If you want help: >State the budget & CURRENCY for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs: >NO R3 1200/1300X or R5 1400/1500X. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY THE R3 2200G AND R5 2400G >R3 2200G - Gaming WITHOUT a graphics card >G5400 - HTPC, web browsing, or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >i3 8100 - Budget gaming builds >R5 2600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs (especially the R5 2600 for multithread perf) >R7 2700 / i7 8700K - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal >Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports
Graphics cards: >Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >MSRP of standard 1080p cards: 1050Ti, 140USD; 1060 3GB, $200; 1060 6GB, $230; RX 570 4GB, $170; RX 580 4GB, $200 >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070/Ti and 1080 are standard choices; currently overpriced >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 2160p (4K) >GTX 1080Ti
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
Why do you not care that every regular thinks your OP text is absolute shit and you've been one of the most hated people on Jow Forums for a whole year straight?
I don't see what motivates you, except the shilling.
>all this delusion Anyway I'm motivated because I'm interested in PC hardware, I enjoy helping other anons, and shitting on retarded fanboys like you is amusing
I'm on a budget. Currently using FX-8350 and GTX 970. I'm looking for good single core performance for gaming. I'm looking at Ryzen 2 processors but according to PassMark they don't do that well. Would I be happier with an i5/i7? I'd like to not have to upgrade for a while.
What game are you trying to play that you can't? FX 8350 is still a decent CPU if you've already got it. Almost anything runs well except PUBG and a few older games like FO4, and even in PUBG the last update helped a lot with frametimes and stuttering in the towns
Your only significant steps up would be to an i5 8400 or an R5 2600/X. Your 970 would bottleneck either one.
Jaxon Lopez
Passmark is fake. They updated to artificially nerf Ryzen results because Threadripper was shitting on everything Intel at the time. It has absolutely no trustworthiness.
Passmark, userbenchmark, geekbench, etc, all those simple dumb "score" sites are just completely fake marketting shillery. See picture related before they change it to put Ryzen down and bump Intel up despite TR actually outperforming that $2700 Intel in EVERY application except AVX512 heavy ones which would point to the score being perfectly accurate pre-update.
CPU-Z is the only one that somewhat legitimately updated to "ryzen fix". Their previous test was shitty and just a cache test, and Ryzen has loads of cache.
2600X but an 8700k will do better and 2700X can often handle 1080p@60 and/or higher quality 720p@60.
I can go a bit higher than that. 300 is the max I want to spend. What about the 8600k?
>What game are you trying to play that you can't? I can play them just with stuttering and high temps. I mostly play FPS and I expect 120FPS+. I rarely get close to that even on low settings. CPU heavy games are fucking horrendous. 8350 turns my room into a sauna when I'm playing anything made in source or unreal. I don't want to bottleneck my GPU anymore.
I'd prefer AMD if possible but I've already been meme'd by them once when I bought the 8350.
I don't get why you can't google yourself, but here you go: youtube.com/watch?v=OkG-UayPUfc 2600X gaming perf is roughly the same as the 2700X, and you can get about a 10% further increase in FPS with a precision boost overclock on a good board.
Connor Anderson
That's why I said "if you've already got it." Obviously you'd never buy one now, but many games run very well, so there's no reason to upgrade unless there's a particular game you want to play but can't.
>What about the 8600k? 8600K sucks from a platform price/perf perspective. i5 8400, i7 8700K if you want to go Intel, although an i7 is overkill for gaming.
>I'd prefer AMD if possible Check benchmarks, but like I said before, your 970 will bottleneck an i5 8400 or an R5 2600/X. (In other words, either one is "better" than your graphics card.)
Christopher Stewart
I don't need a video to tell me the 2700X is better than the 8350 anything is better than this piece of crap. I want the most bang for my buck so I don't have to upgrade again in 6 months.
Justin Foster
reminder that intel has slightly faster encoding 90% of the time BUT will drop far more frames for far longer than any amd equivalent
well the computer won't be doing anything other than encoding the stream
Chase Kelly
then get amd because it's cheaper and you won't be a corelet
Gavin Barnes
>according to PassMark Stop looking at shitty artificial benchmarks and start looking at actual reviews.
Easton Martinez
Viewer side is most important so long as streamer side stays over 60fps. Getting 90fps for the streamer is meaningless when your viewers are missing 15% of the frames.
Also it's important to be able to encode at higher (slower) quality since Twitch reencodes which adds artifacts ontop of artifacts. 8700k fails hard going above medium preset. Though the 2700X isn't amazingly better and waiting for TR2 for serious streaming is the best option. That lets you dedicate one CPU to gaming and the other to encoding.
2600X and 8400 are the best options for gaming value. 8400 will outperform the 2600X on average, but the AMD platform is better. Intel's chipset is dead and being superseded in only a few months from now, whereas AM4 is supported until 2020. All signs point to AMD's 7nm BTFOing Intel's (delayed again) 10nm.
For a pure encoding machine not attached to a monitor, just get a 1700. You can get them for $200 or less.
Hunter Bell
>I'd prefer AMD if possible but I've already been meme'd by them once when I bought the 8350. Your fault desu. Didn't you see how terrible they were when Bulldozer came out? Jow Forums exploded with sadfrogs everywhere. Zen is very good. If you have a $300 budget, then consider the 2600x, AMD is actually amazing now.
Brayden Reyes
>>G5400 >>i3 8100 Terrible.
Jordan Hall
If I trusted the first benchmarks I found on google I wouldn't be asking you guys.
Okay. I'll probably go with the 2600X then. Will this last me a few years?
Josiah Miller
will a 1700 do 720p60fps medium preset?
Dominic Collins
I mean you might want to upgrade to Zen2 or Zen3 because a 40% performance increase is expected, but for *today* it's the best multithreaded perf and 90% as good single threaded for the same price or less than Intel's offerings. But a big part of why you go AM4 is the platform, because 7nm is coming soon and you'll be able to use 7nm AMD CPUs on most current boards whereas Intel's slower 10nm will require a new motherboard, once again cucking 8700k and 8400 buyers like how 7700k buyers were cucked out of the 8700k.
Bulldozer, on the other hand, had like 60% the single threaded performance and 90-150% the multithreaded perf. It was a much different comparison. Bulldozer had less single threaded performance than Phenom II. Though can't you disable half the cores in Bulldozer, and make it function as 4 larger cores instead of 8 small cores, and get decent single threaded performance out of it..? I remember people used to talk about that and getting very significant IPC increases and much better performance in FPU heavy games like GTAV.
As a PURE ENCODING BOX? Yes, for sure. Might even be able to do it on the slow preset.
Mason Wright
>Will this last me a few years? For sure. Get fast RAM and an SSD if you don't have one
Aiden Roberts
I already have 2 SSDs that are working fine. I'll have to upgrade to DDR4 though, I'm going with G.SKILL TridentZ 2x8GB 3200. Any motherboard brands I should avoid? How cheap can I go? I need 2 PCIe slots minimum.
Whoops meant to reply ASRock AB350 looks like a pretty good deal and QVLs verified working.
Jaxson Miller
>I mean you might want to upgrade to Zen2 or Zen3 because a 40% performance increase is expected It is not expected, retard. There was a 40% uplift over the FX CPUs. There was a tiny uplift between Zen and Zen+, the standard 10% "Intel" crawl, and Zen 2 won't be much better in terms of single core perf. Multicore uplift is possible but as of yet no core counts are known.
>There was a tiny uplift between Zen and Zen+, the standard 10% "Intel" crawl, and Zen 2 won't be much better in terms of single core perf. Zen+ is just Zen on a slightly better process and with cache latencies fixed. In terms of IPC, Zen 2 will almost certainly come with more significant improvements.
Oliver Allen
isn't zen2 on 7nm?
Henry King
>In terms of IPC, Zen 2 will almost certainly come with more significant improvements. Doubt it
No, you're the retard. Roadmaps are pretty meaningless.
Jaxon Hernandez
>Nice to know you're retarded, now fuck off. So in other words, you have no idea what you're talking about. Kindly kill yourself.
Oliver Lewis
>None of them. EVGA is garbage. Consider SeaSonic, or Corsair's RM series. The fuck are you smoking? Corsair PSUs are shit, overpriced or both. EVGA is great with a few exceptions(like B3 series).
Kevin Brooks
No, Corsair's low end power supplies are shit. Everything TX and above shit's all over EVGA so hard it's worth the price premium. Zero fan mode alone is reason enough to buy one over a SuperNova, they're also more reliable and tend to have the strongest 12 volt rails. Only point you could disparage them about are the cables that aren't individually braided unless you go with HXi. If you bought VS or CX and you got burned though, you have my sympathies. Though I hear the new grey label models are quite a bit better.
Andrew Carter
I'm sure both companies are more restricted by the patents that the other company owns than anything else. Also I think Keller is a genius but not solely responsible for the recent advancements with Zen. "One person does not a CPU create"
Oh yeah, data and a company's own projections are meaningless, to be discarded in favor of a couple of blind fanboys' wet dreams. Again, fuck off
Julian Torres
well considering he's responsible for all of the good amd cpus maybe not
Dominic Powell
alternative, more accurate reality: amd is lowballing their projection to prevent another overhype-and-underdeliver trainwreck, as unlikely as that'd be with how they look right now
Robert Rogers
>alternative "reality" You got that right
Aiden Brooks
No, data that came out before any of the products were closed to finished is meaningless. Zen exceeded Excavator's performance by more than 40% and AMD stated this clearly during the initial Ryzen launch. AMD has updated their predictions for Zen 2 as well since. You used a now nearly 2 year old roadmap to try and prove a point when AMD has already stated that the jump from Zen+ to Zen2 will be far more significant than Zen to Zen+ and anyone who had actually kept up with the development of 7nm would know this for a fact already. When your graph was released 7nm was still in the planning stage. A year ago 7nm was far further along and they were predicting it can do 5Ghz like 14nm can do 3. Well 7nm is already being taped out and those predictions haven't changed. Neck yourself.
Gavin Butler
>Zen exceeded Excavator's performance by more than 40% Barely. 40% is still an accurate if not perfectly precise round number
>AMD has already stated that the jump from Zen+ to Zen2 will be far more significant than Zen to Zen+ No source, no believe Anyway it wouldn't be hard to beat 10% single core if 7nm is good, but that's going to come from process improvements, not architectural or IPC improvements
Lucas Ramirez
What's the best motherboard for the new Ryzen CPUs? Is it best to go for an x470? My local computer store said they'd flash any of their b350s for me but idk
Josiah Miller
This may be a weird question to ask but even if you have a great PC do you prefer to do things like read or watch anime on other devices? I'm asking because I have a rather large PC budget and I want to know if designing my PC as the centerpiece multitool is preferable to having a great PC alongside other specialist tools.
Kevin Price
Watching anime makes you the big gay desu baka sempai. Personally though I prefer having my gaming PC at my desk with my ultrawide monitor and then an HTPC or a console under my 40 inch television for when I just want to relax. I find tablets and e-readers entirely unnecessary but I do have a 5.5 inch phone.
What's your budget? The B350 Prime is quality, the Gigabyte B350 Gaming is good. Asrock's boards range from good to garbage. I'd stay away from MSI if I were you.
Carter Ramirez
I have an original Pixel and it gets hot when I try and watch anime on it.
Samuel Green
Why would you watch Chinese cartoons on a tiny phone screen fampai? You could build a 2200G ITX htpc for under your television so you can watch your waifu and play your waifu simulators at the same time on your big screen television.
Oh and I'd also like to add that you should really buy an X470 if you intend on getting any of the 2000 X series CPUs so you can benefit from the XFR2 feature. But a B350 will do you find if you're going with a 2600.
Can you use s 2200G htpc as an external recording PC for 1080p gaming?
Christian Martinez
Well I'm not sure but probably yes. Though you might want to go for the 2400g with the extra threads in that case. Still, the 2200g shouldn't have much of a problem encoding 1080p30 at the fast or very fast preset.
Nolan Taylor
Recommend a mobo to go with i5 8400, and Corsair Vengeance LPX 2666MHz.
impossible to know when they will if at all. just buy what you wanna buy
Eli Carter
ATX, budget let's say
William King
>Yeah right. Would the included cooler with the Ryzen be sufficient? It's sufficient, but if you're willing to spend extra, you can do better.
Alexander Lee
>A budget of two grand but only an RX 580? Is this a productivity machine or a streamer? Might want to get enterprise hard drives in that case. I am not particularly interested in games and I won't do any work that requires a high end GPU. Will mainly be used for VMs/emulation, development, some other work and some music production (as a hobby, nothing professional). I could even do with an overclocked 2600 and a 1TB SSD now probably. The second SSD would mainly be for backup. I also intend to keep that machine for as long as possible without having to make many upgrades. I will only get rid of it when the highest end CPU that supports AM4 becomes too slow for my needs.
Elijah Foster
Maybe. Depends on environment temps and case airflow. I'd go with a budget tower cooler anyway. The Taichi is great at the high end, the Crosshair 7 is god at the top end, the Gigabyte Gaming wifi is very nice at the mid range.
Don't listen to the retard. GPU prices will go through the floor right before the new Nvidia launch. Nobody knows about RAM, expect next year. Also I fixed this for you: pcpartpicker.com/list/H9gVcY Fuck MSI.
Noah Hernandez
>>G5400 >>i3 8100 I hope you die in a fire together with your family for raising such a dumb piece of shit.
Oliver Jones
960 Evo 250GB or 860 Pro 512GB The NVME drive costs the same with about half the capacity... I'm conflicted.
Oliver Gomez
If you're asking about in on /pcbg/, chances are the extra sequential read speed doesn't really make a difference for you.
Ian Scott
I went the NVME 256GB route myself. I do miss the extra capacity but boot and load times are indeed nice and fast. Still, if you're not a freak like me who has about 16 applications load at start-up, and you don't do productivity, chances are you don't need NVME. It is nice to have though. You can always set up your OS on the m.2 and then get the bigger SSD later to get some tiered storage going on.
Matthew Bailey
The NVMe drives are a lot faster, you're look at over 6x the sequential read speed than the 860
Oh, you're from Australia. I'd say that for a bit more you could get the Taichi but in Australia that's like 70 or a hundred bucks more. It's a good board, nice feature set, I'd go for it.
Chase Campbell
Appreciate the help thanks man
Dylan Martin
Which card has the better cooling system/quality?
gigabyte gtx 1080 windforce oc evga gtx 1080 sc
Jonathan Moore
Probably the EVGA by a bit.
Tyler Barnes
Are there any non-meme reasons to not get R5 1600 over a 2600?
Carson Green
....it's cheaper?
Noah Morris
...because 2600 is faster(both at stock and when overclocked)? Once you factor in the platform cost, it's better price/performance, too(unless you already have DDR4 memory and AM4 MOBO).
Charles Clark
even if it's 2 fans vs 3? I feel evga is more premium and less chink than gigabyte.
Josiah Allen
How come AMD will have a node shrink with Zen2 but use the same AM4 socket?
Luke Watson
How come Intel had node sync with Ivy Bridge but used the same 1155 socket?
Ethan Ward
You're not helping.
Michael Hall
Meh they're both pretty chink. I just think the cooler on the EVGA is a bit beefier and fan count doesn't always matter, I'm pretty sure the windforce is one of gigabyte's lower end cards.
....they've done the same thing before though? And so has Intel on LGA775 and LGA1155 among others. Nothing about the node dictates the socket. The socket simply provides an interconnect and power to the CPU. As long as you have the right pins at the right places the node doesn't matter.
Adrian Turner
No, I'm RIDICULING.
Noah Baker
How do these two compare? The PC part picker one pushes $900 with tax and shipping.
The Amazon one is ugly as sin and has a DVD reader you don't need nor want. Replace the shitty locked i3 with a CPU that's worth a damn and your build is fine.
Camden James
What's wrong with the Amazon one other than having a disk drive Also I want to know which one would be stronger, how much stronger, and why
Leo Reyes
It also depends which ryzen cpu you are buying. From what I've seen the stock cooler on the 2700X for example is very good and the increase in performance that you would get from an aftermarket cooler like the NH-D15 would be negligible, between 5%-10% from overclocking. However that would be the result of spending what essentially is a 133% of the CPU's cost. I don't think it's worth it with the 2700X.
Samuel Cook
average person wouldn't really notice the difference between the two, at that point it becomes an issue of budget
Noah Brown
>whats wrong with the amazon one other than having a disk drive
