text editor unless your operating system literally spoonfeeds it to you?
>Don't lump linux into the gnu/rms bullshit ideology. The GNU was established to provide free software to people. That's it
>The GNU
...what in the fuck? It's senseless trying to explain this to someone who doesn't even understand the basics of the platform they're advocating and the platforms they're criticizing.

Why exactly do you think you're being insulted? You're a blatant fucking moron who thinks he knows everything because he distro hopped for a few years.

NEET detected. PowerShell is amazing

I get this is a troll but powershell objectively sucks dick. I mean Change-Directory do you just phone in command names your going to be using 100s of times a day and choose the worst duck typed - with a hyphen naming syntax you possibly could. (although I'm not even for sure if windows devs use powershell)

You just don't know what you're talking about. I'm okay with that.

lol. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

You do know "cd" works just fine in powershell right?

You what really bothers me? When people defend how verbose PS is while they set and use aliases.

>bitch lasagna

Powershell commands are case insensitive, man.

Why? Out of arguments or just too dumb to figure out how to set them up yourself?

I knew you were full of shit.

Confirmed troll or brainlet, PS has massive faults (dynamic scoping!??) and you pick at verbosity which is a non-issue with default aliases.

>milk truck just arrive

i3 or die

Why?

I'm not even him, just making fun of you because you're crying about a trivial issue that is easily solved if you aren't a complete dumbass who can't function without a wiki to hold his hand.

Learn to use aliases like in any other shell.

On the subject of PowerShell aliases, it can be slightly annoying that many PowerShell aliases are equivalent to Unix commands when used on Windows, but when on Unix systems, default to the actual Unix command. Thus, a script may not be portable between the two systems if the Unix aliases are chosen. Fortunately, PowerShell commands often have MULTIPLE aliases. For instance, Get-ChildItem not only aliases to ls and dir, but also to gci. Similarly, Invoke-WebRequest aliases not only to wget, but also to iwr. And of course, Change-Directory can still be cd on any platform, because cd is always a shell builtin, and almost never an executable.

What are you talking about? I was just commenting on the hypocrisy of defending powershell for verbose. I don't use powershell. I think it's shit. Get your head out of your ass.

> using powershell
> topkek.

>Thus, a script may not be portable between the two systems if the Unix aliases are chosen.
You can make the same argument for PS, because PS allows you to set custom aliases. If you're good with linux, you can script with posix standards.

What? I was saying if you use PowerShell on Linux, and you use commands like wget and ls, they'll call the Unix commands instead of the aliases PowerShell uses, so it's best to use the less standard, but more portable aliases like gcj and iwr if you want to use PowerShell across different systems.

Linux is just a kernel. The system is GNU.

Oh. Who the fuck wants to use powershell on linux? What would be the point?

Stop with this nonsense.

Well, you could use it for portable system scripting. Or you could use it for REPL-driven development of .NET programs on Linux.

>Linux is just a kernel. The system is GNU.
Go to sleep Stallman, riding Linux and Linus' piggyback must be tiring after all.

>Linus' piggyback
Literal kek.