Is it a meme or is it seriously meant to be an open source Windows alternative? Will it ever go beyond Windows XP compatibility -- in fact, will it ever REACH XP level?
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Jace Campbell
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Josiah Nguyen
It's a meme.
Isaiah Thompson
fpbp, sadly.
Fuck the Russian government for not giving them any money.
Cooper Long
not a meme, and already used where legacy systems aren't available anymore. mostly machines which got bundled with computers, which since have stopped working, even though the machines themselves are fine. nobody wants to buy a new cnc cutter, when the old one still perfectly works, just because the software doesn't run on anything anymore.
As long as these cases exist, ReactOS development will continue and it will eventually reach XP level. Development on compatibility which goes beyond is already being worked on.
will it *replace* windows for home users anytime soon/ever? unlikely, its use will be in cases, where vendor lock-in is present.
Justin Cooper
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So it's a meme
Charles Ortiz
Agreed, it's not a meme; the devs are quite serious about making it a Windows replacement. They just lack funding and probably manpower to get through the mountain of dev work that needs to be done for it.
Grayson Gutierrez
>already used where legacy systems aren't available
>cnc cutters
you can't be serious, holy shit
the LAST thing i'd use for a CNC cutter is an OS that bluescreens every twenty minutes, has incredible installation issues on non-vitrual machines and gives no guarantee that nothing will be fucked up
that'd be just insane
Joshua Clark
this is, of course, assuming react works with both hardware and software – and not limited to cnc machinery. a lot of proprietary shit got bundled with old-ass windows installs. I'm not advocating using react. it's a crutch, only to be used as a last measure, however that last measure will be needed increasingly often as bundled hardware breaks.
A couple of crashes are preferable to throwing out perfectly functional machine costing tens of thousands of dollarydoos.
Lincoln Ward
>A couple of crashes are preferable to throwing out perfectly functional machine costing tens of thousands of dollarydoos.
you gave a CNC as an example, but i don't think you've ever even seen one if you think they're thrown away just like that
but getting back to original point - no, ReactOS is NOT USED AS A REPLACEMENT anywhere, despite what you're claiming
also
>A couple of crashes are preferable to throwing out perfectly functional machine costing tens of thousands of dollarydoos.
fucking lol
i don't even know how to respond to that, honestly, you're so out of touch it's baffling
tip - ANY industrial machine that bluescreens every 20 minutes would be considered a health hazard and not allowed to function
Christian Ortiz
pussy ass tripfag FILTERED
Noah Walker
im no lawyer, but couldnt it get into trouble for emulating the look and feel of windown even if all the code is a clean room rewrite and doesnt infirnge any copyrights?
if apple could sue samsung for rounded corners, how is it legal for reactos to imitate the look of windows?
its hard for me to imagine that its essential to its functionality, if that is the pretext
Christopher Cruz
In countries where software patents exists, yes.
That being said, free software windowmanagers and desktop environments ship with windows lookalike themes (usually called Redmond) and MS gives approximately 0 fucks.
They don't consider ReactOS or other free software an issue/threat.
Lincoln Flores
It's a meme. I know people here are kind of mixed on Pale Moon, but I feel like the projet's maintainer put it really well
>I'm aftraid ReactOS has not had the pace it needs to become a viable alternative ever since they started. It took them 10 years to come to something that is still wholly incomplete and based on several-years-obsolete technology in its current state that nobody is still targeting as a (primary) platform. I've made a serious point to them a bunch of years ago that they should target NT6.* as kernel compatibility, but for some reason that has completely fallen on deaf ears
Ayden Ortiz
>all these anons ITT expecting ReactOS to become a fully modern Windows replacement
Folks, it was never supposed to be le super-duper do-everything nu-Windows like some of you seem to want it to be. It's mostly meant just to run older x86 Windows stuff, so your expectations are unrealistic. For me, I would just use it to run my olde 16/32-bit PC games. Others would just use it for nostalgia, or for the nice UI, or for running older non-game Windows-based software. It'll do exactly what it's meant to, exactly when the devs get around to it. And remember, it's open-source; you want something done for it, you do it yourself. Bitching and whining about things it doesn't yet do merely makes you look retarded.
Julian Russell
>all these anons
you mean one dumb fuck that thinks it's already a replacement?
Isaiah Davis
>It took them 10 years to come to something that is still wholly incomplete and based on several-years-obsolete technology in its current state
Because people could actually tolerate Windows 2000, XP and 7, so the incentive wasn't there. Now with Windows 8 proving itself to not just be "another Vista", 10 continuing to frustrate people, and with the rumors of Polaris, there's been quite a bit more interest in volunteers contributing to ReactOS.
>I've made a serious point to them a bunch of years ago that they should target NT6.* as kernel compatibility
NT6 kernel compatibility implies WDF support (among many other things). They've already gotten pretty far with their WDM implementation (the subsystem for 2000/XP/2003 driver compatibility). They have not started with WDF. It would be a massive undertaking. Note that NT6 kernel compatibility and NT6 application support are not quite the same thing. As of 0.4.8, ReactOS can already run some NT6 progams, similar to how Wine does it.
With the limited volunteer power and with how NT6 and WDF remain poorly documented, I think this strategy makes sense. The short-term goal is to perfect NT 5.x kernel compatibility while writing application layers to support NT6+ programs. Beyond general Win32 improvements, some of the main objectives include completing the 64-bit port (reactos.org
Christopher Brown
>will it *replace* windows for home users anytime soon/ever? unlikely, its use will be in cases, where vendor lock-in is present.
So... home users? You're contradicting yourself.
Levi Gutierrez
>>I'm aftraid ReactOS has not had the pace it needs to become a viable alternative ever since they started. It took them 10 years to come to something that is still wholly incomplete and based on several-years-obsolete technology in its current state that nobody is still targeting as a (primary) platform.
This is correct.
>>I've made a serious point to them a bunch of years ago that they should target NT6.* as kernel compatibility, but for some reason that has completely fallen on deaf ears
This is idiotic.
Jose Gray
>For me, I would just use it to run my olde 16/32-bit PC games.
ReactOS STILL does not support 16-bit Windows programs at all, and doesn't seem like it will soon.
Aaron Butler
>took them 10 years
I say it's impressive they could do it that fast with such a small team working only on their spare time.
Connor Mitchell
Hunter Perez
Let's say I was rich, how much money would they need to have it reach Windows XP levels
Ayden Sanchez
>new cnc cutter
Can't you retrofit a new controller into the machine?
Daniel Evans
that's hard to estimate. the challenge is you need systems programmers that are dedicated to learning the ins-and-outs of the windows internals and intel x86 architecture. very few are willing to spend their time to learn all this without getting paid. people prefer their cushy $100k+ C#/Java jobs. the few that actually do self-learn (or have previous experience as kernel programmers with linux) and work on reactos as volunteers, you need to contract them, which is what reactos foundation does with whatever funding they get.
the more important question you could ask yourself is, how did linux get to where it is? they've laid out a successful volunteer-based development model.
Nicholas Thompson
Why tho? It's probably easier to just install the new os. And retro fitting one would probably require a adapter to be made. People in China probably do it tho, go talk with the Chinese.
Josiah Green
It was more of a if I hypothetically became a memecoin millionaire how much money would I need to throw at them anonymously to get the product
Samuel Taylor
>t. American
There's plenty of unemployed or barely employed devs like that in Russia, the problem is that the ReactOS project has no money to pay them.
Brody Smith
Linux has name recognition, and inertia from introducing the GPL (shudder) to the masses.
It did nothing to earn its volunteer contributions.
Ryder Sanchez
It will reach a normal win xp install state in like 20 years, then you have to wait another 20 for it to have the service packs
Chase Ward
>GPL (shudder)
opinion discarded
Noah Edwards
Linux did just benefit of timing.
If it wasn't for the BSD lawsuit, Linux would have fallen into irrelevance right there and then.
Andrew Phillips
ReactOS is an example of GNU/Linux's popularity killing small but good proyects.
Christopher Wood
Does reactos bluescreen every 20 minutes?
Brayden Diaz
That's a very pessimistic view.
Another way to see it is that Linux is a neat containment project. People who are wasting time there will at least not waste helenos/genode/seL4/minix3/open|net|dragonflybsd|aros|haiku|9front's time.
Gavin Smith
So you're saying the world could have been spared the GPL virus if not for some fucking lawsuit?
That is... incredibly depressing, to say the least.
Chase Mitchell
Yes.
You can thank lawyers for being scumbags.
Lucas Turner
That's pessimistic for me.
I would love a Haiku distro with a secure and powerful seL4 based kernel.
But nah, lets use this monolithic minix clone instead.
Oliver White
Bruh, I work for an MSP that has 20+ machine shops. Exactly 0 use ReactOS. I have more running off mini macs than this MemeOS.