>nothing new to offer >design is stuck in the 1990s >still crashes when plugging in USB sticks despite being considered "stable" >basic apps like the terminal still don't let you do basic things like copy and paste with keyboard shortcuts >suite of settings applications is still missing vital tools like disk management, display color management >overall feature set is so barren you might as well use Lubuntu
I'm glad people are moving to Ubuntu MATE, KDE and Budgie.
Xfeces has done absolutely nothing for DE users for the past decade.
>>still crashes when plugging in USB sticks despite being considered "stable" kek, how bad are you to get this?
Evan Perry
>>design is stuck in the 1990s >what's customization >>still crashes when plugging in USB sticks despite being considered "stable" never had this problem >>basic apps like the terminal still don't let you do basic things like copy and paste with keyboard shortcuts works for me >>suite of settings applications is still missing vital tools like disk management, display color management then install them >>overall feature set is so barren you might as well use Lubuntu >the feature set is so barren you might as well use a DE with even less features guys xD
>I'm glad people are moving to Ubuntu MATE MATE is hardly any better if you don't like XFCE >KDE the only valid suggestion >and Budgie. bloat
Owen Green
The problem isn't that its design is stuck in the 90s, it's that its system requirements for that are firmly planted in 2016.
Dominic Garcia
no customization can fix the ugly
Adam Miller
>people whine about Linux being too different than Windows >people whine about Linux being too stagnant and always being the same >people whine about Linux having too old packages >people whine about Linux being to unstable
So you want a system that is easy to use, but also complex, always changes but it's stable , doesn't need user interaction for configuration but at the same time is highly customizable.
what the fuck do you want then?
Levi Rogers
I guess he wants macOS
Angel Martin
>I'm glad people are moving to Ubuntu MATE, KDE and Budgie.
Those 3 will be BTFO by LXQt.
Luis Powell
>always changes but it's stable
hasn't changed for over a decade, but still not 100% stable.
this is where your narrative falls apart.
MATE has done more in 6 years than Xfeces has done in 22.
Kayden Foster
>basic apps like the terminal still don't let you do basic things like copy and paste with keyboard shortcuts ctrl shift c you fucking idiot
Dominic Brooks
>ctrl shift c
ok now change it to ctrl C like everybody else has it.
Nathan Jones
>those things that happens to nobody else >true story bro
>>nothing new to offer that's a good thing >>design is stuck in the 1990s that's a good thing >>still crashes when plugging in USB sticks despite being considered "stable" works for me >>basic apps like the terminal still don't let you do basic things like copy and paste with keyboard shortcuts works for me >>suite of settings applications is still missing vital tools like disk management, display color management use your package manager >>overall feature set is so barren you might as well use Lubuntu that's a good thing
Luis Richardson
who cares lol >basic apps like the terminal still don't let you do basic things like copy and paste with keyboard shortcuts >2018 >still doesn't know how the clipboard works in linux
Ethan Ward
>implying I do Linux tech support for anyone in my senpai No, retard. I have used XFCE on Arch, Void, and Fedora without major problems. If there is any valid complaint about XFCE is that it has a shit load of configuration menus to customize the desktop environment.
Maybe you should try not being a moron, f@m.
Cameron Howard
Xfeces can't even integrate basic things like native Samba support, much less Dropbox.
Ayden Cruz
>it's good that my DE is stuck in 1995
Yeah ok. It's hilarious that you people want your software to be useless.
Brandon Adams
When pcmanfm-qt gets dual pane I am switching to lxqt
Xavier Hughes
Even MATE lets you ctrl C in the terminal.
Xfeces doesn't even let you do that.
Luis Brown
Don't forget the shit multi-monitor support.
Benjamin Price
then install a terminal you like; whats the issue?
Daniel Jackson
>it has a shit load of configuration menus to customize the desktop environment.
And yet it still lacks basic things like desktop color management, disk management, etc.
Xfeces has been doing literally nothing by poorly cloning Gnome2 for years and has nothing to show for it.
Robert Evans
Xfce Is fine, it's Ubuntu the shitty part of the mix. I switched to Fedora Xfce and it's rock solid and stable.
James Collins
>install a terminal you like
The point of a DE is that the terminal it comes with should have basic things like Ctrl C support.
Josiah Russell
>Don't forget the shit multi-monitor support.
Xfeces was basically built for NEETs who have a hand-me-down laptop from their mommy. That's why it sucks at anything like that.
Ayden Reyes
>color management I think it has this. >disk management Auto-mounting? Thunar has this. If you need to partition and format disks like gdisk, then use fdisk and mkfs. cfdisk is like fdisk but with ncurses interface.
Alexander Brown
>Xfce Is fine
Keep telling yourself that. Xfeces has even less features than MATE has and it's been around for literally 22 years.
David Gray
If you can't adapt to something as simple you may as well quit computing.
Samuel Scott
>The point of a DE is that the terminal it comes with should have basic things like Ctrl C support.
The point of a DE is that the terminal it comes with should have ctrl-c support? Wow, never knew that was the point of a DE. If the point of a DE is that the terminal it comes with should have ctrl-c support, and the terminal that xfce comes with doesn;t have ctrl-c support, it makes me wonder; is xfce even a DE? It seems to not match the definition of a DE, which is to have a terminal with ctrl-c support, which the terminal that comes with xfce does not.
Colton Gomez
And that's why I use it. I don't care about the latest meme features. Traditional desktop metaphor is fine for me.
Justin Phillips
>I don't care about the latest meme features. Traditional desktop metaphor is fine for me.
That's what MATE literally is and it has essential features on top of it, unlike Xfeces.
Cameron Davis
Yeah but mate is still bloated. I didn't start using Linux yesterday like you, I've been using it for over 15 years, I like Xfce and that's what I'll continue using for the foreseeable future.
Benjamin White
>muh ctrl c there's more consistent ways to copy and paste under xorg DE's
just highlight what you want to copy and shift+insert to paste, it will work everywhere
Hudson Reed
xfce came out before gnome. anyone trash talking xfce is trash talking an important piece of surviving linux history, and probably should not be posting on Jow Forums
Liam Ortiz
>>nothing new to offer they're currently porting everything to GTK3, so new features aren't being added. do you want XFCE to be like KDE where devs waste their time on unnecessary features? >>design is stuck in the 90s what is modern design then? XFCE is pretty similar to KDE. You have a bunch of panels and you can stick things on them. If GNOME is an example of modern design, then 90s design is a good thing. >>still crashes when plugging in USB sticks despite being considered "stable" did you submit a bug report? >>basic apps like the terminal still don't let you do basic things like copy and paste with keyboard shortcuts in xfce4-terminal, ctrl+shift+c copies and ctrl+shift+v pastes. if you don't like xfce4-terminal, you can always use a different terminal. >>suite of settings applications is still missing vital tools like disk management, display color management >disk management why would you not do this through the command line? >display color management isn't this something you should do through on the physical display? >>overall feature set is so barren you might as well use Lubuntu customizing Lubuntu is a pain in the ass. everything's done through XML for some inexplicable reason. look at this shit askubuntu.com/questions/516303/tiling-windows-horizontally-and-vertically-under-lubuntu-lxde-openbox What's ugly about it that you can't replace? There's very little you can't customize in XFCE. I'm not aware of any terminal that has ctrl+c as copy by default. >Even MATE lets you ctrl C in the terminal. how do you send a SIGINT then? >XFCE has less features than every other DE, but I won't tell you what those features are
Angel Lewis
>mate is still bloated
But it's not. It's literally everything that Xfeces should be and is actually run by somebody competent who has done more for it than the entire Xfeces team has done for Xfeces.
MATE will replace Xfeces and LXQt will replace Budgie and LXDE and it will just be MATE, LXQt and KDE as the only worthwhile DEs
Easton Williams
if you want your terminal to copy things using ctrl+c, how the fuck do you want to abort a running program?
Liam Thomas
>they're currently porting everything to GTK3, so new features aren't being added.
Great, so you get the bloat from GTK3.
>in xfce4-terminal, ctrl+shift+c copies and ctrl+shift+v pastes.
Why not Ctrl C?
>isn't this something you should do through on the physical display?
What is laptop.
>What's ugly about it that you can't replace?
The utterly basic UI that looks like a toy OS
Austin Roberts
>if you want your terminal to copy things using ctrl+c, how the fuck do you want to abort a running program?
MATE terminal does Ctrl C.
Jack Flores
>nothing new to offer if it aint broke don't try to fix it >design is stuck in the 1990s install whatever theme you want >still crashes when plugging in USB sticks despite being considered "stable" t. lying matefag who has to constantly kill mate applets that randomly decide to use 100% of cpu >basic apps like the terminal still don't let you do basic things like copy and paste with keyboard shortcuts werks on my machine >suite of settings applications is still missing vital tools like disk management, display color management non-problems >overall feature set is so barren you might as well use Lubuntu not really
Why are matefags so desperate?
Aiden Brooks
>Xfeces is going to be GTK3 based
If they had any brains, they would port to Qt instead.
Benjamin Barnes
ok so if ctrl c copies, how do you abort ping or ffmpeg when running?
>To address concerns that Qt-based apps have heavy memory usage, this release was compared against Xfce, revealing that, after a cold boot, LXQt's memory usage was of 112 MB, just a bit less than Xfce
Xfeces will soon be BTFO by MATE and LXQt in a double whammy.
Luis Hill
>reddit spacing >Great, so you get the bloat from GTK3 GTK2 is no longer maintained, so continuing its use is not really an option. >Why not Ctrl C? that sends a SIGINT on just about every terminal, by default. >The utterly basic UI that looks like a toy OS you can customize basically every aspect of the UI.
Christopher Carter
>GTK2 is no longer maintained, so continuing its use is not really an option.
Xfeces should go to Qt like Budgie is doing.
Asher Morales
>GTK 3 has too much bloat, so they should move to the system with even more bloat.
Angel Wright
>GTK3 >less bloated than Qt
kekekekekek
Jaxon Cooper
Gnome is shit. Sure it looks nice but it's unusable for the usual mouse/kb inputs.
Chase Phillips
* x11-libs/gtk+ Size of files: 18,521 KiB * dev-qt/qtgui Size of files: 44,124 KiB
qt also requires C++ which is bloat.
Oliver Fisher
did he just call the terminal an app?
Mason Peterson
youre a retard if you think ctrl-c should copy. highlight what you want, right click, then copy. ctrl-c is used for and ought to be used for terminating program
Logan Moore
That's why Kubuntu 18.04 uses less ram than Xubuntu 18.04? Kek
Thomas Nguyen
>he thinks "bloat" is 30mb more files >he pays no attention to the memory usage of Kubuntu vs Xubuntu
holy kek
Kevin Powell
>basic apps like the terminal still don't let you do basic things like copy and paste with keyboard shortcuts Ctrl+shift+v/c, retard. Ctrl+C is only used in GUI environments, because it's used to send SIGINT to CLI programs. >disk management Literally what is this? Use lsblk, fdisk, parted, dd, smartctl, etc.
Noah Hernandez
>install bloated distro >distro is bloated >blame DE on any distro that isn't bloated, system memory usage is under 300M on XFCE with nothing open.
Charles Nguyen
>Xfeces Your posts belong in the
Jordan Morales
>getting triggered because his DE is shit and has an appropriate nickname
Alexander Cooper
>getting this triggered over a DE Don’t like it? Don’t use it, MATE shill.
Alexander Cook
Go shit posting about someone else hard work somewhere else OP. Don't you like it, don't use it or make a DE for yourself! GNU/Linux you can make it looks how the hell you want without anyone imposing you anything, if you don't get that, buy OSX. For noobs, Google how to theme your DE.
John Roberts
Install Gentoo
Cooper Jackson
no
Kevin Hughes
Yeah. XFCE is really irredeemable.
Colton Perry
i use xfece because more or less works (and feels slightly more polished than MATE), but >system time is suddenly off for a couple of hours >huh.. aite, lets open time and date settings dialogue.. oh... there is none and you gotta use cli to set the time
sometimes you just have to cope with lower expectations than of windows 98 UI... or simply switch to a different DE and deal with it's tradebacks.. GAAAANOOOOOO
Camden Richardson
>GNU/Linux you can make it looks how the hell you want without anyone imposing you anything, if you don't get that, buy OSX.
this is simply false for most cases, because regular user has no means of doing such things as rewriting the widget toolkit, layout of ui elements, ineraction animations in software they are using. merely changing a 'skin'/color-scheme of something is nothing more than caking up some makeup, often on garbage software that comes with distros or as 3d-party. you cannot fix something that's fundamentally garbage with a 'skin'.
Gavin Stewart
>nothing new to offer don't fix what isn't broken >design is stuck in the 1990s only if you're using the default theme, try Matcha dakr sea dn icon theme for sexy tiems >still crashes when plugging in USB sticks despite being considered "stable" never had this happen on my modern desktop, maybe on your potatoe... >basic apps like the terminal still don't let you do basic things like copy and paste with keyboard shortcuts >calling things apps, pic related >suite of settings applications is still missing vital tools like disk management, display color management no its not >overall feature set is so barren you might as well use Lubuntu lol found the shill
user you're the biggest letdown in this thread, i hope you kys soon
Ironically, the screen tearing in Gnome prevents the Onions-chugging faggot bugmen who use it from enjoying their Rick and Morty and Blacked videos. >pic related, it's a typical Gnome user
No, the problem is with the Xubuntu maintainers who ship it so bloated and with utilities from GNOME. If you put XFCE by itself on top of a minimal or server install it's actually really lean, even with the goodies package.
Tyler Barnes
>design is stuck in the 1990s saying this like it's a bad thing
>i use xfece because more or less works (and feels slightly more polished than MATE)
MATE feels more complete, though. Xfeces is more stable because it had 22 years to mature while MATE has been around for 6. Imagine what MATE can do in 10 full years of development. MATE has outpaced Xfeces for years now.
I mean Xubuntu 18.04 is now using MATE applications.
Owen Torres
Why did you install that dogshit theme?
Jack Johnson
>No, the problem is with the Xubuntu maintainers who ship it so bloated and with utilities from GNOME
yeah because Xfeces has no features, retard.
Jonathan Barnes
Doesn't mean they have to shit it up with GNOME though. Just look at the Lubuntu guys, they use lightweight stuff like Htop and made the telemetry opt-in.
Gavin Ramirez
90s interfaces are good in contrast insane toy DEs like Metro windows and Gnome 3 re pure shit.
However I think cinnamon improves a lot in this area. The tabs in windows and quick snap (the windows key) feature are a great improvement on a old and tried UI.
Eli Jackson
>gnome eeew gnome, can't stand it. Don't care if other people think XFCE looks old. It works (for me). It's prefect. It doesn't do silly things like eeeew GNOME. Like, I tried GNOME out. Opened a terminal. Wanted another terminal window and and GNOME shifts focus to the first terminal instead of opening another. Oh I should just use one terminal for everything, eh? GNOME developers will probably build some shit in to make sure you can't use screen in a terminal so you're focused on your allowed one window at a time. My desktop is not a fucking cellphone.
>Doesn't mean they have to shit it up with GNOME though
What else are they going to use? They haven't written much original software.
Samuel Nelson
>90s interfaces are good in contrast insane toy DEs like Metro windows
Windows 10 before they started changing the UI to their Metro app stuff looks better than Xubuntu and you know it.
Austin Lee
>design is stuck in the 1990s Wat >still crashes when plugging in USB sticks despite being considered "stable" It doesn't >basic apps like the terminal still don't let you do basic things like copy and paste with keyboard shortcuts Okay, you're baiting and spreading lies. Good to know. Kys. >MATE Looks even worse while being more shit. >KDE Isn't stable
Xfce has it's problems, but none of what you listed is one of them.
ChaletOS and ZorinOS Lite disagree.
Andrew Miller
O-Oh yeah? H... How about you stop being a meanie...? also >Xfeces A-AND YOU ARE... A DUMMY! AND... AND... YOU ARE NOT COOL!
Charles Jackson
The only good Windows UI was 95/98~+XP and this is a fact.
Eli Hughes
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
