Is there any way to escape wagecuckery as a programmer?

Owning my own business wouldn't be wagecucking at all, but I just don't see how I could compete against the established players in any market unless I had millions of dollars and a team of programmers.

If you're too dumb to have good business ideas then you have no choice.

Freelance nigga

There are no good business ideas that haven't been done already. At this point, software has solved pretty much every single problem that needs to be solved that there's no real way to improve upon it anymore without spending millions of dollars on things like machine learning. But even then, it's impossible to compete in that space with google, facebook, and amazon's massive data mining operations.

>There are no good business ideas that haven't been done already.
Absolute bullshit, if that was the case we'd never see innovation in tech and it's easier than ever to crowdfund ideas if you're not a big conglomerate.

>machine learning
When will this stupid buzzword die.

If you're just giving up now when faced with a challenge you most likely never had anything new to contribute in the first place

Besides cryptocurrencies (which I admit is an actual useful innovation, but I missed the boat on that and there's too many coins competing now to be able to make any money on it), what other innovations have been delivered in the past 10 years that weren't just schemes to sell more cancerous ads to people?

End capitalism (good luck). Or become a capitalist yourself (good luck too).

You could also get really good at something and write a book about it (how to code good, for instance) or just make shit up and sell snake oil (how to Agile)

>You could also get really good at something
OP would rather give up so that won't be happening anytime soon

Ok, so what exactly have you done if starting your own business is so easy?

No wonder you can never come up with business ideas, jesus you sound like such a narrow minded cunt. Work on your personal creativity and stop giving up straight away and maybe you'll be able to fund an idea that makes you money, all you need is an idea to start a business and it doesn't even have to be a good one.

Freelancing, and/or becoming "the boss" and not just the middle manager

If you don't have the luck or ability to do either, then you only have retirement

Do you have any idea how many people said that years ago?

I dont mind working a 9-5 (although its more like 9-9) job since what I do I actually like (NetSec) and dont have suicidal thoughts every day
Not to mention it pays well enough so that I can probably retire by 50

What else do you want to call it?

It's a machine

It's learning based on a data set

computer training? PC studying? Processor school? Maths mcThinksALot?

Remote work is GOAT how are you complaining? You don't need to own a car unless you really want to, don't waste your life in traffic and get heaps of free time.

I actually do have a some good ideas for games that I've wanted to develop for a few years, but game dev is something that takes up such a ridiculously huge amount of time that there's no way I will ever finish it while I have to wagecuck every day.

Dipshit if he "ended" capitalism he just being slaving away in some factory making assault rifles that will be used to execute him once he complains about the food shortages at the breadline.

never gonna make it with that mindset

you think anyone said we need snapchat a few years ago?

lazy excuses if you ask me

This user makes a great point. Think about Snapchat for a second. None of the technologies in Snapchat were new. Taking photos, editing them, sending text on photos, recording videos and uploading them to a cloud where they are shared to a group of friends, and text messaging. All existed before. However it was packaged in a convenient well marketed app.

Make your code dual license, GPLv3 & Commercial. GPL will gain you widespread acceptance. Commercial will make the leeches who don't want to GPL their own code pay you for your work. The leeches are pretty much all businesses who have been wagecucking you the whole time, so it will feel extra good making them pay.

Whoever said you needed a finished game to raise money? If the idea for the game is good enough you'll be able to crowdfund.

You're acting like raising money for an idea is difficult when it's easier than it's ever been.

>retire by 50
Ok, enjoy spending the only healthy and productive decades of your life locked in an office working for somebody else.

Start your own startup. Be a one man show that creates ongoing revenue streams.

that's just life for most people

Statistical Learning is a far more accurate term

That's one way it can go. But I meant ending capitalism in the sense so that employee/employer relation wouldn't exist anymore.

You are worrying about these gigacompanies for no reason, they don't care about your small business, there is no reason for you to compete with them.

This is the best time in the worlds history to start a business because of the current peace and stability. Secondly, there is the freedom and mobility, in past you were tied to some shit rural life. Then there is the internet from which you can learn anything.
There is insane amount of work to do, just look at everything that haven't yet been properly adapted into the digital era. We are living in era which in the future is called a digital revolution.

You forgot
>while doing something you love and expanding your knowledge on it

Nobody crowdfunds games anymore. So many of them have been failures and/or scams, that people won't give money to game dev projects anymore.

>Statistical Learning

don't be stupid user statistics can't learn

because success doesn't really mean innovation in todays world, just good marketing and hitting a niche which doesnt have an established product (but even that mustn stop you, see discord or some shit)

i mean its not that easy obviously, just look at how long most of these things existed before making a breakthrough, snapchat is from 2011

machine learning is more than statistical learning duh

>having some middle management asshole bark orders at you and dictate what you have to do every single day is enjoyable

If you are good enough at programming and well off enough, why not start your own company

>there is no reason for you to compete with them
What I'm saying is that software has become so advanced that it's impossible to compete in the market at all unless you have the resources of a company with multiple millions of dollars.

now see that's the difference
I have a project manager that's an old ass faggot like 65 or something that gets paid a shit ton of money and has more knowledge than the rest of us combined shout orders at us
Security sectors barely ever have middle men

>I am shit at my job

And what you're saying is wrong.

I just spent 2 minutes on kick starter under popular and found "The Good Life".

This game has raised £350K in a couple of months, tell me again how nobody funds games.

quit, find job in manual labor, make gains, find wafu, get mortgage, wash camaro on sunday

Oh look, it's an established game dev company with multiple employees, a portfolio of past projects and probably revenues in the millions already.

another user makes a great point

we're in the age of roasties and stacies. this time happens to be the time where the never married rate for under 25 men is the highest

men have full time jobs with heaps of disposable income and computer graphics are really good.

a good video game or two (like pubg) will give you an early retirement

I created a program that is on github that is there to automate the process of branding people in the event that slavery ever makes a return, which I think it will as I am certain that the world was better off when slaves were a thing as there were no mass shootings, no drug dealers, our prisons werent zoos etc

I have noticed a lot of crowdfunded projects have little to no transparency. With games this doesn't need to be the case, developers can easily use the bazaar model rather than the cathedral model, so potential customers can very easily see what is a scam and what isn't.

You're missing the point. I'm sure there are plenty of projects on crowdfunding sites that are created by a tiny company with no employees.

You don't need employees to raise money, you need an idea and the ability to sell it.

PUBG is one of those average games that accidentally went viral and went on to become massively successful for no real reason other than luck. There's really nothing intentionally special or innovative about it.

Nobody will crowdfund a project from some unknown dev. You need marketing to even get exposure on kickstarter in the first place and how are you going to get that without either being already famous or having a huge marketing budget?

No. There is huge amount of infrastructure for small business to build on, and it scales per use, being practically free at 0 users. Amazon web services, stripe for payments, online marketing. All scale based on your needs.

People do it all the time.
You think creating marketing material is difficult?

I work for a tiny startup and I was creating all of the marketing material whilst the C-level networked to raise funds in our infancy, we had no product and almost no employees yet we're set up for series A of £20m+

You're just making excuses.

Doesn't matter if the infrastructure is there because doing anything with advanced AI requires massive amounts of data that the large players have spent years collecting and hoard to themselves in order to keep their competitive advantage.

>networked
That's a funny way of spelling nepotism.

I agree. Slavery is natural and should be bought back.

>Wahh networking is too hard it's just nepotism
Holy fuck just end it all.

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You're delusional if you think you can get $20 million from total strangers without having well established long-running connections already.

Assertion without an argument? How is any economic system in the West capitalistic in the true sense of that word? I don't expect a response from you, after all it was giving retards like you voting rights that caused the problems we have now.

everyone was a nobody once

better get started making those connections now then

Dude, you don't have to compete with the gigacompanies. Your company can make of millions and it's still too small they don't even know you exist. The googles and amazons of the world will probably only help your AI business by providing tools and making your product/services more salable. When some data giants starts caring about you, you have already struck gold and made it.

That's how investors work you dumb faggot. Start networking now so you can end up in a startup incubator, there are funds lying around filled with billions because startups give a higher return on investment than shares of existing businesses, yes they will be total strangers and no you won't need an entire team of people. I don't know why you're being so feeble.

You really only need to work for 10 years as a programmer before having enough to retire.

No true at all. I've been working for about 10 years and I have about $30k in savings, plus like another $60k in crypto. I've made more money in crypto in just the last year than I've been able to save in my entire life so far. But it's still nowhere near enough to not have to wagecuck.

bump

The hard part there is keeping your living standards the same as your income climbs, avoid the golden handcuffs.

Assuming single and no family, either you make too little, or, more likely, you spend too much.

I would never think to make something so horrid. You basically have to develop/wrangle a startup with the mindset of ripping off retarded consumers from the get-go. It's immoral, anything social-media is.

the problem is not your wage the problem is you having to much expectations from life. Raised on Hollywood, thinking that happiness equals to sports cars and big house . That is not the aim of life it never was.

Make something good.

>That is not the aim of life it never was.
What is the aim of life? Why are we here?

Its for you to figure out

to reproduce

So it's a find your purpose thing? Surely it can equal to sports cars for some people then

What if I can't?

bad roll, system has denied your lineage

So living in small apartment and spending most of your time at work is the aim of life?

He picks the one company that exists on vc money and has never made any money .. top kek

Work will set you free ..

Work just makes one part of your day worse, so free time in comparison actually starts looking good.

Hobbies are the best. I've spent a month obsessively learning how to sing and play a guitar. Been much happier than I am shitposting on the internet. A few grams of speed and hyperfocus on a hobby is all you need in life.

I'm interested in working remotely. Have you considered living somewhere like Thailand?

>crypto
>"money"
Good luck decrypting your "money". Or maybe I'm getting old...

what is the true sense of the word?

It's just an economic system in which goods and services are produced by one group of people(labour) and profits made from those goods and services are distributed to a separate group(capital). In this sense capitalism the globally dominant system, though other forms can exist within it (trade arbitrage, rent/interest, worker co-ops, subsistence farming, etc.)

it's different from other forms of economic systems such as slavery or feudalism that don't involve wages and profit.

>cubicles
Man those were the good days. Now everything is open fucking spaces. Programmers are treated like kindergarten kids. There is fake programming everywhere. Managers and salesperson sell asses in chairs. The code being produced is apparently irrelevant.

Not him, but capitalism died in the 70s. Something something Vietnam war.
Nowadays the system is based on debt and jewish privilege.

Capitalism is a straw man invented by Karl Marx. Exchanging goods and services has happened across all human in all human societies, it's not a special economic system.

>working in exchange for money is being cucked

The downfall of western civilization everyone. China is the future if this attitude in the west continues.

You're a fucking bitchy faggot. Get the fuck off the internet.

It's not pure luck, it's using the ebin "muh hunger games battle royale" trope fucking everybody has been using lately to trap xXxgAyMeRxXx kids and normalfags.

by your logic i'm fucking done with everything and free to off myself if i marry some fat nigger and have goblinos for children
naturalist dickheads should fuck off back to 9reddit

>Exchanging goods and services has happened across all human in all human societies
Correct. Goods and services were exchanged long before wages and profit existed. People could trade and sell the shit they produced in markets (difference is that they often working for themselves on their own land, or on a lords land, or had slaves to produce shit for them).

The concept of working for a wage only came with capitalism and factories - it did not really exist before.

>it's not a special economic system.
Not special, but it is an economic system.

But China does capitalism even better than USA. The irony.

businessinsider.com/china-is-churning-out-a-new-billionaire-every-5-days-2017-10?IR=T

>I've spent a month obsessively learning how to sing and play a guitar. Been much happier than I am shitposting on the internet. A few grams of speed and hyperfocus on a hobby is all you need in life.

I really need a hobby...

This. The only escape is self-employment and you simply discard one ball of stress for another. Competition is a bitch.