Is it stupid to go for a dual socket Xeon build?
Specifics:
CPU (Dual)
ark.intel.com
Motherboard
asus.com
a Dual-socket build of the E5-2680v3 achieves a cinebench score of: 3254
while a Threadripper 1950x achieves a cinebench score of: 3373
TR 1950X CPU costs around €850
You can find a (HP ML350 Gen9) E5-2680v3 for about €80 per piece
The motherboard listed above costs €460
Threadripper TDP: 180W
E5-2680v3 TDP: 120 (per CPU)
Is it worth it?
>Is it stupid to go for a dual socket Xeon build?
Maybe, but it's fun.
I have an old T7500 Precision tower with dual X5690 hexcores in it.
I wish we had dual socket threadripper boards. Ebic is impossible to actually obtain
I don't want it for fun, I want it as my main computer for CPU heavy work
>E5-2680v3
If you want to spend a stupid amount on CPU's then yes. Haswell Xeons have retained their value. Otherwise go for Sandybridge-EP or IvyBridge-EP/EX. Get Something like and Asrock EP2C602-4L/D16 for motherboard. You need to get DDR3 instead of DDR4 but the cost is far less.
Those are some pretty fucking good CPUs, especially for 160€.
I'm not sure about the motherboard, it's good to get a new one, old ones will be overused for sure, but at 460€... At least it's Asus so it's gonna be good.
>If you want to spend a stupid amount on CPU's then yes.
see:
>You can find a (HP ML350 Gen9) E5-2680v3 for about €80 per piece
I bought two for €70 a piece.
>If you want to spend a stupid amount on CPU's then yes
For you 60€ is a stupid amount ?
First, why the fuck you want to mod server cpu
Second, why you just buy a ryzen second generation? It is easier and cheaper
I was talking about general Resale Price. But then I actually read the post. That'll teach me. Sure if you can get it for that price it's a case of why not.
>You can find a (HP ML350 Gen9) E5-2680v3 for about €80 per piece
where? the cheapest working E5-2680v3 on ebay is around $1000
But if you can get that for $640 that's a good price, yes. but you're sacrificing some efficiency of course.
>mod server cpu
what do you mean mod?
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This will be why. Far more performance. Also fun to build and maintain. T. Owner of a dual xeon build.
>I bought two for €70 a piece.
>Sell for $1000 each
>Buy threadripper and pocket the rest of the cash
>fun to build and maintain
what do you mean by "fun"? you mean it's a hassle?
Nope, it's reliable. and just as easy as any other build. Because you're working with a server board however it does mean that you need to be a bit more on your toes if an error does occur during post. (Due more to user error than anything else). Also most dual socket boards will come with a code output display of some description. That helps immensely when debugging.
>Is it stupid to go for a dual socket Xeon build?
Yes since 1 Epyc literally outperforms 2 Xeons.
>you mean it's a hassle
Not really, full sized workstation towers are cavernous inside, and easy to take shit in and out.
for that price? read the post again bucko.
yeah that Asus one even has pic related.
>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>CPU exploits don't matter!
>Stock coolers don't matter!
>Games don't always matter!
*NEW!* Hassles are fun!
what are you talking about and who are you quoting?
both of the options support EEC for example, and they have plenty of PCI-E lanes.
>>Price/performance
You must be aware that some dual socket 2011v3 boards out in the field are very picky about memory (speed time, ranking, timings) and may require you to use RDIMMs and will refuse to work with UDIMMs.
Intel also has been half-locking their Xeon chips since Sandy-Bridge E and many dual-socket 2011 boards don't even have BCLK overclocking.
I believe starting with Broadwell-E Xeons, they started requiring boards with "Cxxx" chipsets.
YES
just buy ONE threadripper user
Anyone know what this mean?
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does it mean it doesn't work in non-HP motherboards or something?
That's only with bargain basement prices on fleabay/craigslist for companies/IT staff wanting to get rid of "retired" servers ASAP.
>You must be aware that some dual socket 2011v3 boards out in the field are very picky about memory (speed time, ranking, timings) and may require you to use RDIMMs and will refuse to work with UDIMMs.
what the fuck is this even?
RDIMM = registered memory
UDIMM = unbuffered memory
LR-DIMM = Reduced Load memory.
That picture shows an example of a dual-socket requiring "RDIMMs" which carried a hefty premium over UDIMMs. LR-DIMMs are bloody expensive.
Ranking = arrangement of the chips on DIMM. (single-rank = one side of the PCB has chips, dual-rank = both sides of the PCB have chips).
This greatly impacts what kind of memory speed, timings, compatibility your motherboard can handle.
and which one of these is the regular ass DDR4 they sell to consumers?
Unbuffered memory = customer-tier stuff
>You can find a (HP ML350 Gen9) E5-2680v3 for about €80 per piece
Post source
so does this thing not support udimm?
ark.intel.com
asus.com
It supports UDIMM, but you need to find a dual-socket Socket 2011 motherboard that supports UDIMM too. Some of the used dual Socket 2011 motherboards (sourced from "retired" servers) may require RDIMMs to POST.
Your best bet are workstation-tier dual-socket 2011 boards.
mate I posted a specific dual socket motherboard:
asus.com
Yes. I've seen highly overclocked Xeons, but they lack of IPC and the boards are costly.
Depending on the needs I would just get a 2700X or TR. They go around 600 € used.
You also get newer features.
Daily settings
I guess the 2950X will get 10K in CPU-Z multicore
yes it is ttupid unless u got money to waste you gains nothing in performance
read the post you tard.
>€80
Why isn't this feature on ROG yet
and? msi x399 costs 300, 2 new E5-2680v3 are 4k, just for the cpu. you obviously don't know what you are talking about
no it's not, buy a threadripper. it's just one socket but it would still outperform the xeons and costs overall less money in initial investment and electricity
>2 new E5-2680v3 are 4k,
Read OP
>using refurbished cpus
you do realize that they degrade over time?
I bought them new.
Go for the xeon build, benchmark it and then post your findings here faggot. You'll find out by yourself if it's stupid to tape two second hand rinky dink xeons from hong kong and put them against a threadripper. No one here will change your mind.
>Is it stupid to go for a dual socket Xeon build?
no it's not. It's actually the only way to compete single socket EBIN.
The VRMs aren't great, but if you're using Xeons with locked multipliers I guess it's a better choice.
>while a Threadripper 1950x achieves a cinebench score of: 3373
And beyond.
Not much higher. But see the price difference in OP
The Threadripper has 33% less cores though.
Yes and it costs a lot more
the 2950X is going to be a beast
at least it won't have dogshit performance in anything that isn't highly parallel
Its beating a CPU with 50% more cores, and it's a new CPU. obviously it's going to be more expensive.
Not really. It won't be much faster.
Sure but the performance is way out of proportion if you can get the xeons for that cheap
this board doesnt support ECC UDIMM
RDIMM/LR DIMM ONLY.
I tested it years ago.
cpu failure is very rare.
I bought 100s of 2680v2, none broken.
LOOK HERE YOU FAGGOT IF YOU'RE IN CANADA AND SEEING THIS BOARD ON KIJIJI STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM IT IM PICKING IT UP TOPNIGHT
DON'T FUCKING COME CLOSE
for real i saw the euro sign, im buying the same as you, and it kicks ass
Are you mining monero with them?
I went for old bulldozer opterons, the cheapest 16 core ones get you 1khash.
Keep in mind that meltdown patches causes severe performance regression on anything I/O heavy unless you choose to run unpatched system. This is not an issue with Threadripper.
kingston.com
help me out my negro, this is cheap as fuck, would it work with op's board ?
>E5-2680v3 for about €80
that worth it.
just be sure you dont get those focking ES/QS cpus.
>E5-2680v3 for about €80 per piece
What, where?
I kinda want to try to buy and run a xeon phi. Does anyone here have any experience?
It's basically a bunch of atoms with special avx.
Not many problems scale well on them.
I almost bought one with my tax return, I just wish there were open source drivers