Does anyone have an actually good counter to the “nothing to hide” argument?

If security cameras were already installed in the homes of 100 million people then sure who cares lmao
is the only honest answer

Actually the government does install CCTV cameras inside peoples homes in the UK.

There are entire books about this, it's not a new concept.

The definitions of what you need to hide are extremely loosely written and used to proscecute maliciously. The definitions themselves are being updated to be even more malicious.

You handle secure personal information which can be used to steal your identity on a weekly, if not daily, basis on your PC, why not implement good security protocols that will make sure these are not leaked or read by bad actors?

The "nothing to hide" argument supposes that the government is some benevolent entity, from which you should have no fear if you're innocent. You could argue that this is not the case, but moreover, you can argue that even if the government is on the side of truth and justice and whatnot now, that might not be the case in the future.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragnet_(policing)
Dragnet datamining refers to a technique in which you profile individuals such that you know everything that they've ever done... You know, "just in case."

In one particular case of dragnet datamining, when the Crimean territory separated from Ukraine, a very cute prosecutor--Natalia Poklonskaya--became the Crimean territory's National General Attorney.

Ukraine obviously didn't like this, so they tried to smear her character as much as they could. Luckily Ukraine is a backwards shithole, so all they could find was a mildly provocative picture of her in a swimsuit.

Now imagine this took place in America (it did: see Edward Snowden). What are they going to find about you? What felonies did you commit that you don't even know about? Misdemeanors? Some cop pulls you over just to mess with you?

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yes. it's calleed "i love my freedom"

This picture is what they tried to use to smear Edward Snowden's character.

Now you might be thinking, "I'm a fucking sheep! There's no way I would make an enemy out of the United States!"
Well why the fuck are you trying to make it so hard for everyone else to do things that the United States doesn't like?

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Nothing to hide doesn't mean there's nothing to find.

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privacy, like firearms, is necessary so that i can overthrow the government

Nail on the head. I don't give a flying fuck who you are or how little I have to hide, even with nothing to hide I'll do everything in my power to hide that nothing. Fuck anyone who thinks they have the right to invade my privacy.

Even if I have nothing to hide, I do not want to operate under the assumption that I'm doing something illegal. Even if I were, it's not up to me to prove it. Constant, uninterrupted surveillance seems to suggest just that. Why else would open access to my life necessary for any third-party?

Not to mention, having my information openly available just invites all sorts of risk that I don't want to deal with.

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brits are absolutely pathetic. i guess that's what happens when you spend centuries sucking royal cock.

It's not that I have nothing to hide; I simply have no need to share.

If there was a good verbal counter argument to this Great Britain would not have criminalized encryption. You have to fight for your freedoms.

Generally the "nothing to hide" argument is specifically "i do not commit crimes".
So, a good counter to it is "You don't have anything to hide from the government, but if you don't protect yourself, they will have to, and they will have to spend billions to protect your ass instead of hunting criminals."

How are you gonna overthrow a government with virtually unlimited funds to spend on tanks, warships and drones?

Yeah

Being able to be free in your own goddamn mind and not having to follow the party line every waking moment of your existence is something to value.

Losing privacy is PERMANENTLY losing the ability for individuals to organize and oppose tyrannical authority.

This isn't a political issue, it's an "are we cool with a 1984-esque bad end for our species as a whole forever" issue.

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wired.com/2013/06/why-i-have-nothing-to-hide-is-the-wrong-way-to-think-about-surveillance/

Protecting your privacy is more of a hobby now, instead of a right. I'm a nobody so my data isn't that sensitive if millions of others are giving their data away as well, but I would still try to hide my info from smaller parties so it wouldn't be as noticeable. Take for example the Equifax breach, literally everyone in the US is affected yet the chances of someone compromising your info is very low due to the large amount of data they need to sift through, if a startup company that i registered in got breached I would be worried.
While its fun to encrypt your drives and have hardware keys, it's not really needed realistically.

Yes, you do have something to hide, you might not realize it, but a smartphone has enough capabilities to know what you're doing at any given time of day. Now, would you like some corporate assholes logging your whole life, basically setting up a program that can predict your every move, which then gets leaked to the whole world? Next thing you know, someone robbed you while you were away, using the program.

>and remove the locks from your house and car

please report yourself to authorities

>ITT: People who don't understand the implications of mass surveillance and strawmans their thought towards personal/targeted surveillance

Is it pleb season?

Almost. It's getting pretty hot outside.

Jesus, winter lasted so long I didn't even realize it was almost summer

None of the bill of rights or later amendments were written to protect you when times are good. But just because you don't need something when times are good, doesn't mean you should prepare and protect yourself from things going bad. How often do you actually need to wash your hands, there isn't a plague. Do we really need to vaccinate, when is the last time someone died of polio? Why should I wear my seat belt, I've never been a wreck. We take preventative measures before something bad happens. Just like any right, you need to protect it while things are good, because if you let it slack and things go bad, it's too late to fix it.

I've been here for a few years; are summerfags really that noticeable? I always see a lot of stupid shit on Jow Forums regardless of season.

There's shitposting all year but it gets far worse during summer

And you don't fuck their shit up why?

Well I do have something to hide my proprietary work and ideas that I don't want stolen from me. I guess if all I ever did was just play video games and watch porn then yeah I would have nothing to hide but since I'm doing really sensitive easily stolen work then yeah you can go fuck yourself op is a normie confirmed. I use Windows and Everytime I'm creatingsomething sensitive I have to think "is this all just being sent to Microsoft so they steal or sell my shit?". Really puts me on edge desu.

I find for the most part threads are about the same. It's just the replies become a total shitfest full of nonsense and people replying to obvious bait to try and come up with some kind of quirky for "include me in the screencap". Also a lot more people thinking gets mean anything.

The standards of justice and acceptable behavior now may not be the same in the future. While retroactive law usually isn't an issue, public opinion is retroactive all the time. Articles about how "that guy you liked said this in 2006" end up taking down that person. But at the time, it was a risky but accepted joke.

The issue isn't the recording itself, it's that the standards are constantly in flux.

Look at if from a mosquito's point of view, they can swat you dead easily, but if you're careful you can make life extremely miserable for them if they fuck with you.

You start a gang, club, cult, etc., and infiltrate political parties. It's been done countless times.

I had this debate with my roommate 2 days ago. I asked him why he has curtains in his room if he had nothing to hide. He was quiet after that

The nothing to hide argument is essentially advocacy of nonstop gay pride parades nationwide.
It gets rid of the barrier between public and private space, which means "keep it in the bedroom" ceases to exist.
This means degeneracy makes its way into the public sphere. Imagine furries on the streets, BDSM dungeons in the open, gay pride parades everywhere. So long as the degeneracy is legal, the dissolution of the barrier between private and public will completely wreck society.
It corrupts the youth because you can no longer enjoy your vice in private, so you ruin the world with it.
But, I hear you say, "obscenity isn't protected by free speech!"
Yes please, try to argue to a court that Andy Warhol's films aren't art. I'm sure they will be convinced. Obscenity laws presuppose a barrier between private and public, as if they didn't, there wouldn't be ratings for movies, no ESRB, etc. Cursing in public (which is illegal in many places) may have to be legal, so long as you make it "art" it is freedom of expression.
etc. etc. It's a slippery slope to degeneracy. Some things are best kept hidden (even if they are legal). Hence keep them hidden, including from the government.

This is the only necessary answer

Would fug

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No they don't.

they actually updated the information. Very nice, took them some time tho, i remember reading that cm was still recommended even though it didn't exist anymore.

I'm not contributing to a culture that enables fucking pedophiles. You know who you are.

There are many people who thought they had "nothing to hide", then radical governments come into power and they end up in gulags or at the end of a firing squad.
Nobody expects the "rainy day" and it always gets them. Does anyone have an actually good counter to the "better safe then sorry" argument?

"To hide" is the rights. Rights that someone jailed to win. Person who loose their rights by their hands will never be treated as a good person.

Do you have any curtains or blinds? Yes? why not take them down? what do you say? privacy? oh...

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Wrong example when 9 out of 10 Jow Forums posters in fact do

I hide my personal life because our ancestors died in the thousands to preserve this right.

Why can’t I fuck a pedophile?

I consider "Nothing to hide" argument is a sort of Anti-intellectualism. Also best way to count anti-intellectualism is to say "You ruin yourself and society cuz you choose wrong way" I cuess.

We don't but damn if we did I would rip that shit to shreds and use the parts.

Just because you have nothing to hide does not mean they don't have anything to find.

Government operated cameras, in every room including bathrooms and bedrooms.

Taking a shit? Nothing to hide, right?
Having sex? Nothing to hide right?

I heard about a citation/quotation by
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Richelieu

I have no source (I would be happy to hear...)

The text was something like this:
the cruel Richelieu said

"give me 6 lines of a letter of the honest person in the republic and I will find a reason to hang him"

If information is valuable to companies who want to mine it, then they should trade for it - not forcibly take it or write a rule into tiny subtext on a terms of service

We haven't hanged the advertisers yet, so I do have quite a bit to hide. So do you, unless you're retarded.

Is it possible to hide your location from your sim card provider?

I like this one

As long as humans are in charge, anything you "don't have to hide" may be misused against you. I'll be fine with sharing everything I am to a soulless machine that acts on a known and defined algorithm that computes probability of me committing a crime and stores nothing. I'm not fine with giving a single zero bit of a picture of my shit to a KGB cunt who will share it with all their department and my boss who may also be a KGB cunt.

1984.

#rekt

Yes, keep your phone in your Mom's basement and connect to it over VoIP. The latency will be minimal since you already live there.

Only more proof half this board is pajeet shills

BS

Humans all still make mistakes so we need privacy to hide them from the world.
One day we will all be perfect and then we truly have nothing to hide.

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Everyone has something to hide.

Saying you don't need privacy because you have nothing to hide, is like saying you dont need freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.

No government or company should have the power to spy on their users. Exceptions are given for legal warrants, but you must do all you can to fight for your independence and freedom of thought.

A lot of people don't care about their freedom, but that doesn't make it right for an entity to keep track of you for suspicious and oftentimes illicit/commercial purposes.

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If anyone can say they can know what's in your PC/email/etc then what they say, true or false, is going to be believed. If you can't exclude unwanted access to your private stuff then others can make allegations and you'll have difficulty contesting them.

In aussie government, the question was asked about privacy to someone who was advocating if he has nothing to hide, why should he need privacy? The response was another question: Would you like to know what sexual position your daughter prefers? Some things are best unknown..

I forgot who said it but someone who's outspoken against this privacy breach thing would reply to those who use the "hurr nothing to hide nothing to fear" argument with "then let me have your email password" with predictable results. That's probably my favorite.

>being this much of a cuck

why not just invite the entire Senate into your anus, user

uh
No they dont?

t. britbong

The nothing to hide argument is made by people who won't let you watch them fuck their wives (heh, probably also their kids and uncles and aunts and animals and everyone they abduct from streets, why don't they let us see all?!). Also not enter PIN codes & passwords or fill out their tax returns or job applications or what business deals they're doing or what they are shopping & where.

They only want to watch you, or at least have the option to, for power & control reasons.

You don't have to make things up

because the government is a mafia syndicate that cannot be trusted to equally enforce the law whatever privacy violations they enact even if it didn't matter to me

that webm creeps me the fuck out

It doesn't need any counter arguement because it's such a vague and vapid statement

Yes. It's not us who decide whether we have something to hide, as that something can be interpreted and conjured by the government itself until it becomes late for us to react.

Yes, but only social welfare homes

>Does anyone have an actually good counter to the “nothing to hide” argument?
"well then give me your CC and CVV"
Or any other password or sensitive info

Easy

Just ask if they want to unlock their phone and hand it to you.

What is "nothing to hide" right now could perfectly be something to hide in the future.
What is perfectly reasonable and normal right now may be considered degenerate, shameful or outright illegal in the future.

If you start hiding when something changes is an admission you have something to hide.
If you always want privacy, the moment you really need it it won't be suspicious, it will be just normal.

look at the corner, there is one

This, it's your goddamn universal right (nr 12). If you do not live in sharialand.
>inb4 muh constitution

Best one coming through.

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she is clearly 18 user

you have nothing to hide until they change the rules again.

they already have google and amazon listening to your homes. facebook recording private messenger, and a gov tracking device in your pocket, sure nothing to hide? then why the fuck are they looking at us so hard?

In the US at least depending on where you live you fall under the jurisdiction of 24,000 to 30,000 laws ranging from federal to state to county to town. Many of them are contradictory and the act of not breaking one breaks another. Simply put, you are always breaking a law, and if they want to arrest you for something, they will find a way to legally arrest you. If they can spy on you they can see you eating ice cream in a tub with feet on a sunday. If they can't spy on you, you make it one step harder and they're more likely to go after an easier target.

We all have something to hide, and by staying as secure as you can, even if you're not secure, you inconvenience the people ruling over you enough that they'll just pass you over because it's not worth the effort.